.................................................. .................................................. ..........., Then perhaps i might fit right in ,Thats why i want my own 3 or 6 man bolster 41 Apache .

3 man is the only way to go:)

yes long dash no people in the back of you trying to hug you when you are trying to thottle it in 6 footers

cheese, i'm the lucky guy that bought them both. sold the red tempest to a guy that worked at the marina and painted the mural on the apache... it is now called the chief. that's a long time ago..........

.................................................. .....yes it was long ago , yep the Tempest was a awesome boat too , i used to ride in the back seat and i didn`t even have to hold on while flying through the air, i was surprised how stable it was in really rough seas , and your Apache was really really nice , actually i got hooked on Apaches that year right there and then ,Such a small world , heres the deal , soon i will have some money and i will be buying something nice wtihout power , but hopefully drives, and i will have $ 40 K to use for the purchase, i have my eye on 2 Skaters that i like but and searching for a Apache too .

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Seen one lately on Craigslist in FLorida under "Treasure Coast" boats for sale. I may have a 39' for sale soon in Stuart, FL Cadillac (772) 285-2266

The one on Craigslist would be 'Running Bear" known for being stolen and then parted out --- everyone it seems got to keep the parts--
Have we ever got the whole story on how that all played out?
It a 3 pack -- and from what i remember was originally rigged with lambos and 6's as a racer.
at that price it should be what most some of you on this thread are looking for....

Buyer be aware though!

Dave

last i heard it wasnt stolen, but being hidden from repo men, the parts that were sold off of it were sold before it went to repo so the insurance company, let the buyer keep them. hope this helps.

Thats the boat i went down to look at and got jerked around by the Toy Store in Ft. Lauderdale, fortunetly, Magnum Marks boat was just down the street and picked her up, worked out better:drink:

Running Bear.....

Seems even for that price 30's k

you would still be better off buying a complete boat.....

unless you had engines, drives etc...... ??

my guess..

Nice project tho.

........................................Hey Dave , what should i beware of , the papers being correct , ? i would think it might be a problem if it was stolen or reported stolen + its still on the list .

Actually i said 'be aware' -- in reference to the history of it -- and i only know what i've read about it on here -- there is a thread look it up.
I just wouldn't want anyone to fork over 30+K for a hull only to find that a month down the road they have to give to some one that has been looking for it/ liened it/ title not clear.

Seems like it could make for a great project if everything checks out cool!

Good Luck with it.


Dave

.......................................Oh yes I see , my mistake , + yes how correct you are, that circumstance , if it were to happen would be devastating,Thanks you Dave ... From Eric T

Sorry Bro Gotta call you out on this one. It is the cheapest but it most certainly is not the funnest I have been hitch hiking for four years and it sucks even with the money I have saved

Nothing in this world like big seas and your own boat to beat them up with

NK

Something about 47' would be nice!

.................................................. .................................................. .................. I looked it up , the thread is eleven pages , i read through them all. It does not make sense to me the way it all went down, the new seller i spoke with on the phone, He is the owner of the boat and the title is in his name. I could check the VIN # + see what comes up . I am thinking that the boat was really a Repo . + stripped before the bank got it , none of that other stuff makes any sense .

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How about 12-13m lbs with staggered 1350's? Might not be the fastest boat in the world but what a rush when it started to blow.

NK

agreed!

But you are one of the few Warriors that truly understand these boats!!!! So you get a pass!!!!

Sadly I understand what they cost hence I no longer own one.

See you in Key West

NK

Say money is no object.....Do you choose 2 or 3 engines & why?
Pluses & minuses for each application..
What do you think?
3Six

.................................................. ......I can tell you that if you boat in big water say over 6 footers all the time the 3 engines just have that extra push , you can feel the benefit over the 2 motors,, especially over 6 footers , say like 8 to 10 , you really want the triple package . but for me 2 engines is just fine no matter the conditions .i am just a poor man on a budget .

I believe the 3 engine configuration will add overall durability to the drivetrains by the 3rd unit soaking up some of the re-entry load, getting on plane load & just plain running hard use. Plus, as mentioned, the extra push when needed. All this & more.....for a price of course!

