Its frustrating to see so many new brands outperform the master of high performance and real offshore rough sea hull, now this brand has become a vintage brand but it has so much incredible history that can be built on. Mc Manus should wake up to the this fact and build new ones up to todays standards without really getting away from their historic characteristics that made the success of Apache, look at Cigarette did. I had an Apache years ago and its frustrating to see that now the only good option left is the refit of older rigs. Don't read me wrong but, refitting is great it keeps the vintage around but the building of new competitive boats is what keeps the reputation going.

Just exactly which hulls do you think will out perform an Apache in rough seas? Which "new ones built up to todays standards " are stronger than an Apache? Could endure what an Apache can, and still hold together like an Apache?
I understand that today's twin step hulls are faster in smaller water, but that's about it.

Well just about any good hull now a days, take a cigarette or any good thottleman in 42 or larger. I ran so many of these poker runs with different types of hulls and never had problems against an Apache. I even ran an Apache twice but the outcome of the story is too sad to say so I will keep it in my coffers. In this age of power boating people don't go out in rough seas the way they did back when Apache built super heavy and "strong" boats. They go out in 3 maybe 4 feet seas anything beyond that point is deserted by any boats including Apache's, people don't want to get beat up so I never found an Apache to run against in rough water in the last 15 years unfortunately. In all cases, we don't see enough of them on the water so its too bad for Mc Manus and all of us that love them for what they are.

Any good hull nowadays will run rough water (6' plus) better than an Apache? Any good hull nowadays is built stronger than an Apache? You get beat up in 3' tp 4' seas in an Apache?
No.

I have never been in a 41 or 47 Apache but have seen the video and it's hard to beat that. Apache owners and others have stated that the Donzi 38 ZRC is a great big water boat and some of the other sit down race boats ride as well as the Apache. It has been said that a 41 even rides better than a 50 Nortech in big water witch has got me wanting to get in 1 this summer to see.

Here's where I see some of the Apache problem, they don't own the mold for the best boat they ever built. Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Saber own the mold for the 41 and it seems from what I have read the 42 is not better. The 47 is a big boat that most don't want because you need 3 big motors to hit 100 or 2 huge ones and a very light layup to do it.

I have never met Mark McManus but would have to think he is either very happy just building 1 or 2 boats a year and doing refit's and sevice work or is a total control freak and doesnt trust anyone to do the job right and that is why he isn't more like OL or Nortech, or he just doesn't have the coin to do it and won't borrow whats needed to be a bigger builder.

I must say that with the price of a lot of the 41's at or under 100k and with me living on the water it makes me want to buy one put some big power in put it out on the lift and wait til the wind is blowing and go out and flog big water.

McManus is your man if you want an authentic Apache with an APache HIN#.......I beg to differ with the gentleman that stated that most any new hull will run in the rough with an Apache.....Quick story 3 boats went out in the rough no names but one went to get a new cabin headliner one went toput in a new fridge and countertop and the Apache went to the bar for cocktails......

LOL, chit I take on 3-4's in the 28. Tons of fun. I would venture to say that it doesn't get really fun until atleast 3ft seas.

Well,only one way to find out, its not on this board, better out at sea.

Apache1
This board has some very well informed and experienced members. They don't always agree, but I have never met one that stated "just about any offshore powerboat" can run rough water better than an Apache. And "just about any offshore powerboat" is constructed stronger than an Apache. Those are Apache Powerboat's strongest points! Readily agreed to by members that don't even like Apache Powerboats. And on top of that you call yourself Apache1. Very confusing???!!!
If you feel the need to test your rough water skills against an Apache, may I recomend "Kemosabe"
If you can get by that Apache in rough seas(6' plus) then you are correct. Best of luck.
Ed

Comanche3six, Apache1 is informed and has experience with Apache's. He has won many races including championships in one very rare animal......also owns and has owned the best of the best and raced with the best..... Just so you know... You may continue...