New AT 37 owner....need alittle help
06-24-2013, 10:25 PM
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New AT 37 owner....need alittle help
So i bought the red gray and yellow 08 37 AT w 525s that was posted on here. i have run it two weekends in the Put in Bay area and a whole week at lake Norris Tenn. My first question is does anyone know the best RPM to run at for best fuel consumption.i dont have the smart craft screen on the dash. 2cd question does any body else have a gas tank shaped like an upside down triangle? seems like after half a tank it drops to E real fast. is that normal? i personally think 82 gallon tanks are to small for the 525s. i am filling up every weekend it seems like. 3rd question Are the 32p 4 blade props the best for that boat? Is it worth having the props labbed? it seems like i am having trouble getting it to spin 5200 rpm? maybe im not trimming it out far enough? i also have not been real comfortable leaving it pinned at WOT for long periods of time considering i just bought it and i don't wanna break it just yet. so its possible i just need to trim it out farther and keep it pinned alittle longer? I have honestly only seen 78 to 80 mph and the previous owner said the best he ever saw was 83. but all these guys on here say mid 80s to 90 w 525s. i am interested in getting more out of it so Any info or things to watch out for or pay attention to? i would like any advise or tips from the AT crowd. All in all i do love this boat. great looks, great power, AC and great amenities. nice and deep so it feels safe and i was out in some snotty lake erie 4-6 ft waves this week and it handles great. One last thing. where is the first place to start if the refrigerator comes on but does not get cold? any and all info appreciated.
06-25-2013, 07:29 AM
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Damn that's a lot of questions! First off, congrats on the boat! I'll try to help out, but as a new owner myself, I won't have ALL the info. I have seen about 81 out of mine, trimmed to 4. I have been told that neutral position give the best performance. I was really only expecting 80-82 out of the boat in fresh water...figured salt water adds 2-3 mph...the only 37 with 525s that has run 90 was Stealin' Thunder, but that was with Herrings on it. The biggest problem I have with the boat is the fuel capacity...its about the same as my 35 Fountain...and the AT is a LOT more boat. That said, with all the good things about the boat, stopping for gas more often doesn't really harsh my buzz too much.
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06-25-2013, 07:30 AM
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Congrats on the new boat! I always love seeing it in Grand Haven. From what I have read around 4k is best for cruise speed and fuel efficiency. 160 gal won't last twin 525s long if your in the throttles much. I have no clue about props on a 37. As for speed...I think to see 90 conditions would have to be near perfect, light load and in salt water...but I could be wrong.
06-25-2013, 09:53 AM
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All boats with belly tanks are triangle shaped. If it get's below a 1/2 tank, you need to be heading for the trailer or a gas dock.
You do NOT need to trim the boat out to go fast. I suggest marking exact neutral on your indicators as you have someone help you with a straight edge off the transom. Remember, a step bottom boat gives you natural "trim" as the attack angle points the nose of the boat upward due to the step. Depending on water conditions you might get a couple more MPH out of it by raising the drives 2 ticks above neutral, but that is on flat water. You will not see the top speed of the boat unless you are in 2-3 footers and you are really running the boat. I run the tabs at neutral at all times. If you raise them all the way up, that will give you another 1/2 mph.
32 4 blades are probably your top speed props.
A set of 5 blades would be your best cruise speed props. Since it seems as though you want some range out of the boat, you might talk to Brett at BBlades as he knows how to set up props for these boats. Unless you really have some experience throttling, 5 blades can be detrimental to the life of an XR when running in consistent rough water; they have a lot of bite.
The old racer's and kilo runner's trick is to slightly over trim to get the RPM's up, and then back it back down to get the top speed (bite back).
However, take it easy until you really know the boat. We don't want any bad stories. The 525EFI is a fantastic engine. Racers leave them virtually pinned at WFO for 50-100 miles at a time; but they also have a completely different maintenance schedule & program than you do.
