Tired of crap-aches!!
 

I thought that title might get some attention! Here's the deal, I've wanted an Apache since I saw my first offshore race back in the early 90's. No contest...the coolest boat ever built. Sadly, I had just purchased an 89 Fountain ICBM at the time, whatever....

OK, now it's like 17 years later, and I still have the same Fountain, which I think must be some kind of record. But finally I have the go-ahead from the wife and the banker to get the one boat I should have had long ago!

After my preliminary research, my choices seem to be; race boat or crap-ache. The 3 or 6 manbolster set up is way cool, but since my kids combined ages is less than 9, that won't fly. Plus I pack more than 200 pounds, so forget those fancy thin-guy bolsters. So what's left.....not much. The rest of the Apaches seem like they drove through a war......on land.....without their trailers. I recently flew 4 hours to check out a potential buy. What I saw was painful. I actually felt bad for the boat. There was nothing positive for me to discuss. I checked out a couple others locally, with the same results. Now...I am sad.

OK, I know lots of you have immaculate boats, but you're not selling them. I don't blame you, I wouldn't either. But, somewhere out there is the boat for me, I just need someone to point it out.

WHO HAS AN APACHE THAT NEED A GOOD HOME?!?

P.S. Anyone need a perfect looking old Fountain?

The boat at Shogren seems to be pretty nice and just had a big price drop. Low Profile is a nice boat as is Kageman which might still be for sale. If you want to step up a bit, Lynch Mob is an absolute steal- you couldn't assemble a 41 in that fashion for twice what he's asking.

I've seen one semi-rough 41 on the market this year. The rest have been ranging from nice to flawless.

That's the Shogren boat. Was $119K, dropped earlier this week to $99K.

I don't know that you could buy a '90 Topgun with 800's on 3's for a hundred grand.

Your kidding right? I mean what is your price range? There are a few nice ones out there right now. Also what size you looking for?

I checked out the boat at Shogren. Real nice hull and motors, but kinda goes downhill from there. I saw a lot of things in that boat that made me concerned. I'm no Apache expert, though, so I make no assumptions, but it did have more cracks than a retired plumbers convention.

Lynch Mob is awesome!! Hopefully it comes with a divorce attorney, because I'll be needing one if I buy that boat. I need an interior and a rear bench. Sad, but true.

Haven't seen the other two boats, though. Any pictures for reference?

All things considered, I suppose I'd prefer a 41, although 45's and 47's are OK too.

My banker suggests I try to stay under $150, but for thr right boat, we can beat a few more pennies out of him.

As Mr. Montana stated, there are options out there you just have to be patient and on top of the market. The "Chief" just sold and to me that was one of the best bargains around plus it was a pleasure version 41' (I was kicking myself that I couldn't get it).

Don't be scared by asking prices they usually come down quickly and with your budget there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be able to find a kick a** wave crusher.

If you are up to a challenge many of the Crap Ache's could be overhauled and made your own as well.

Good luck shopping and when you find your boat you will agree that it was worth the wait!!

There's only a couple barriers to the 45. The first is pulling it. It's not going anywhere with a pickup truck- at least not sanely. Second is it's not going to be real easy to trailer it to the launch ramp. I'd have to have it in a rack. In my area, there aren't 45' racks. If you can get past those two things, it's a no-brainer. If you need a cabin, then it's not the boat for you. I've been there. :(

I'm surprised to hear that about the boat at Shogren. The only places I've seen pleasure Apache's crack is the divider between the cabin and the forward v-berth. The dashes will get spidering around the corners where the gauge pods are but that's cosmetic. Is it cracked worse than that?

You may want to PM board member Wes Smith. His boat Kageman is a beauty. Big motors and S/S #6's. It was for sale, then disappeared. I hadn't heard that it changed hands- maybe he's waiting out the market.

Low Profile is in the classifieds.

If only I had your problems.:rolleyes: Good luck with the search.

Hey Baywatch-man, thanks for the encouragement. Sadly, between work and family, time is short, so a resto isn't in the cards. Lookin foward to crushing a few waves next summer. Thanks

Chris - Thanks for the info on the 45's. Guess I'll stick with the 41's, which is not a bad thing.

I don't like to trash anyone else's boat, but the Shogren has quite a bit more than the normal wear you described. In the rear vent area, the boat cracked between the vent opening and the rub-rail, and actually shifted, which really looks not-so-good. This seemed to happen to a lesser degree in several other places. There are also some minor spiders here and there under the ferring, and some where someone played dock tag, plus in the other places you described. Some of the upholstery is new, and doesn't match the older stuff. The interior scores about a B-.

I'm going to check on those other suggestions. Thanks

I shopped for 3 years before I found mine but my criteria was even more specific than yours and to make matters worse my wife wanted a 36' Baja.

Thankfully things turned out for the best and everytime we use our boat my wife comments on how glad she is that we've got an Apache.

check w/ wes smith... good idea chris.

Between the info from you guys and the PM's I've been getting, the group thought seems to be that Wes has "the boat". That's cool. Anyone know what the boat looks like?

Kageman-
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...hlight=kageman

See them all-
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...hlight=kageman

Wasn't Ghost Runner on the market not long ago?

I'd check out Low Profile too.

Buy Wes's it has #6's, which is what you'll want for a heavy 41 pleasure. It's turn key and in very nice shape.

As a serious buyer, you may wish to schedule an appointment and come to Buffalo, NY and inspect:

41'APACHE ULTIMATE WARRIOR

- and personally inspect 2 other 41's while here.