I have played this scenerio over in my mind alot to idle away time while grinding on my boats
Unlimited money I would go with three 1350 mercs
Balance I think 2 staggered 1350's would be a tiny bit better but the throttle repsonse would be a bunch more on the triple and than can help in the heavy water. Plus loosing an engine makes it much safer to have two left. John ran Kemosabe home on one a couple years ago at Boyne thunder. It was throwing this really wierd rooster.

I just hate three throttles in my hand but I would get used to it if I had to.
It would be so interesting to see a triple 1350 top speed
Not sure what the theoretical speed would be but with a straightened bottom and a couple of thousand pound diet it would be something to behold

Not on my budget

NK

Plus it would increase the cruise speed saving the motors some work. all good points here and even though money would be no object down time is

NK

If money were no object I'd buy myself a 42' Chief or the 42' Pantera.. maybe even a Nortech all with 700's or 850's... Newer technology, ligher lay-up and more speed, greater reliability with less power but still great handling and rough water capabilities. :drink:

At the end of the day, having a fast boat that's reliable and handles big water with comfort is what's important to me. :coolcowboy:

Ed, you get that Commanche running yet? By the way, we're no longer neighbors, I moved out of state. :evilb:

Key word, downtime...:drink:

On the 2 engine side........ease of working on a staggered configuration.......

Pantera is the choice there Frankie

+1 If i had the funds for a brand new boat the pantera would be my first choice. The race footage of the one that went to europe is just awesome. Plus, it would still fit in my boat slip LOL..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ke16Nr95NM

It's a beautiful "Apache"..... They had a nice product, it's to bad the first owners/business men were so f'ed up on drugs and other not so kosher things......it could have been something meaningful.

Not knocking Pantera, Kudo's to them for picking up the mold and putting their own steps in it.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o41269-en.html

Not a apache but really close to it.

Beautiful boat, no doubt! Purely my opinion but is it on the high side for a boat that's almost 12 years old and very limited production? How many Sabers were made?

While we're at it. This one is newer and much faster than any of them! :drink:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o42510-en.html

Four 41 Sabers built. All in great condition. I tried to base my price on what's available. Tatonka 275K, Tonto 250K, Allez Vite 150K w/o power, Only Rumors 150K, Chill Out Warrior w/ #5s 175K. All of these boats look very nice, well maintained and are 6 to 11 years older. The Saber asking price is 190K and I am open to offers. I'm sure all will listen to offers even tho you may get laughed at. As far as limited production, we know all are well built. It's not like the need will arise to go to the junkyard, find a front clip, or fender with none to be found cause enough weren't produced.
There's a nice 42 Tiger w/6s on boxes for 155K as well. That one seems like the deal!
In your opinion, what price would it take to have these boats change hands? It is the buyers market for sure.

Yes and No on the durability.

Center engine works it A** off because the center drive
is the deepest.

Also the center drive and prop take the most abuse.
From a working stand point and prop damage being
your lowest point.

Still take a good staggered set-up any day.
Even just for the mind set knowing it's much easier
to crawl around and maintain.

Jon

I wish I had an definitive opinion by my simple answer is, I just don't know. People don't want to buy the Chief because it's a one-off yet it's also a beautiful boat will all the amentities and it's a runner just like the Apache's and Sabers.

WW is an awesome boat. If I were a serious buyer, I would call you to see if anything could be worked out regardless of asking price but that's just me.

My friend has his boat listed for $225K, it's a 2005 51' OL with fresh 600's.

The 2004' Cig I posted above, also for sale by a friend @ $225K. I wont move either and it's priced to sell with new engines, rebuilt drives and new transmissions. We even have a huge receipt for work done that would turn your head in circles. It also has all the bells and whistles of a pleasure boat.

Beautiful boat no doubt. NK

Jon
Great post concerning the duties of the center drive. . 33 1/3% load for each unit. as opposed to 50% load in twins. Even if the center drive gets a few percent more than the other two..........the durability gain is substantial. Strong props are necessary & available. Ease of maintenance..the staggered configuration gets the nod.
Ed

ive never run a triple -- buyt have talked with a few that have and from what they have siad the center combo pushes closer to 45 % and the other 2 split the difference when running in the rough.
Kinda made sense to me as its the last to push off the wave and the first to reenter. This came up when i asked why the center engine was running a crash box, while the outside 2 were hyd trannies...