Not sure about your fridge, it sounds like a bad component or loss of refrigerant. Best to contact the fridge's manufacturer and run it by them. There are no "offshore or rough water rated" marine fridges and microwaves. They do break. It happens. If you strap your Sub-Zero into the back of the Bigfoot monster truck for 50 hours, it probably won't fare so well at the end of the season either.
You do NOT need to trim the boat out to go fast. I suggest marking exact neutral on your indicators as you have someone help you with a straight edge off the transom. Remember, a step bottom boat gives you natural "trim" as the attack angle points the nose of the boat upward due to the step. Depending on water conditions you might get a couple more MPH out of it by raising the drives 2 ticks above neutral, but that is on flat water. You will not see the top speed of the boat unless you are in 2-3 footers and you are really running the boat. I run the tabs at neutral at all times. If you raise them all the way up, that will give you another 1/2 mph.
32 4 blades are probably your top speed props.
A set of 5 blades would be your best cruise speed props. Since it seems as though you want some range out of the boat, you might talk to Brett at BBlades as he knows how to set up props for these boats. Unless you really have some experience throttling, 5 blades can be detrimental to the life of an XR when running in consistent rough water; they have a lot of bite.
The old racer's and kilo runner's trick is to slightly over trim to get the RPM's up, and then back it back down to get the top speed (bite back).
However, take it easy until you really know the boat. We don't want any bad stories. The 525EFI is a fantastic engine. Racers leave them virtually pinned at WFO for 50-100 miles at a time; but they also have a completely different maintenance schedule & program than you do.
Not sure about your fridge, it sounds like a bad component or loss of refrigerant. Best to contact the fridge's manufacturer and run it by them. There are no "offshore or rough water rated" marine fridges and microwaves. They do break. It happens. If you strap your Sub-Zero into the back of the Bigfoot monster truck for 50 hours, it probably won't fare so well at the end of the season either.
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Thanks guys. sounds to me that maybe i was trimming to far. the drive and tab indicators have level marks on them and i have been running them level for the most part except when hammering down, then i would trim it up farther...i havent used the tabs to much unless it pretty rough. and so far it seems like i dont go anywhere w/o a boat load of people so i havent got much time w a light load.
Another thing i find is that i need to push the starboard motor alittle harder to run the same RPM as the port motor and that being said the port motor runs outa gas first. the port motor has 6 less hours on it and after i ran out a mile from the gas dock in Lake Norris i know why the less hours. apparently i wasnt the first guy to do that.... but i actually did it somewhat on purpose. i wanted to see what the actual run outa gas point was and i figured better to do it on lake Norris instead of Lake Erie... Well E means E in that boat. So finding the right RPM to get the most range out of a tank is important to me. 4k rpm sounds about right. the boat seems like it wants to run around the 3500 to 4k rpm range w the least amount of effort. but that is based on sound and feel.
Sydwayz, What kind of maintenance schedule do you recommend? hours between oil changes,drives and motors? just wandering what others do. i change motor oil every 25 hours, drives every 50 to 75 hours. also as a side note my mechanic Jim Simmons from Simmons Marine and Race team in told me the race guys himself included are running mercury 2 stroke oil in the crank case of their race engines. sounds crazy to me but i guess its a new thing. If you know Jim or have heard of him you know he knows his **** when it comes to high performance boats.
Thanks again guys and if any one is runnin around the lake erie islands this summer i can be found on kellys island or Put in bay on most weekends. Also any info on poker runs is appreciated. i did the key west poker run last year on my buddys 42ft fountain and it was a blast minus the 18hour drive to Miami.
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Another thing i find is that i need to push the starboard motor alittle harder to run the same RPM as the port motor and that being said the port motor runs outa gas first. the port motor has 6 less hours on it and after i ran out a mile from the gas dock in Lake Norris i know why the less hours. apparently i wasnt the first guy to do that.... but i actually did it somewhat on purpose. i wanted to see what the actual run outa gas point was and i figured better to do it on lake Norris instead of Lake Erie... Well E means E in that boat. So finding the right RPM to get the most range out of a tank is important to me. 4k rpm sounds about right. the boat seems like it wants to run around the 3500 to 4k rpm range w the least amount of effort. but that is based on sound and feel.
