Value of 41 apache vs 41 saber???
 

What is the value difference between an 06 saber with 1075's and a later 80's apache with old school blower motors?? I would have to think the saber would be worth way more since it is 20 years newer. What do you guys think? I think that if I was going to spend $175k on one of the two I would buy the red saber.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o47351-en.html

Not looking to start an argument, just would like to know what is better about the apaches, IE: layup, ride, etc...

It just seems when you put a pencil to it, the saber has the apache beat in almost every category.

i would have to say that since some apache's are for sale for the same price as they were 25 years ago and the saber is for sale for probably 1/3 of what it was new only being 6 years old i would think the apache is a better investment due to zero depreciation. i wouldnt mind either tho

But the saber is an apache :party-smiley-004:

Was it built and rigged by Saccenti????
Thats like saying 35 rabco is a cigarette

just kick in a little more coin from the ciggy and pull the trigger on spirit of apache

Your knowledge of Apache and Saber is astounding. LOL

How about giving us a list of the 41 Apaches built and rigged by Saccenti?

Lol!

Go look at it and find out for yourself. Call the owners of the other 41 Sabers and see what they think. If I had the same choice I would take the newer boat for sure. IMHO Saber is built as well or better than Apache. I love Apache too, dont get me wrong, but Saber is just as good. Just not as well known and does not have the name recognition. If you want a serious big water machine Clifford is it, have seen it in person and it's a great boat.

Sorry for not being exact..... what I meant was I don't believe Saber's were laid up and rigged by the same people. Is that better mr. technicality??? some phuckin people in here..

Funny, I was thinking the same thing...

Apache has history, Saber has molds...

If I had the loot I would buy Clifford and yank the Mercs. Install big blown old school power with dru Stellings.

A different spin on the topic by starting with a question - Are any other 41 Saber's for sale for comparison? I found a 2000 boat listed for 150k but it was a repo deal.

If the gentleman who commissioned Clifford didn't succumb to his illness, would the boat be a) even listed or b) what would his asking price be. Just making argument regarding the price of Clifford compared to the Apaches in the same region of asking price.The circumstances behind this sale/price is different than someone trying to move a boat or selling before the bank shows up for it.

A lot of the Apache's are listed for what they would have almost been purchased for BUT they are not moving either - some of the classifieds are the same boats as 1+ ago and others will be there for another year

i wouldnt mind Ancestral Spirit either. another sweeeeet ride

Not much different then names. Been in all 4 of the 41's Saber put out and multiple 41 apaches and seem to all ride amazing. Been 105 in Clifford, 108 in WW, 102 in ancestral and 94 in the triple after Tommy at Chief got his hands on it. Either way both names build the strongest boats.

where does cheif fall into all of this??

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o48985-en.html

If you put the Saber next to most of the 41's in the classifieds you will see major differences. Plus your talking a dry sump #6 boat staggered on extension boxes. So really there aren't many 41s in the classifieds you can compare it to. Apaches with the same set up go for more then that but in my opinion don't run any better in the rough. All are awesome and would love to own one some day!

can't compare flat bottom to stepped hull. still a sweet boat with awesome motors and drive train

+1

First off, nothing against Saber. They are badass boats but i think about it like this. A kit car cobra (i.e Factory Five MK4) utilizes more advanced components arguably making its performance and build quality much better than an original Shelby AC cobra. However, we all know which car brings more money on the auction block. The kit car lacks the true history and direct tie to the man himself. Consequently, while the kit car remains a quality product, it is deemed less desirable and will forever remain less valuable. One may argue this example does not reflect the prices of Apaches vs. Sabers but the point I'm trying to make lies in the allure of an Apache vs. a Saber

my bad didnt even notice the step in the cheif. they are all out of my price range im just trying to get a little education

Give Saber a good economy like Apache did in its hay day, someone that can sell and run the company and I think they could make history. Be sweet if they could put out a 47.

Those factors could be said for just about any company. It would also be sweet if the person, who made the deal for the 47 mold, would fulfill his promises and pay the $25,000 he owes. If the promises were fulfilled, I don't believe I could find much wrong with Saber.

