That's funny Jonathan because I designed the V43. If you are referring to the Draft work that Brandon did on the project, then that would be the intellectual property of Adrenlaine.

Your so informed!

Mike

Almost all the smaller custom companies that build high-end performance boats only build when money is on the table. That is because financing of custom boats on spec is almost impossible at the factory level and due to the uniqueness of every boat we build, it would be a crap shoot to build inventory without an interested buyer. That seems to prove true time and again.

The V24 actually was very competitively priced with a lot of built in features. The one was that built was just loaded in order to show off and promote the boat design.

There is nothing wrong with the V24, Adrenaline's focus has just been on the bigger boats, since they tend to carry a higher price point and enable us to build at the higher level of finish and detail that we enjoy.

As far as people losing money, Adrenaline as well as our dealers have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales due to your manipulation of the market place and rumors you ignite on the internet. You’re a real piece of work and a very unscrupulous business person. Oh yah let me guess we still owe you sales commissions, for what? Pissing almost every customer you dealt with off and being a huge liar. Or hey I'm sure we will hear this one, Mike sold my boat to me and someone else and ripped the other guy off, which is total BS.

You don't seem to understand what is and is not.
Just look at your post about selling the V24 to a “private collector".


The V-24 can still be bought since the original deal has still not finished. The current deal is still in the works and has been for almost two months now. If someone wants it they can still can get it since this deal is taking so long and the owner wants it gone now! Call me with questions 678-315-6428

Jonathan

Your original post on the topic was:

around..!?? relly nice boat!

The only V24 built was sold last month to a private collector. The molds are for sale if you know someone who will build one for you. I can help if you need...just let me know.

Jonathan

I'm sorry that you feel the need to be accepted and be important, but the fact is you have been bad press for this company since the beginning. I really hope you can get on with your life and find something else to feel important about, because all the information you have on this company and me is bad and twisted in some way.

What is funny is how much you love the boats but hate me. Just remember this Jonathan, Mediocrity attacks excellence. It always has and it always will. I designed and built the boats you love so much. So do Adrenaline an me a favor and stop mis-informing people and trying to be so important.

Mike

We are located at 300 White Rock Rd
Lincolnton GA, 30817
our phone number is 706.359.6899
web: www.adrenalinepowerboats.com the site is being updated with our current information and new content.

Thanks, Mike

I'm sure Brandon mentioned to you that I could help you with any questions on the build of the V24. He has told me about you guys. I am excited to see someone charged up about building these boats. We have actually gotten quite a few inquiries about the V24 from your country. If you guys pick up the molds I will be sure to forward all of our leeds your way. Good luck man,

Mike

Moved out one night, that is hilarious. That would have been a miracle. Ripped apart the factory? Recoup money owed to people?

Again you’re misinformed!

There is a whole lot more to that story and frankly it is none of your business.

We are at 300 White Rock Rd.
Lincolnton GA, 30817
706.359.6899

Mike

You are owed nothing!

We are hoping to run the Cougar in the next week or 2. Just buttoning up the cabin and installing the cockpit interior, ordering props etc.

It's an awesome rebuild.


Mike

Jonathan,

The only hit you took was either on the head or from that crack pipe you keep in your truck.

Mike

Glad to hear your alive and well Mike, Wish you and your company many years !:ernaehrung004:

Jon

Thanks A Lot Mike
 

THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT. YES BRANDON TOLDME ABOUT YOU AND ALL THE PROBLEMS INVOLVE IN THE SITUATION. I M JUST GETTING OUT OF A REAL STATE SITUATION LIKE YOURS. . I M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE MARKET AND IF IS A GOOD TIME TO STAR A COMPANY. BUT LET SEE, IS WHAT I LIKE TO DO AND I THINK THAT THE MARKET IS GONNA STAR TO GO UP IN ANY MOMENT. ANYWAY WHAT I WANT IS TRY TO MAKE A GOOD QUALITY BOAT WHIT SOME GOOD PARTS AN A AFFORDABLE PRICE TO GO INTO THE MARKET. LETS WAIT TO FINISH THE DEAL WHIT BRANDON WHICH IS A RELLY GOOD PERSON.
LET SEE IN WHICH WAY WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER...
WE ARE RELY INTERESTED IN RACE A V30 IN THE 500 MILLAS OF THE ORINOCO.(VENEZUELA). LET SEE WHAT IS GONNA HAPPENS... WHIT THE V24 , AT THE BEGINING WE WAS THINKING TO MAKE THE HULLS IN VENEZUELA , BUT NOW WE THINK THAT WE ARE GONNA STAR HERE IN MIAMI, ...
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MIAMI TO INTRODUCE THIS CAN OF HULL???
THANKS FOR THE SUPORT, AND FOR SURE THAT WE ARE GONNA BE TALKING SOON.
CAN I ASK YOU WHY YOU INSTALLA EXTENSION BOX ON THE V 24?? DID U TRY THE BOAT WHITOUT EXTENSION BOX??