Sydwayz, What kind of maintenance schedule do you recommend? hours between oil changes,drives and motors? just wandering what others do. i change motor oil every 25 hours, drives every 50 to 75 hours. also as a side note my mechanic Jim Simmons from Simmons Marine and Race team in told me the race guys himself included are running mercury 2 stroke oil in the crank case of their race engines. sounds crazy to me but i guess its a new thing. If you know Jim or have heard of him you know he knows his **** when it comes to high performance boats.
Thanks again guys and if any one is runnin around the lake erie islands this summer i can be found on kellys island or Put in bay on most weekends. Also any info on poker runs is appreciated. i did the key west poker run last year on my buddys 42ft fountain and it was a blast minus the 18hour drive to Miami.
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06-25-2013, 04:11 PM
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Your maintenance schedule is right on track.
Is this your first performance/twin engine boat? If so, way to do it right.
As for the lack of RPMs on one engine; it could be a couple things. Make sure the props are not dinged and or bent up. That can be done with a cursory check, but a professional is needed to be precise.
Second, I'd go over every spark plug wire and make sure it's positively locked on the plug. Any non-firing plug would give you the same condition, and cost you some fuel.
I'd also invest in a Rinda scanner if I were you; or have one to share among your boating friends with SmartCraft motors. www.rinda.com I've make a few posts on this in the past couple weeks which will come up with a search.
Next time you are out and have about 10 minutes to spare; try this with your boat.
Find a big open stretch of flat water with no one else around.
Set the drive trim at neutral and the tabs all the way up.
Set the throttles at 3500 RPM.
Then play with the trim while you watch the .decimal points on your GPS speedo. I can pretty much guarantee the fastest MPH in ticks will be with neutral trim.
Most people call a "cruise speed" between 3200 and 3500 RPM.
Is this your first performance/twin engine boat? If so, way to do it right.
As for the lack of RPMs on one engine; it could be a couple things. Make sure the props are not dinged and or bent up. That can be done with a cursory check, but a professional is needed to be precise.
Second, I'd go over every spark plug wire and make sure it's positively locked on the plug. Any non-firing plug would give you the same condition, and cost you some fuel.
I'd also invest in a Rinda scanner if I were you; or have one to share among your boating friends with SmartCraft motors. www.rinda.com I've make a few posts on this in the past couple weeks which will come up with a search.
Next time you are out and have about 10 minutes to spare; try this with your boat.
Find a big open stretch of flat water with no one else around.
Set the drive trim at neutral and the tabs all the way up.
Set the throttles at 3500 RPM.
Then play with the trim while you watch the .decimal points on your GPS speedo. I can pretty much guarantee the fastest MPH in ticks will be with neutral trim.
Most people call a "cruise speed" between 3200 and 3500 RPM.
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yeah, my last boat was a 1997 Mach 1 290 w a single 502 MPI. and before that was1987 23ft wellcraft Nova. I have been boating since i was 15 and i turn 33 in two days so i am no rookie but this is my first twin and i find it easier to maneuver and 1000 times more fun to drive. I was almost dead set to buy a fountain i even flew to florida looking at some and they were miss represented and not worth the money. i found this one and started doing some research. after some reading and talking to the previous owner i decided to go take a look and a test ride. the test ride was in 3 to 5 ft waves and i have been a happy boat owner ever since. i remembered being parked next to the blue AT w the lightning down the side at the key west poker run, and thinking it looked awesome and i didnt know anything about. Glad i learned about em so far anyway. hope she holds up and stays nice.
I need to get another set of props anyway so i have some spares but i will check em. i will also go over the plug wires. and try out what your saying w the trim. My buddy has a set of 34p 4blades what would those do if i tried them?
I thank you for the help.
I need to get another set of props anyway so i have some spares but i will check em. i will also go over the plug wires. and try out what your saying w the trim. My buddy has a set of 34p 4blades what would those do if i tried them?