Please know, New Cockpits are fitted to your size and desired configuration.

What ever you want, you can have.

Hire some help with your search for quality:

1. Your personal Inspection- bring an experienced Apache Owner with you.
2. Fly in experienced High Performance Surveyor
3. Builder/Factory Survey/comments
4. Mark Adams @ Marine Management

Tony Ferrentino
716-867-1242
Buffalo, NY

Hey Steve,

with hopes you and Alle Vite doing well.

Are there any shots of Kageman full cabin ?

Thanks for the link, Chris. I'll check with Wes ASAP.

Steve's right, buy one with 6's!!!

Tony - I dig the Ulimate Warrior, but, I'm gonna need that divorce attorney again. I need to stay away from the 6-man bolster and the half or no cabins. What do you know about those other 2 boats?

Boat was just surveyed by a SAMS surveyor and came back nice and clean !

The boat is immaculate, always stored indoors and is just what you're looking for.

PM me and we'll talk !!

Did you look at this one. http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...-o8833-en.html I know the boat was owned by a guy in Laconia, NH and was well taken care of and never raced. I don't know the price and seems under powered, but when they blow, you could do something really nice. If your looking for something bigger with more power, Lynch Mobs boat looks to be the best deal.

Lynch Mob - good
Divorce - Bad

I kinda dig the blue and yellow. Nice change from the red boat I've had forever....

It's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be....my 41 has been towed for years by a dually with no problems. Like any boat, if you spend your money wisely on preventative maintenance, it will pay off big time in the end.

Many of those " big " items mentioned, you'd need for a 42 Outerlimits or 42 Tiger as well IMHO.

hey mark, sounds like your pushing the CC OB ideas again.
new, inexpensive and low maint. ;)

wes' boat was a fresh water boat before it came to LI...
wes, how many hours since you got it?

....probably 70 - 75.

Thanks for trying to scare the crap out of me. Fortunately, I already got the dually, and the storage covered. As far as fuel, I'll just have to cut into my cocktail money. Plus, I can still sell my Kidneys or the house for a motor if need be.

Well get the 45 and don't worry about the wife she will get over it! 2nd choice look at Wes Smiths 41. Third choice this one http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o16407-en.html

4th choice stop dreaming of a perfect Apache for 150 or less;)

This would be my choice...:cool:

David

Maui9
 

I would prefer you make comments about boats you see in person not necesarily pictures as there is sometimes distortion. There are no major cracks and believe it or not even Apaches have super ficial not strcutural stress cracks from time to time. Remeber, this is a UN-MOLESTED 18 year old "performance" boat.

The boat ia have is a VERY clean, VERY nice, UN-MOLESTED freshwater Apache.

I sold the 41 Kageman and know alot about the boat. The boat belonged to my brother in law before I sold it.

At 99K the boat is a great deal. The motors were 40K alone and are new with exception of a few dressings, NOT rebuilds.

Regards,

Scott Shogren

847-336-9037

www.chicagofountain.com

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The issues on Apache ownership are pretty much true. It's a boat for a hard-core powerboater who likes to go out when the water is coming over the breakwall. If I wanted a 40' bass boat, I'd own a Fountain. The Apache takes alot more power. Going 80 in a new Topgun is a piece of cake- bravos and motors that run on 89 octane. 80 in a 41 takes some balls and 3's just aren't going to live a long and happy life with the 850hp that it takes to move that fast- not to mention that the 3's are obsolete and parts are drying up.

If you are seriously looking at a full-pleasure Apache, Kageman is about as nice as you're going to get. You couldn't build it for the price you could buy it for- not even close. If you buy a really nice #3 boat, toss a couple grand a month into a coffee can. You'll either need it to fix the drives or if you can hold out, you can do a #6 upgrade. Either way, it will cost you way more than buying a #6 boat right from the start.

As far as the Shogren boat- if you could buy it a little more "right" you could have a #6 conversion done, paint it exactly how you liked and have $$ left over to have the cockpit redone, all staying in your $150K range. Then you'd have exactly what you wanted. I don't know what you saw on the boat or how you saw it and that's not important. I'll tell you this- Apaches are so over-built it's not funny. There's a good reason they're called "resin buckets". The only one's I've ever seen damaged were the result of traileing incidents. There are some upsides to a project so I wouldn't completely dismiss it.

Let me put it this way- If I could bail from my current 41 project without getting hurt too bad (not conceivable) Kageman wouldn't be for sale.

We did get her for a bargin as far as we're concerned....well below her asking price but would have been worth every penny of her asking price! That's called being in the right place at the right time thankfully.

By the way.....like the avatar baywatch!

Ditto Wes.

We don't pull cross country so we can pull just fine with our 3/4 ton GMC diesel and have no problems. Never had an issue with any ramp as of yet. We have ours on a lift. Not going to get away with Bravo drives for certain, but our 3A's work very well. Fuel? Well, you got us on that one....but we'll pay for the extra fuel it takes for the ride and the water this boat can handle any day!

From my experience, a lot of the boats that seem to need tons of money spent on them may not have been kept up in the first place...that's just my opinion. Every boat breaks and all of these boats are expensive to fix. A 1000 HP motor in an Apache is no more expensive than one for an Outerlimits...I think many have confused the price of a total Apache restoration with what it takes to keep an already clean Apache staying clean.....my.02.

I did purchase my boat from Shogren....class operation and I would never hesitate to buy from them again. They will attest to how clean Kageman is....although I think its in even better shape now !

lets put that truck rap to sleep.............before and after.....