Was it the one that was forsale/still may be that is out of Michigan?

:D

Was it Subtle Approach?

Good Job Ike you are correct.

Mark

I remember him saying he wanted to switch over to #6's???

Yes i know,,,would be very stupid. A waste of money and adding weight.
He needs to stick #4 big shafts on there, that would bring the A$$ of that baby up a little and he could leave the gimbals and all that and gain some speed.
Or maybe #5's.
Everybody thinks u can't get parts anymore ,,NOT TRU,,also allot cheaper and just as good if u don't go over 1000 HP each.

So i don't see the sense in spending crazy money for the 6's.

Are 6's really that much heavier than 3's? Bear in mind that you would loose all the external hydraulic steering, rams, transom fittings, mounts and hoses.

I remember when the #5's were still in production and a lot of the #5 boats were actually faster than some of the #6 boats due to the bigger gearcase, bigger gears and double vert. shafts etc.

Anyone else ever see that?

I believe that #5s have twin vertical shafts as well.

they do, the #6 stuff is bigger from what I've seen, hence possibly slower.

anyone else see this?

Hasn't the advent of the dry sump six changed this?

the black hull with the red stripes was Hoggie.

Thats what I was thinking...
Jr.

I believe that the 6's are more weight ,but with the new swept back skeg they have less drag so it equals it out.
But still more weight even with the steering stuff on the 5's.
The best drives ,,weight wise and performance wise are #4 bigshafts if u ask me ,,but somehere around 850+ HP its maxed outthis also depends on weight of the boat.
I believe if up to 9000 pounds and a good throttle arm 1000 HP is max.
then i would go with #5's.
I also think the drive itself may not be that much heavyer then the 5 (ut is but not much ) i think the extra weight is in the gimbal.
I run the chit out of my #4 with 800 + single engine 5500 pounds and have no problem what so ever.

U got to relize the drysump is not realy dry unless its a weismann.
The merc drysump still holds the whole lower of oil.
And now u add the litle pump an lines to the upper....+ the bigger shafts and gears, bearings......not realy a weight advantage.:eek:

Wow,,,nice boat back in the days,,,i guess allot of work now,,it was a really ruff boat when it left the race circut.:eek:
I also think its kind of stupid calling it Warpath ?!
Since there only is one real Warpath.

I understand that the 6 isn't a true "dry sump" like the weisman. What I guess what I meant was, with the reduced amount of parasitic drag caused by the lubricant clinging to the rotating parts. Wouldn't that offset some of the hydrodynamic and hydrostatic drag as well as weight penalty?

Definitely a possibility.

I guess u now have 20-30 HP more on the prop shaft if u want to see it that way. but how much HP do u need more per pound of weight to move the boat.
Especially if the weight is in the back ( all the way in the back )?!

What i mean,,it really does not make sense to change from a #5 to a #6 !!!!
Unless u have allot of money and want to go with a new look, performance wise i think they don't really do much if anything at all.

possibility :lolhit:

\I agree.

thanks dad! :)

Your welcome son.:drink:

A dry sump #6 is 3 to 4 mph faster than a wet #6. I saw a 4 mph difference on my boat. The prop shaft size doesn't matter because the proper height of the propshaft is about 3/4 inch above the bottom. An extra 100 - 150 pounds of drive weight on the rear of a 10,000 lbs boat isn't worth talking about. A dry #6 will outperform a #3 or #5.

I agree on the #3 but its not worth on the #5 !!!!!!!
By the way ,,the prop shaft is the same and the hight is only 1/8 higher on a #6 then on a 5 !!!!!!!!!
Well ok the prop shaft is 1/8 thicker but the spline is the same.
The reason why a drysump 6 is faster then a wetsump is because of the skeg !!!!
But anyhow everybody should do how they please,i just think its a waist of money. If u dial your boat in 100% with a #5 u gain 4-8 MPH in any boat if the max hull speed is not reached.

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I am looking for a photo I used to use as my computer background for years but cannot find it now. It was a shot of the banner boat from the rear 3/4 qtr view with the whole boat flying through the air after hitting a huge wave. Everyone on board was in full race gear. If anyone has this photo in good quality so I can use as a background please e-mail it to me [email protected] or post in this thread.
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How about a wet #6 vs. a #5?

If u got #5's ,,,keep them on there !!

Very true. I really doubt that someone really believes that 150 pounds on the rear of even a 8000 pound boat would make a diffrence. If they do I would like to know what in the world would convince them on that, besides that I would take a #6 Apache over a #5 any day.

Jus trying to validate and hear some real-world experience in what I heard in the past about speed in a #5 vs. a wet #6. :)

Then again, we're in the Apache section of OSO so there's no room for anything factual! :picard1:

TO FUNNY...........

go ahead and drop a prfect leveld boat from 10 feet on the ground and then do the same with 150 pounds in the back and tell me what the diffrents is.

Now do the same @ WOT in 4-8 foot seas and let me know which one runs WOT and still handles well ?!

LATER

Fig Newton sez

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSC...aws/u2l3e.html

Ed,,,your tooooooo funny .LOL

But its not what i mean.

The stern of a boat will drop sooner then the bow if there is 150 pounds more in the stern then on a boat with 150 pounds less in the stern .

mmmmmhhhh,,,,kind of like that ?! LOL

Its the diffrents between tripping and contiue to run the boat .

you must be kidding me???? You really believe that the 150 pounds makes a difference on the ride of a 8000 pound boat traveling at speed. Let me understand this again and correct me if I am wrong here but you are saying that if you run an 8000pd boat on a 4-6 at 90 mph and an 8150pd boat at 90 mph on 4-6ft seas and you really believe that it will make a noticeable difference? You must be kidding right?? We are talking 150 pounds right? The equivalant of 25 gallons of fuel right??? You are saying 4-6ft seas on a 41 Apache right?? You are saying if you go out in an Apache with 4-6ft seas at speed by your self and go out with one more person a heavy girl "150 pounds" you are going to see a noticable difference in ride right ???? LOL, Tell you what ,I have a great money maker for you now it's a bridge I have underwater and I want to sell you dirt cheap..

I would think a #5 would be a little faster than a wet #6. The #6 would last longer.

How many hours do you have in a 41 ???

Has anybody ever put surface drives on an Apache? Any reason not to?

I whant to see that 150 pound girl sitting on the drives @ 90 in 6 foot seas !

150 pounds all the way in the back ............yes ,,makes a diffrent, why don't u try that with your skater,,,put 4 batt. all the way at the transom and let me now what u felt ?!!!!!!
:Whatever:

It has nothing to do with a 41 apache or so,,,,,any boat will act up.
The 41 is very light in the bow anyways and now u add 150 pounds more in the back of the boat ........u would have to add 150 pounds in the bow to make up for that ....just to get it running like it did before and still add more to make it fly level.
If u guys want to play rocket ship thats fine ,,,i want to go fast at all times and be in control without worrying about tripping and then stuffing the boat .
1 reason why my boat runs 80 + in real 6 foot seas is because i dialed it in correct , if i add 150 pounds in the back it would tripp.
By the way allot of people think it has to do with trimm,,,,,what does it matter where the trimm is if the drive does not touch the water in the air ??????
Just think about it .
But anyhow ,,,i don't whant to start a pissing match,,,the #6 is a newer stronger drive but a waist of money on a boat with less then 900 HP,,thats my point.
Anybody should dial there boat in like they want and put on there what they want.
End of story.

PEACE :ernaehrung004:

Get some 41 seat time, then we will have this discussion. I'm out.