NOPE...not even close:mad:

Yes we are a broker as well as new boat dealer.

There could be a market for the V24 here in NY,CT & NJ ..... Many of the BIG Money guys are looking for a small well made boat to compliment their poker runner without all the hassle of splashing a big machine to just go for a ride. The problem with V24 that was built was the price....GREAT BOAT ,,,, BUT A 24 FOOTER WITH A 496 FOR OVER 90K WAS NOT GOING TO FLY. Now under 60k like you mentioned .... :ernaehrung004:

thanks for the answer,yes i think the same as you a 24 for this price i hard to sale ,we need to cut some expenses9 expensive paint, state of the art steering, ) to get a good market price.
by the way i m selling my baja , if you have somebody interested ??/

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o28670-en.html

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If you keep a very streamlined build you might be able to achieve a 60K price point, the problem is you will have to sell factory direct because any dealer is going to want 20-30 percent and there just is not enough room in that size boat with a 496 sold at 60K to be profitable for a dealer and the builder. I think your best bet is to use the labor rates in Venezuala to your advantage and just export to the states, when a buyer comes up. I would also imagine that in your country some of the materials to build the frp portion of the boat would be much cheaper than here with gasoline being like 15 cents US per gallon in your country.

I could fill up a V30 over there for like $18. WOW that's insane.

The extension box on the V24 is simply an ITS unit that integrates a 7 inch set back with hydraulic steering. Theoretically it should help the boat run like it has a little more length and also allows us to run a little more drive height. I will certainly help you with the setup on your first boat. I really believe that with the same set up as the first boat and a little more work we could get 80 mph from the 496HO. Like I said I love the boats and will certainly help any way I can.

Maybe we could build the first one together here are our shop in GA. It might be a fun project and I have some fresh ideas for that boat I can pass along. We could even get Brandon to come out and do some taping on the paint job, I'm sure he would love that. Right Brandon!!!

Mike

Mike Layton is back...yay!!! Maybe we will get some of what is owed to us back....:rolleyes:

More than likely he is trying to save his name so he can start taking people's money again....having no credit and being in debt and sued can be very hard on a person during these times.

Spin the stories however you want Mike...I do not care...just payup!

Fact is Mike has tried many different ventures in the boating and construction arena and they have all failed. You will get a great family and religious speach from him, but that is the front, he will act nice and responsive to you...until he is paid, and then it is seeya sucker I am on to the next person. Do not trust him!!! Ask around and check him out.

Jonathan

A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions Proverbs 18:2

A fools lips bring him strife and his mouth invites a beating. Proverbs 18:6

A fools mouth is his undoing and his lips are a snare to his soul. Proverbs 18:7

It is to a mans honor to avoid strife but a fool is quick to quarrel. Proverbs 20:3

The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways but the folly of fools is deception. Proverbs 14:8

Here is some scripture for you Jonathan.

I said my piece. I won't continue to exchange with a fool.

Yah, I'm back. As a matter of fact I've always been here.

As I said already you are owed nothing.

A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions Proverbs 18:2

A fools lips bring him strife and his mouth invites a beating. Proverbs 18:6

A fools mouth is his undoing and his lips are a snare to his soul. Proverbs 18:7

It is to a mans honor to avoid strife but a fool is quick to quarrel. Proverbs 20:3

The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways but the folly of fools is deception. Proverbs 14:8

Here is some scripture for you Jonathan.

I said my piece. I won't continue to exchange with a fool.

This is starting to sound like an Apache thread, but heck even they built more boats than Adrenaline:eek:

I am glad you know the bible so well...can you please show me in the bible where it says to steal and cheat others?

Mike I am not the fool...you are. I am successful in life, even after getting screwed by you and your scams.

Pay up!!!

Jonathan

Funny!!!:cool-smiley-011:

A dealer is happy to sell 10-12 % over cost in this current market ...... and thats Skater, MTI , Nortech, Cigarette ... etc. A 24 V bottom custom 7-9 % .... depends if the factory wants to keep it's dealer network and cut profit so everybody makes money, not just the factory. If that boat owned by the dealer does not sell he takes the hit on the markdown NOT the factory. If it ages beyond 1 year the dealereats it or pays high interst rates on floor planning. Large factories offer dealer rebates of 5-10% to keep product moving off dealer floors.

