Someone would have to have a lot of $$$$$ and ambition to bring that one back to life. That hull and trailer might be worth $12-$15k for the right person.

That price would be about it with no hardware pretty bad shape in motor well. Way cheaper to buy one with hardware.

Why do people tear into running boats only to end up like this? :mad: I suspect Jay13's 41 Apache ended up the same way.

They try to make them look new again and find out its $50,000 or more then they sell them as is. you can buy one done for what u will put into that boat.

some people should not be allowed near power tools, reverse is a easy trigger to pull -but forward....... well, they just loose there way and the end result is razz AND the 47 all beautiful when Pete owned them

Jay13 boat ended up with a crap air brush paint job by now.

If I was going to start from scratch, which is basically what you are doing I would start with this hull instead.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...he-o62305.html

Dean

He hurt one of the motors so the cosmetic stuff (air brushing) got put on hold......then he moved up north/changed jobs and was never heard from again!

He was a very enthusiastic guy, I was rooting for him but I think he got too deep into the project.

I have a few questions about razz boat..
I understand its stripped does it have hull damage? (cant tell by pictures)
anyone know if any of the parts are around?
I saw it was for sale a few years ago for 99k.
what would be a good number to restore this boat? 150k to 200k.
yes you can go crazy with $$$..

The person selling the to the best of my knowledge does not have any of the pieces. That hull is completely bare . If you wanted to restore that boat to level of Tonto which you can buy for 185000 or less my guess is that you would spend in excess of 250000 . Now if you had a complete donor boat then that would be a different story . My guess even with a donor boat you will spend 75000 to 100000 .
Just my humble opinion.
RG.

So in your estimation that hull value is -65,000.....:picard1:

In theory if someone gave you the hull and a check for 65K you could break even on the project if you sold it for 185K! :D

No what I am trying to say is that I think the hull is worth $ 7,500 . What I meant was that unless you got the hull for next to nothing you would be much farther ahead buying Tonto or Tatonka . Unless of course money is no object or you are DYI and enjoy a project . Either way still cheaper to buy one of the 2 boats mentioned than to restore RAZZ .
RG.

Jupiter to respond to your post # 51 . What I sad was that with a COMPLETE DONOR boat ( with big power, fully rigged with V or VI drives on a trailer) and that hull you would still need &75 to $100k to get it to the condition of Tonto or Tantonka . No one said anything about breaking even . I don't know what math you used to get to a hull value of $65 k ?
RG.

He meant the hull value is a negative 65k (-65,000).... forgive him, he tries to be a performance boater but has never owned a real performance and doesn't now. However he will be the first one to chime in and say what something isn't worth despite real world differences and people redoing boats all the time and getting great money for them. Once again proving that asking price and selling price are 2 totally diff numbers, starting high keeps the low ballers away, real people with real money will make offers based on value, usually the sellers know that and will negotiate to the right number. :D I do however agree with your summation on what the hull right now is worth, and frankly without the race heritage it wouldnt be worth that.

I have a 41 fully rigged for $55,000 just need's motors and drives for $30,000 more #6 drives and gimbles go with it will pant it any color you want this was Ben's old race boat very light boat

Thanks Offshore , that sheds alot of light on his answer . Kid nice hull but my preference is a six pack boat . I am a pleasure boater and need a little more space than a 3 pack offers and lord knows I'm not affraid of a project .
RG.

You mentioned in the post I quoted that it would take 250K to get it in the condition of the 185K boat (meaning it would be worth 185K when finished)

185K sale price - 250K investment = $-65,000......being the value of the hull as a starting point...........(sarcastic point of view)

Come on Rob......you getting soft? I would have expected more vigor in your reply! :D Plenty of people have had the redo dream and no amount of elbow grease in the world will make the project financially viable even starting with a "zero cost labor estimate." To me the biggest disappointment is boats like these that were actually running examples, only to end up like this. This boat should be valued like an insurance company would value it.......scrap.


I have seen the thread on your new motors, I hope that comes out as nice as it looks so far!

