Nordic Rage, Born Again!
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Bill,
I don't have any history on it other than it was originally labbed by a local shop. I had a couple of nicks fixed and thats when I had him measure the pitch. RPM was right around 5800 and you are correct, Bravo 1.
It sounds like your Rage measures 5.5" aswell?
Jon
I don't have any history on it other than it was originally labbed by a local shop. I had a couple of nicks fixed and thats when I had him measure the pitch. RPM was right around 5800 and you are correct, Bravo 1.
It sounds like your Rage measures 5.5" aswell?
Jon
Very interesting. I hit 84mph @5800 rpm as well but with a labbed Bravo1 28P. It had been further modified to gain an additional 200 rpm since at the time I was running less HP and 5300 rpm. Of course I did not do that at 5000 ft elevation and it was a winter run as well. Sounds like you are going to need a bigger prop when you get it all figured out.
What are you hearing as to the benefits of a nose cone on a Bravo X drive at these speeds?
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Steve,
That is good advice, thanks for sharing. I was just starting to think of the flexibility a -2 could offer. The nose cone seems like a good alternative, but I would really like to try an Imco. I think it would come with greater benefits.
You are right, they are expensive and I don't want to buy it twice. I'll check around for more info and see if I'm lucky enough to come across one to borrow. With the merc pressure valve installed I should be all set to bolt one on.
I will let you know where I end up. Knowledge is king!
Thanks,
Jon
That is good advice, thanks for sharing. I was just starting to think of the flexibility a -2 could offer. The nose cone seems like a good alternative, but I would really like to try an Imco. I think it would come with greater benefits.
You are right, they are expensive and I don't want to buy it twice. I'll check around for more info and see if I'm lucky enough to come across one to borrow. With the merc pressure valve installed I should be all set to bolt one on.
I will let you know where I end up. Knowledge is king!
Thanks,
Jon
RBTNT provided very interesting insight on what speed the nose cone actually begins to improve things (on a particular installation) RE: "A friend had a twin engine cat with Bravos and nose cones. While he was getting one of the drives repaired he used a Bravo without a nose cone. Starting at ~85 mph the side without the nose cone started slipping more than the other side. At 90 mph there was a 300- 400 rpm difference between the two to keep the boat running straight."
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Hey Steve,
I found a willing soul with a -1 IMCO! The temps are dropping fast here in Utah, but I cant pass up the opprotunity to try it. Is there any special setup when installing a -1 IMCO on an XR upper? I have mated bravo lowers to bravo uppers and understand the orings and seals. I was just wondering if anything needed to be measured or if shimming was involved? Also, will I be able to run with out a bolt on cavitation plate?
Thanks for any advice you might have!
Jon
I found a willing soul with a -1 IMCO! The temps are dropping fast here in Utah, but I cant pass up the opprotunity to try it. Is there any special setup when installing a -1 IMCO on an XR upper? I have mated bravo lowers to bravo uppers and understand the orings and seals. I was just wondering if anything needed to be measured or if shimming was involved? Also, will I be able to run with out a bolt on cavitation plate?
Thanks for any advice you might have!
Jon
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Hey Steve,
I found a willing soul with a -1 IMCO! The temps are dropping fast here in Utah, but I cant pass up the opprotunity to try it. Is there any special setup when installing a -1 IMCO on an XR upper? I have mated bravo lowers to bravo uppers and understand the orings and seals. I was just wondering if anything needed to be measured or if shimming was involved? Also, will I be able to run with out a bolt on cavitation plate?
Thanks for any advice you might have!
Jon
I found a willing soul with a -1 IMCO! The temps are dropping fast here in Utah, but I cant pass up the opprotunity to try it. Is there any special setup when installing a -1 IMCO on an XR upper? I have mated bravo lowers to bravo uppers and understand the orings and seals. I was just wondering if anything needed to be measured or if shimming was involved? Also, will I be able to run with out a bolt on cavitation plate?
Thanks for any advice you might have!
Jon
Congrats on finding a -1" to test. It's just like swapping a standard Bravo lower. You may lose a little holeshot without the cav plate, but I don't think it will affect your high speed handling. Your handling and speed should both improve.
The only oddball thing to watch out for is a dramatic increase in water pressure. Keep an eye on it. If it goes over 30/35PSI, I wouldn't run it any faster. The LWP on the IMCO rams a lot of water at high speed. I've seen it push head gaskets and/or break water pump housings. We get around it by additional water reliefs on the motor, and adding the Mercury blowoff valve, which is supposed to open at 30PSI, but I have seen them vary some.
Good luck with the testing!
Best Regards,
Steve
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Thanks Steve!
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
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Thanks Steve!
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
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Thanks Steve!
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
I have a Merc blow off valve installed, so hopefully that will keep the pressure in check. Thanks for bringing it up though, I'll keep an eye on it.
The -1 turned out to be a -2 with a spacer. I wonder if it would be worth trying it both ways? I'm shooting for sometime next week or Sat at the latest. I will let you know what I find!
Jon
This gives you a good opportunity to find the perfect propeller depth. I would try both -1 and -2. Then when you place your order with Imco, you'll know you nailed it .................
When you run shorter/shallower prop depth, you may be able to turn a larger pitch prop. Take some extra props for testing too. Since we don't have much data base on modified XD/PD Rages, this should be interesting information, particularly for our Rage owners.
Good luck, be careful testing (your boat may handle differently), and let us know how it goes.
Best Regards,
Steve
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I would try it at both -1 and -2 in that order. I also agree with Steve about bringing along a bigger pitch prop to test with the shorter lowers. Try throwing the whole slip thing out the window, and concentrating on pure speed and boat handeling. The boat will definately handle differently with the shorter lowers.
What a great test opportunity,
Chris
What a great test opportunity,
Chris