Bingo! We have a winner here.

does that deal have anything to do with you???

also yea that can be said about any company but we're talking about a 41 that has a history of destroying its competiton in rough seas. besides a 41 saber don't think any other company that can compare

I am the one helping Jerry's widow Kristen sell Clifford. I have had the pleasure of riding on Clifford a half a dozen times with Jerry only in rough water of course and I would have to say that is the best riding boat I have ever been on.
I also ran Clifford at the end of last season with Kristen and the two boys it was during the week so not to many people saw us out there, we ran to Kelly's, PIB and sandusky.
The only bad part was the lake was too flat and couldn't really enjoy the ride. One thing that surprised me about Clifford was the mid range cruise speed on this 41' straight bottom boat, I have been on stepped 1075 boats capable of a much higher top speed, but with a much slower mid range. At 3500 RPM Clifford will cruise all day long at 65 MPH and at 3800 RPM it runs 73 MPH and this was a flat lake, I am sure some lake Erie chop would have made those numbers a little higher.
I have to admit that nothing is more impressive looking than a big boat with full staggered motors running big polished roots style blowers with dual quads. I also have to admit that the only super charged motors I would run in a boat would have high efficiency screw type blowers with fuel injection, preferably multi port.
The Merc 1075 is a very advanced power package that idles like a HP 500, but is capable of pushing a large pleasure boat well over a hundred MPH. With muti port injection you get great fuel distribution that will give you longer engine life and burn less fuel and the screw type blowers have less parasitic loss than a roots blower also saving fuel.
With some simple math we can all figure that Jerry had $500,000 plus in this boat and trailer, with a lot less money you can have one bad ass boat that looks as good as the day he brought it home.
Another nice thing about a 1075 is after you remove that high tech induction system it's just a 557 CID big block Chevy under there, nothing scary.

I have a lot of pictures of Clifford and some information that I would be happy to share with any serious buyer.

Jeff Wagner

Hi Jeff,
If you could e mail me photos and details of Clifford, that would be great
[email protected]

I will send pics in the morning, they are on the computer at the shop.

Both are great boats with an amazing ride, I used to detail a few Apaches and all the Sabers. I miss Jerry a ton, wish he was still here! These boats are all different , you can not compare any Apache to another because they where all done one off builts that there is likely no 2 alike. Floor height to every thing about the boat was custom built to the original owner specs. I am old school I like Apaches Kevlar lay up better, each to there own. Been in big water in both, my wife an I are in Clifford in the smoke video, great day with Jerry and Kristen. I hope somebody grabs Cliifford like Dan did with WW, and truly loves her like Jerry did and care for her.

you are my hero! ive never had the opportunity to ride in an apache! i would love to own a 41 with a stagger setup

+1 Must be a coona$$ thing Lol. Hows the water ? Flooded bad here. 5.8 feet over my road. Just flew in from Staten Island. Boat ride to my house. Hay i'm glade to be home.:whistle: Artie

ha.....its over the bulkhead on the DC which means the amite and blind river are flooded which means hwy 16 going to tickfaw will be flooded which means vals will be in trouble which means alot of homes will be flooded which means gee wiz another dam flood! good ole Louisiana! The main thing is the KV is high and dry! :lolhit:

So in other words If you wanna be 100% Racing, get the FFR Cobra or the Saber/Chief/Pantera then (and hope to be competitive against what's out there nowadays).
Don't see BobbyS rigging any old one of his to The London-Monte race.
If you wanna sit on it get the old Cobra/A41 and be loud about it's history in the parking lot/vintage race/poker run while the newer ones are making it, right ?
That's one of the reasons you do not see A41's racing much outthere anymore..except at Cowes recently. Nobody wants to be the one that's remembered breaking a vintage while running hard and that's not how Cobras or A41's where meant to live.

wish i could buy your boat!! be a blast out here on the pacific!! lost my best friend a few months ago to that stupid war over seas so I know how you're feeling about missing your little bro!! Jerry was a great guy! hope all is well Steve!!

Saber

All good points and there is little argument about the prices. Apaches have historically held prices pretty good in a very bad market for a while now. That allure will never go away.
NK

I still have his number in my cell, I spoke to him a week or so before he passed, never let on that he was sick. :(

guys that know me know im a big apache fan, been so since they were new but.....

look in the classified, would you pay even half of listed price for most of them?

other than a few very well kept ones most need major restorations costing way more than they would be worth done.

clifford will sell for a price close to asking and it needs nothing, whos in the 100k market for a boat with outdated drives and possibly needing fresh power?

you right they are not worth that big money any more im given mine away with out power and moving on to the next boat

ok fine, can i have it? boats like cars are worth what someone will pay presently. dont be so defensive, i actually like your 41 but who is stepping up with 175k for it?

old saying: s h i t z in one hand and wish in another , then see what you end up with a handful of first.:lolhit:

no power for way under $100k

ok, but... by the time you have motors and headers and trannys you are up there and still have drives that are outdated equipment.

for 175k clifford has modern power and build techniques and is bank financeable.

i think reality needs to set in, kind of like when i realized 25 year old women looked at me like a father figure and not a date for saturday night.:poopoo: