To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
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Originally Posted by 1waterboy1
Brian,
I also agree with you about Open Vee and Open Vee Light....it just does not seem like there is enough of a push to make it happen.As Bruce said, I dont think that the sanctioning
bodies have the desire to develop, implement and enforce a complex set of technical rules to address the multitude of hull and engine configurations that are currently racing in the P-Classes.I guess the bracket format is here to stay.
I also agree with you about Open Vee and Open Vee Light....it just does not seem like there is enough of a push to make it happen.As Bruce said, I dont think that the sanctioning
bodies have the desire to develop, implement and enforce a complex set of technical rules to address the multitude of hull and engine configurations that are currently racing in the P-Classes.I guess the bracket format is here to stay.
Some folks don't like being governed by a GPS, and that's where an elaborate tech process is necessary. An eloborate tech process also allows for "creative interpretation" of rules, protests, appeals, and good-ole-boy syndrome to set in. These issues are like parasites that suck the blood from our sport. GPS may not be perfect, but it's fair (all race teams face the same inaccuracies), and most of all, it's a CHEAP way to level classes. This might allow the sanctioning bodies to chase after bigger, better race sites and sponsors, and not have to deal with the bickering between race teams.
Back to Basics... just throwing ideas out there.
Brian
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Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF
Brian,
I like what you are saying. However that that would leave many smaller, slower P-5s on the trailer.
What I was actually saying in my post, was to bump up the bigger faster P-5 Single Vs (and twins under 28 feet), to P-4 max 80 mph. And then move all your existing P-4s up to P-3 with a 80 mph max, P-3s up to P-2 with 90 mph max, P-2s up to P-1 with 100 mph max and P-X over 100mph.
I like what you are saying. However that that would leave many smaller, slower P-5s on the trailer.
What I was actually saying in my post, was to bump up the bigger faster P-5 Single Vs (and twins under 28 feet), to P-4 max 80 mph. And then move all your existing P-4s up to P-3 with a 80 mph max, P-3s up to P-2 with 90 mph max, P-2s up to P-1 with 100 mph max and P-X over 100mph.
Your example above puts P4 and P3 both at 80mph max. So if I change my numbers (and OSO handle, and uniforms, and email address, business cards, yada yada) to P3-33 (chit, that one's taken), you and I will still be running neck and neck.
Brian
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I agree, we cant make everyone happy. And some boats may be left on the trailers. However, others may come on board to replace them.
I would like nothing more than to beef up my power to run 80 plus. I Have no problem with that. As long as I was running against boats of similar size and power.
I dont know if we were ever running neck and neck in the past. But rest assured, we would be, if the rules were changed I look forward to it.
I would like nothing more than to beef up my power to run 80 plus. I Have no problem with that. As long as I was running against boats of similar size and power.
I dont know if we were ever running neck and neck in the past. But rest assured, we would be, if the rules were changed I look forward to it.
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Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF
I agree, we cant make everyone happy. And some boats may be left on the trailers. However, others may come on board to replace them.
Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF
I would like nothing more than to beef up my power to run 80 plus. I Have no problem with that. As long as I was running against boats of similar size and power.
My point is, there are so many different sizes of boats out there that teams want to race, and to group them by length only divides the classes further. It's a team's choice whether they want their advantage to be in the rough or on flat water. Top speed is just that, top speed. Exceed it and you're done for the day.
Originally Posted by BRUCE SEROFF
I dont know if we were ever running neck and neck in the past. But rest assured, we would be, if the rules were changed I look forward to it.
Cheers,
Brian
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Originally Posted by p4-33
I don't think I've had the pleasure of running with you on the race course. Maybe we'll get that chance sometime soon.
Cheers,
Brian
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Guys
Benperfected(sprague) has been suggesting somthing very similar as far as old a and b classes, use prop pitch gear and max rpm with limiter. What I want to add to it is a competition director for each class. That person is responsible for making the racing close. Add some rpm to some take away a little from others, to make the racing competitive. You will have to find someone with integrity and all the racers in the class trust.
Mike Sadlon
Benperfected(sprague) has been suggesting somthing very similar as far as old a and b classes, use prop pitch gear and max rpm with limiter. What I want to add to it is a competition director for each class. That person is responsible for making the racing close. Add some rpm to some take away a little from others, to make the racing competitive. You will have to find someone with integrity and all the racers in the class trust.
Mike Sadlon
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
Build boats for classes not classes for boats.
In other words, cut the class count in half.
OPA= 6 classes
OSS= 4 classes
SBI and APBA= too many classes
In other words, cut the class count in half.
OPA= 6 classes
OSS= 4 classes
SBI and APBA= too many classes
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Originally Posted by d-hlaw
Just go back to A and B class with similar motor restrictions.......
That's the beauty of P-classes, the rules (and tech inspection) are simple. Go too fast and you get DQ'd. How much more parity do you need? Consolidating P-classes into single and twin classes would make for a LARGE competitive field.
Cheers,
Brian
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I think you could bring back A & B class with the existing boats that are out there. A could be single engine V's and B could be twin engine V's all open cockpit. With all the canopied classes having Mercury or GM motor packages for its Super V classes and Cat Lite classes.
Here is an idea.
SuperCat = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered **
SuperCat Outboard = Canopied twin Mercury Outboard, existing Stock class boats
Super V = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
Pro V = Canopied single Merc525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
V Twin = Open cockpit twin engine V bottom
V Single = Open cockpit single engine V bottom
**= mandatory dry exhaust for these classes!!!!!!!
The V Twin & Single classes can easily compromise 75-80% of the P-class boats that are out there. These classes are motors built or bought from other vendors then the spec class suppliers. The spec class suppliers could still participate in these classes as well as long as there engine meets the spec of these classes. I think this could bring back A & B classes and combine them with F1 & F2 without having two more additional classes.
With the money that most P class racers have spent over the years they could have been racing a Super Series boat. If for some reason a class has no participation or light participation for two years the sanctioning body has the right to drop this class as long as the participants all have been well informed of this upcoming action.
Some may say why I think Supercat today should be dropped is very simple. The guys that spend the $$s in that class can afford to run the 525/vortec and by doing this it makes it more competitive and not a who has the most $$$s to spend scenario.
Just an an idea with a little opinion added and would like to see some constructive criticism on this topic.
Here is an idea.
SuperCat = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered **
SuperCat Outboard = Canopied twin Mercury Outboard, existing Stock class boats
Super V = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
Pro V = Canopied single Merc525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
V Twin = Open cockpit twin engine V bottom
V Single = Open cockpit single engine V bottom
**= mandatory dry exhaust for these classes!!!!!!!
The V Twin & Single classes can easily compromise 75-80% of the P-class boats that are out there. These classes are motors built or bought from other vendors then the spec class suppliers. The spec class suppliers could still participate in these classes as well as long as there engine meets the spec of these classes. I think this could bring back A & B classes and combine them with F1 & F2 without having two more additional classes.
With the money that most P class racers have spent over the years they could have been racing a Super Series boat. If for some reason a class has no participation or light participation for two years the sanctioning body has the right to drop this class as long as the participants all have been well informed of this upcoming action.
Some may say why I think Supercat today should be dropped is very simple. The guys that spend the $$s in that class can afford to run the 525/vortec and by doing this it makes it more competitive and not a who has the most $$$s to spend scenario.
Just an an idea with a little opinion added and would like to see some constructive criticism on this topic.