I thank you for the help.
06-25-2013, 06:37 PM
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Erik,
Don't get too excited about the tachs and RPM difference. We have to use a box to convert the digital engine signal to the analog signal the somewhat antiquated Livorsi gauges will read. I hate to say they are all off. Get something to read smartcraft.
Next time you are out simply turn your head a bit and listen to the engines, bump the throttle on one up or back and listen for harmony. You don't need to stinkin' gauges......
Pat
Don't get too excited about the tachs and RPM difference. We have to use a box to convert the digital engine signal to the analog signal the somewhat antiquated Livorsi gauges will read. I hate to say they are all off. Get something to read smartcraft.
Next time you are out simply turn your head a bit and listen to the engines, bump the throttle on one up or back and listen for harmony. You don't need to stinkin' gauges......
Pat
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Thanks guys. sounds to me that maybe i was trimming to far. the drive and tab indicators have level marks on them and i have been running them level for the most part except when hammering down, then i would trim it up farther...i havent used the tabs to much unless it pretty rough. and so far it seems like i dont go anywhere w/o a boat load of people so i havent got much time w a light load.
Another thing i find is that i need to push the starboard motor alittle harder to run the same RPM as the port motor and that being said the port motor runs outa gas first. the port motor has 6 less hours on it and after i ran out a mile from the gas dock in Lake Norris i know why the less hours. apparently i wasnt the first guy to do that.... but i actually did it somewhat on purpose. i wanted to see what the actual run outa gas point was and i figured better to do it on lake Norris instead of Lake Erie... Well E means E in that boat. So finding the right RPM to get the most range out of a tank is important to me. 4k rpm sounds about right. the boat seems like it wants to run around the 3500 to 4k rpm range w the least amount of effort. but that is based on sound and feel.
Sydwayz, What kind of maintenance schedule do you recommend? hours between oil changes,drives and motors? just wandering what others do. i change motor oil every 25 hours, drives every 50 to 75 hours. also as a side note my mechanic Jim Simmons from Simmons Marine and Race team in told me the race guys himself included are running mercury 2 stroke oil in the crank case of their race engines. sounds crazy to me but i guess its a new thing. If you know Jim or have heard of him you know he knows his **** when it comes to high performance boats.
Thanks again guys and if any one is runnin around the lake erie islands this summer i can be found on kellys island or Put in bay on most weekends. Also any info on poker runs is appreciated. i did the key west poker run last year on my buddys 42ft fountain and it was a blast minus the 18hour drive to Miami.
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Another thing i find is that i need to push the starboard motor alittle harder to run the same RPM as the port motor and that being said the port motor runs outa gas first. the port motor has 6 less hours on it and after i ran out a mile from the gas dock in Lake Norris i know why the less hours. apparently i wasnt the first guy to do that.... but i actually did it somewhat on purpose. i wanted to see what the actual run outa gas point was and i figured better to do it on lake Norris instead of Lake Erie... Well E means E in that boat. So finding the right RPM to get the most range out of a tank is important to me. 4k rpm sounds about right. the boat seems like it wants to run around the 3500 to 4k rpm range w the least amount of effort. but that is based on sound and feel.
Sydwayz, What kind of maintenance schedule do you recommend? hours between oil changes,drives and motors? just wandering what others do. i change motor oil every 25 hours, drives every 50 to 75 hours. also as a side note my mechanic Jim Simmons from Simmons Marine and Race team in told me the race guys himself included are running mercury 2 stroke oil in the crank case of their race engines. sounds crazy to me but i guess its a new thing. If you know Jim or have heard of him you know he knows his **** when it comes to high performance boats.
Thanks again guys and if any one is runnin around the lake erie islands this summer i can be found on kellys island or Put in bay on most weekends. Also any info on poker runs is appreciated. i did the key west poker run last year on my buddys 42ft fountain and it was a blast minus the 18hour drive to Miami.
Newest cult member Erik
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