We spoke a while back ....... WOW is all I can say :hitfan::hitfan::hitfan:

This sounds interesting...please let us know the details. I have never heard anybody defend Mike that has done business with him, so this should be good...:food-smiley-007:

I am not one to go on here and get into the BS .... sorry Jonathan.......and BTW you already know most of it.:drink:

Maybe you can refresh my memory,.........not ringing a bell at the moment.


Thanks

Jon

Very respectable....That is cool of you:ernaehrung004:

I just have got that special love for Mike...:rolleyes: The thought of him and what he has done to us and others even makes my wife curse..he is the only person ever that could make her do that. :drink:

Jonathan

Jonathan,


To this date Adrenaline nor our Attorney's which I put you in touch with over a year ago have received a breakdown or any indication from you of what you feel is owed to you.

As far as any warranty claim on your boat goes, I emailed you a warranty claim form over a year ago as well, which I never received back. If you do not still have the form, I will be glad to resend it.

Since you assert yourself to be successful you should be familair with standard business procedures for resolving disputes. State your claim and reduce it to writing. We can go from there.

If you can emial me an invoice or some breakdown that would be a great place to start.

It's actually funny that you keep saying "pay up". Pay what? I have no idication of what you want.

Mike

Bullshiat... After I got all of that stuff to you and your wannabe attorney all contact ceased...AGAIN! So stop the BS front you are putting on.:rolleyes:

can I interest anyone in some Leverage polish.....:party-smiley-004::grinser010:


c'mon guy's..get it worked out...in writing..use a mediator off line...I'll assist if need be. Jeff

No but, I will take some more Popcorn with extra butter Please:food-smiley-007:

I'm not putting on a BS face and you never delivered anything to either of my 2 attorneys. You have enjoyed personally bashing me and this company in public forums for over 2 years now, which has impacted my livlihood and ability to provide for my family as well as others that work with me.

I am simply saying stop acting like your 5 years old and show me something in writing.

This seems to be the environment in which you obviously feel comfortable airing personal issues, so let's hash it out.

The only silence that fell upon this matter is after my attorneys emial to you on May 17th 2008 when he asked you to document your claim after a long series of exchanges with him, which to this date you have not! If you have forgotten I can post the emails for you to look at.

If you claim you did, then it should be no problem, reproducing the information.

C'mon Jonathan, lets just keep it simple and isolated to you, I and Adrenaline and get it all out there for everyine to look at and comment on.

You accuse me of ripping you off and you like telling the whole world that I owe you money so give me something in writing via emial of fax.

As a matter of fact I'll start a new thread about it and you can post there.


Mike

I would love to try some:drink:

Mediator route has been tried before by another party but that is not in my right to comment on...you cannot bleed a turnip!

You are right though...this should not be hashed out here again and ruin everybody else's experience on OSO.

Jonathan

Lies, Lies...

I have sent you all of this stuff a couple of times before with no results. If you want to make this right then call me.

Jonathan

Wow.... I had really considered looking to adrenaline to purchase a 30ft with twin ilmors. but after reading this carry on in an open forum. I think i'll run somewhere else with my money.... shame.

Do disrespect,............but being your 6th post on OSO don't be surprised if the Boys start riding you hard.

Hard to give credit to comments like that cause these types usally join to stir trouble.

On Another note the Drama has nothing to do with the quality of the boat. There is another Deep V maker on here that starts with an ( A ) also and always has plenty of drama.

But they are still sought after cause the built right.
Mike builds a great boat too !


Jon

Sure, I accept that. However I am genuinely disheartened to read this exchange. I am also genuinely in the market for a new boat.
I joined the forum specifically in search of information to asses options for my next purchase. I really do Love the visual styling of the v30 and all the reviews say good things about it's performance. But I'd like to do business with a company that atleast appears to have its house in order and maintains an air of professionalism. Wether or not this is just a transient issue or a long standing ongoing problem doesn't really matter. I'd just wish to highlight this; that as a potential customer the exchange that has occurred in this thread has caused me to reconsider my options. No matter how good the product is, this thread isn't helping the effort. I should have reinforced and justified my statements in the earlier post. Apologies.

Orb.

Understood,..............but with out being personal friends with Mike or a business partner........do we really know how he stands? Is it really even any of our business?

Boating market has never been easy for any of them, and I can appreciate the effort any of them put in it trying to make it in a tough market let alone this economy.

Bottom line is lots of people run there mouths that think they know. I don't know and don't pretend to know Mikes business. I do know he builds a great product and I do hope he can survive along with all the other great builders.

Jon