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vettvet 05-10-2007 05:40 PM

41 Apache Speed
 
Hi all. I have a friend of mine looking at an 87, #3 boat with 540/650 HP motors.
The dealer is telling him the boat will run 100 MPH with this set-up. He won't believe me. Will someone please tell him how fast this boat will go with this setup.
Thanks

WesSmith 05-10-2007 06:00 PM

I have a 41 with 6's and 700+HP and I don't get close to 100 !

Other, more experienced 41 owners I'm sure will chime in but I'd say maybe 80.

lowblue320 05-10-2007 06:11 PM

I believe thats about the same setup as M.M. and so they say his boat is real light and he doesnt see 100.

people throw 100 M.P.H. when ever they talk about boats like its nothing but get a GPS and youll see its easier said then done.......

lucy 05-10-2007 06:50 PM

Right on Lowblue!:p

Originally Posted by lowblue320 (Post 2123791)
I believe thats about the same setup as M.M. and so they say his boat is real light and he doesnt see 100.

people throw 100 M.P.H. when ever they talk about boats like its nothing but get a GPS and youll see its easier said then done.......


MrCIG 05-10-2007 07:08 PM

My guess is 65 to 68

Mark

lucy 05-10-2007 07:14 PM

Joe from Buffalo Grove..... wow!! you sure get around. It is a small world after all!!!!!!

Chris Sunkin 05-10-2007 08:40 PM

Every Apache was constructed differently. Even virtually identical s/s pleasure boats can be 1500 lbs different in weight. Aside from a tiny handful, most ranged from heavy to HEAVY. It would probably take a new set of 1500's on dry sixes to push an '87 pleasure to 100mph. Fresh 650's with a light load on an average pleasure s/s will net you mid to high 60's- possibly breaking 70 if the setup was perfect.

As a point of reference, the Team Apache boat with 500ci Eickert's and 3's ran about 100mph. See it here- The second one in the video:

http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/d/37487-1/Apache_2.wmv

This is a very light layup race boat with an impeccable setup by the people who built them.

MDGperformance 05-10-2007 09:00 PM

I use to work on 1987 41 apache side by side full cabin boat,boat had Keith Hazel 572-700hp 3 speedmaster boat ran 80-82 gps,we later rebuilt engines got a little more power around 750 or so boat then went 85 or so,also use to work on 41 apache 850 cobras-6 staggered,6man,no cabin ,crash boxes it ran low 90s,i think most 41 apaches built would need at least 1000-1200hp to get 100mph

lucy 05-10-2007 09:12 PM

excellent explanation!

Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2123951)
Every Apache was constructed differently. Even virtually identical s/s pleasure boats can be 1500 lbs different in weight. Aside from a tiny handful, most ranged from heavy to HEAVY. It would probably take a new set of 1500's on dry sixes to push an '87 pleasure to 100mph. Fresh 650's with a light load on an average pleasure s/s will net you mid to high 60's- possibly breaking 70 if the setup was perfect.

As a point of reference, the Team Apache boat with 500ci Eickert's and 3's ran about 100mph. See it here- The second one in the video:

http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/d/37487-1/Apache_2.wmv

This is a very light layup race boat with an impeccable setup by the people who built them.


el indio 05-10-2007 09:38 PM

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1986 apache 84 mph. 250 gal. gas some in front tank 80 gal app. full m.m. gear 200 lbs.[tools parts,oil ect] 650 hsp #3 drives 1:50.... 800sc 94 mph.8600 lb. boat.does that cover it?

Chris Sunkin 05-11-2007 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2124037)
1986 apache 84 mph. 250 gal. gas some in front tank 80 gal app. full m.m. gear 200 lbs.[tools parts,oil ect] 650 hsp #3 drives 1:50.... 800sc 94 mph.8600 lb. boat.does that cover it?

The trick here is the 8600# boat. Is there another one out there even close to that weight?