No I'm not soft, just no time for it, and thanks... there is a story behind why razz is in this condition, its just not mine to tell. Take mine for example, even though i don't owe much on it, with all the upgrades I am doing the sum of the parts is worth more than the boat. and you're correct in the cost of the parts, however the big killer on this one would be man hours of labor, especially if you have to pay someone like i do because my business demands me to run it, then even if one was to do it in their spare time how many years would it take assuming the person has a 40hr a week job. good strong horsepower can be attained at reasonable prices, but its the little things, like on mine having to hook up strainers for the inter-coolers, its rarely ever a plug and play. my 20 has taken 6 years of mine and Daves time doing it between jobs.

Jupiter the short answer is you are right that hull isn't really worth much .
I was initially interested as I thought about using my flat deck as the donor boat , but as a wise man once told me when you find yourself in a hole stop digging .
Cheers RG .

Its a shame what has happened to that boat.

Nice vid. NICE Air about 720 or so!!

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very nice video! Luv seeing those classics!




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The Italy boat can be bought for 65k.... Random surface drives though. Not run of the mill asd or 6's. NA 850's. Slap a fat blower on it make 1000. That's a 6 pack boat. Need a trailer though. That's the best Apache deal currently.

It's sad to see RAZZ in the condition that it's in. Apaches are works of art in my opinion, and they all need to be saved. With the kind of work and money that's going to be required to get the boat restored, a zero may need to come off the right side of the asking price. Unless you have the levitating ability of Ed Leedskalnin that built Coral Castle, transporting RAZZ can be a costly issue.

This thread reminds me of when I worked as a technician servicing, repairing, and restoring European automobiles. On an occasion, I would get a customer asking me about my opinion on an "affordable Ferrari." For example, a 1985 308 Ferrari listed at something like $28k. I would tell the customer they're better off buying a $60k 308....and even then, expect to put maybe another $5k to $10k into it, if not more. The newest 308s are now 30 years old, and the days of repairing the minor gremlins have come and went, now it's due for the more major repairs due to sitting and aging in garages. It's the same situation for classic offshore boats; they fall into the wrong hands, trying to restore these machines on a shoestring budget, half-assing the quality, then when they're way over their head, they lose interest, and attempt to sell the mess they made....with the bonus 12 cardboard boxes of "Lots of Extra Parts Included." The other perplexing element is the lack of depreciating the asking price for the project/mess....they seem to always ask a price for their project boat that seems to include their premium for labor in destroying a great boat!!! Sometimes you can even see the desperation the owner is in...."Wife says the boat must go." After perhaps 2-3 months, the owner is living a life of hell, sleeping on the hide-a-bed sofa, and finally lowers the asking price to a reasonable level so he can sleep in master bedroom again.

I think that hull is way overpriced for whats there, but there is an ass for every seat

I think its worth maybe 5k

^ reasons why it hasnt sold yet... seller think its worth huge money, we all think its not... and itll continue to sit

30k or 5k for the hull is not really the issue. Its the 250k + needed to make it into running boat again.

LOL this couldn't come from a better subject.....

or find a running doner boat with ssm or surface drives and decent power for like 50 and transplant everything.

Anybody know what's up with Razz? It's no longer on the Performance Boat Center website.

It was sold a few months ago to another boater local to LOTO. He's posted about it on FB, not sure if he is on OSO or not.

Talked with him for several months regarding my 47' Octavian which I will be listing in the Classifieds shortly.

Any pictures of your 47?

Really was sad to see her there stripped. But I totally get it, unless you could do all the work and had a boat to chop up it really doesn't make much sense. I figured the 30k price was to keep the prop kickers away. Any real offer could be discussed and worked out.

glad someone got it. the 30k price is steep for no hard wear. but with the lack of boats built of any make in the last 10 years and apaches in not sure how many years. rebuilding a boat is not a bad option. can have a new rebuilt boat for fractions of the coast of a new one.

ok so bring on the 47 what's it look like ??

Yeah, let's see the 47.

Sorry Gents, haven't been back since commenting on the 47. Here is an ad I put up for it:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470...71461449796428

Not a project for the faint of heart but solid (dry) start for the right person. Would love to keep it and finish but plenty of other irons in the fire, this would sit for far longer than I care to admit.