Originally Posted by Panther (Post 2958904)

How did she sink?

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2959183)

ouch

Originally Posted by Nykamp (Post 2959100)

Hammerhead was in bad shape before she sank. I was on her in St. Tropez, it was a total shame to see what had become of SAM. The hull had been poorly repair up toward the bow,everything was very very run down, the owner hit 2 boats while I was out with him and he gave up and was pulled in by a inflatable. He was not good with crashboxes, I wasted huge money on that trip. It's one of the really rare carbon/kevlar 41's one of 5.

Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2959212)

stick around clown. see what bobby can do....you just might change camps.......estay tuned..m.m..

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 2958776)

Let me clarify something for everybody that think they know all the answers.....There is nothing wrong with Warpaths Transom presently it is as strong as ever.....

Now then.....The transom on both boats are different....broken, not broken freshly laid up, not freshly laid up....The transoms are different stop with the accusations that someone is slamming the boats the 2 phucking transoms are different.....

And I have owned boats and have a pretty extensive knowledge of Apaches for that matter don't know everything but know enough to hold a conversation!!!!!

ENOUGH PHUCKING SAID

Originally Posted by Nykamp (Post 2959432)

Sean, thats why I flew there, it was one of the best ones made. I had a hokk up to get her back here, an i was going to make her sweet agian, glad somebody took on the task. It was a shame to see the pictures of the kids laying on the deck after it sank, thats the level of care the boat had seen for years before it sank.

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 2959476)

Wasn't John Pompei over there taking care of it when it was SAM, he then came back to the US after it was sold.

Originally Posted by BattleCry (Post 2959385)

Phuckin' A Stinson. Calm the FizUck down yo. No one has even talked about the aluminum plate that was added to the inside of the transom for weight savings and durability on some race boats.

Originally Posted by BattleCry (Post 2959385)

Phuckin' A Stinson. Calm the FizUck down yo. No one has even talked about the aluminum plate that was added to the inside of the transom for weight savings and durability on some race boats.

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 2959516)

I believe you may be correct that Pompei was over there I know Tommy Chief was over there before he came back and started Chief Engines Pompei was on Running Brave I think and Tommy was on SAM

Originally Posted by c_deezy (Post 2959556)

So the guys that owned these boats, paid the engine guys to hang out over in Europe?

Originally Posted by c_deezy (Post 2959556)

So the guys that owned these boats, paid the engine guys to hang out over in Europe?

Originally Posted by c_deezy (Post 2959556)

So the guys that owned these boats, paid the engine guys to hang out over in Europe?

Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2958931)

too much water in hull....creates a real problem...glub! glub!

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2960571)

So what does it take to structurally revive a hull that's been sunk? Can you just dry it out? Or are we talking complete structural frame off restoration? Does the core survive? I had dreams of buying this boat myself, but was unsure what it would take to to structurally restore her.

Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 2960571)

So what does it take to structurally revive a hull that's been sunk? Can you just dry it out? Or are we talking complete structural frame off restoration? Does the core survive? I had dreams of buying this boat myself, but was unsure what it would take to to structurally restore her.

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2960617)

As Nykamp explains it that was a great 41 Apache, and I'm sure it can be made great again. $
I believe Tonto is constructed similar. And set up similar. That is a beautiful 41!!!!

Originally Posted by rbr2328 (Post 2960639)

Yea but TONTO is perfect. It is meticulously maintained by the most particular boat owner I have ever met. TONTO does not have any bad history and if any boat has a high value it is TONTO. TONTO is to the 41's what Kemosabe is to the 47's the Holy Grail of Apaches.

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 2960647)

Kemosabe & Tonto.......Great McManus Apache Powerboats!

Originally Posted by rbr2328 (Post 2960639)

Yea but TONTO is perfect. It is meticulously maintained by the most particular boat owner I have ever met. TONTO does not have any bad history and if any boat has a high value it is TONTO. TONTO is to the 41's what Kemosabe is to the 47's the Holy Grail of Apaches.

Originally Posted by rbr2328 (Post 2954407)

Transom?

Originally Posted by rbr2328 (Post 2960639)

Yea but TONTO is perfect. It is meticulously maintained by the most particular boat owner I have ever met. TONTO does not have any bad history and if any boat has a high value it is TONTO. TONTO is to the 41's what Kemosabe is to the 47's the Holy Grail of Apaches.

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 2960698)

it's getting a little old Ed, just saying:cool:

Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2960718)

A Short Canadian If I Remember..stored With Marc Adams...tommy O'quin Used To Bring The Boats To Bobbys To Launch...m.m...

Originally Posted by Crash-Box (Post 2960768)

Yup,

I remember Chuck & Racer "R" running WarPath
in a few Mi-ami area races, many a moons ago........

Adios............. c.b.

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 2960719)

lets not go over this again.....early Apaches have a different transom than newer ones

Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2960826)

THAT BOAT HAS HAD MANY OWNERS..HOW MANY CAN YOU NAME...CHUCK WAS CHARLIE FROM ROUGH AND TUMBLE?..ANOTHER CANADIAN...CYA..

Originally Posted by rbr2328 (Post 2960828)

I know i explained the differences earlier. That quoted post is the answer to the original question.

What about 41 decks? Is the fairing location the same on all of them? Is cockpit increased from engine and dash configuration? My mold has the long dash and 8 ft race hatches. I can increase a bunch by eliminating alot of the dash and shortening the hatches and going with a short stagger.

Were the cabins a liner or built in?

One of my favorite user friendly cockpits is Tatonka.

Originally Posted by el indio (Post 2960718)

A Short Canadian If I Remember..stored With Marc Adams...tommy O'quin Used To Bring The Boats To Bobbys To Launch...m.m...