Ike 05-11-2007 07:51 AM

My last 41 "war party" full cabin, a/c with #3's the best i saw was 74.2 mph on gps, it would run 72mph normally with dyno'd 572/620's at 5000rpm and with the props i ran it would only turn 5000 rpm's. It still was a fun ride but my lastest 41 with half cabin 3a's and Dean Gellner 930's is a little more fun:D

vettvet 05-11-2007 09:50 AM

Thanks, everyone, for your replies. I knew this was the best forum to go to.

ApachePete 05-15-2007 04:28 PM

My '87 41 with full cabin, 3's, and 575's might hit 70 on a good day, lite on fuel.

Repowered with C&G 650's, and MAYBE saw 75. :eek:

To get to the magic 100 mark took a much lighter race boat with staggered 1000's and 6's, plus lots of dialing-in by Tres Martin and Lake X.

Gotta love those honest sales guys! :(

el indio 05-15-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2124249)
The trick here is the 8600# boat. Is there another one out there even close to that weight?

this one.and the team yellow boat.mercurio sold it in europe.

Jigsaw89 05-15-2007 08:40 PM

Impressive video... thanks for posting!!


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2123951)
See it here- The second one in the video:

http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/d/37487-1/Apache_2.wmv

This is a very light layup race boat with an impeccable setup by the people who built them.


cfischer 05-16-2007 07:41 AM

We have a 87' 41 with 650hps and 3s for sale at the Wharf Marina and the boat maybe goes in the lower 70s. The boats very clean and in great condition!! Anyone interested give me a call.

616-318-2066

cfischer 05-16-2007 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by speedo (Post 2129388)
how many hours on power train.

About 60hrs.

14 apache 05-16-2007 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2124037)
1986 apache 84 mph. 250 gal. gas some in front tank 80 gal app. full m.m. gear 200 lbs.[tools parts,oil ect] 650 hsp #3 drives 1:50.... 800sc 94 mph.8600 lb. boat.does that cover it?

This boat runs the same as starchaser with same power. Must be close to the same weight. Eric

14 apache 10-08-2011 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2128790)
this one.and the team yellow boat.mercurio sold it in europe.

ttt

sean stinson 10-08-2011 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by vettvet (Post 2123742)
Hi all. I have a friend of mine looking at an 87, #3 boat with 540/650 HP motors.
The dealer is telling him the boat will run 100 MPH with this set-up. He won't believe me. Will someone please tell him how fast this boat will go with this setup.
Thanks

:bsflag::bsflag::bsflag::bsflag::bsflag:
70 ish end of story the only way it will run 100 is on a trailer behind something that will pull it that fast!!!

CHEESE 10-10-2011 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2124037)
1986 apache 84 mph. 250 gal. gas some in front tank 80 gal app. full m.m. gear 200 lbs.[tools parts,oil ect] 650 hsp #3 drives 1:50.... 800sc 94 mph.8600 lb. boat.does that cover it?

.................................................. .................................................. .......I know that boat , ,,are you planning any more trips to Freeport Long Island in the near future? your Apache was one of the reasons i got hooked on Apaches!

BattleCry 10-11-2011 03:03 AM

CHEESE

Please look at the date of the post. It was over 4 years ago. Mark has since sold his Apache and moved to Wisconsin.

CHEESE 10-11-2011 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by BattleCry (Post 3524449)
CHEESE

Please look at the date of the post. It was over 4 years ago. Mark has since sold his Apache and moved to Wisconsin.

.................................................. .................................................. Wow , Thank you , i didn`t realize that the post was so old , Mark `s a cool dude , he came across to Freeport every now + then to run his Apache in the long Island waters , i remember him telling me its his old stomping ground . we will miss his visits .

sean stinson 10-11-2011 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by CHEESE (Post 3524480)
.................................................. .................................................. Wow , Thank you , i didn`t realize that the post was so old , Mark `s a cool dude , he came across to Freeport every now + then to run his Apache in the long Island waters , i remember him telling me its his old stomping ground . we will miss his visits .

You can still see him if you go to Fond du Lac


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