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SPINNING IN OR OUT?

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2002 Baja 36 Outlaw 500 EFI's with XZ drives.

Came stock with Merc 26 Pitch Bravo 1 4-blades. I could turn the stock props at 5000 RPM.

I could go out stock and run 70 to 71 all day long. After one season Darrin at Houston Propeller labbeb my props. The first time he put too much cup in them and I did not gain anything. The second time he cut them paper thin and they would turn up 5200 t0 5250 just under the rev limiter and the best ever GPS speed I ever saw was just under 75 MPH. If memory serves me right it was like 74.3 MPH on the GPS.

I believe that Baja changed the "X" in 2001 from what I have been told. I know the rev limiter from Merc is either 5300 or 5350 RPM.

I just replaced both of my tachs this winter. One was doing crazy things and would jump up to 5500 to 5600 and then back to normal with the props firmly planted in the water and the other one turns out to have had a bad ground.

Did you buy your boat new? If not I would say the Rev limiter has been reprogrammed.

Are your props stock? If they have been worked or came off a different boat then you could have problems. I borrowed a pair of labbed 28's from a buddy that were brand new. They were done by Throttle Up which does great work. I could spin them at 5300 RPM but I lost 5 MPH. Turns out they were set up for a 32 Sunsation with a stepped bottom.

Dock

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P.S.

I spin mine out. My boat did NOT like them spinning in. The starboard did all the work and the port slipped bad.

I look forward to trying them in again with the A/C pickup gone off the bottom.

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i spun them in.

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I just changed ignition to the crane Hi-6m which has an adjustable rev limiter. We have it at 5800 right now, but it will be moved to 5600 after all testing.

The 26's are labbed by throttle up, but the dont have any cup in them (and they came off stans 36 outlaw). I have the a/c up front, and it feels like the front is dragging a little, so maybe with some cup Ill pickup the front and more speed.

When you are trimming up, where do your indicators read? Im having to get it up to 8-9 which seems pretty damn high!

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I WOULD TRY THE HYDRO'S AGAIN AND SPIN THEM OUT.
YOU MAY GAIN RPM BY SPINNING THEM OUT.

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I Know They Changed The "x" In 2001 (on The 36)but Did Testing In
99 My "x" Is The Same As A 2002 A Friend Of Mine Has A
99 25 Outlaw And His "x" Is Higher Then The 2001 We
Measured So Go Figure Thats Why The 2 Inch Shorties Did Not Work For Me That I Thought Would For Sure I Thought My "x" Was 1.5 Lower Then It Was.

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Yea I should have done that. I also am trying Bobl's hydro p5x's in a 26. I think they are too much, just curious how they run.

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dock,

was your a/c p/u inline with your port drive. Mine is on the starboard side, but is 4-5 inches out of line with the drive.

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Any Up Dates Yet????

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Not yet. I sent my carbs to mesa balancing to rework. Im having the a/c pickup removed, and bungs installed the the risers to check a/f ratios. should have it wrapped up in the next 2 weeks, then ill try all the props and get with throttle up to do the final dial in.

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Keep Us Posted!!!!!

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hey stan

can you measure your "x" Im going to check mine and see where its at.

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WERE ARE YOU GOING TO MEASURE IT FROM? I THINK LAST TIME I MEASURED WAS FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE TRANSOM TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOAT (WERE TRIM
LINES GO IN )WAS 6 OR 6 1/2
WHAT DID LAZ DO TO YOUR CARBS??
DO A SEARCH ON IMCO SHORTIES I ASKED DOCK TO MEASURE HIS.IT SHOULD BE ON THERE .

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I just heard from laz, he said my carbs were jacked up. the metering block was plugged on one, someone switched the powervalves from the stock 4.5's and put in 6.5's. He thinks ill get anywhere from 200-400 rpms when i get them back. Im hoping to try it next weekend and i should have the a/c pickup off by then.

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STOCK IS 6.5.

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weird. he said hes tried every setup on stock hp500 carbs and stock 4.5's were the best. now im confused.

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Stan,

do you think the 4.5's will help or hurt?

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I Am Not Saying 4.5 Is Not Good I Just Said That The
Stock From Merc Is 6.5 I Use A 4.5 .

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boat is at the fiberglass guy today getting the a/c pickup removed.

dock did you use the same fitting on the back or get a new pickup?

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Who did you end up using for your glass work?

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David, Its the guy the ski dock uses. his name is jay. heard of him?

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Does not immediately ring a bell. How ever that does not mean I don't know him! :D

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well at least hes not on your chit list :D :D

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Good Point!!!!! :drink:

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anybody have a guess on what it will do? Im getting anxious! I know ill probably have to do some prop work to get 100% out of it.

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I wish you the best of luck and the best of results.

If you don't expect much then every little bit you gain seems like a lot. I have told everyone that with all the work we have done that I expect to loose 3 MPH!!!!

We are leaving after work tomorrow to head down and pick our boat up finally. I'm taking two sets of props to try Wednesday in that beautiful 70+ degree Florida sunshine.

I'll let you know how see does.

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Im very curious to see how yours runs as well. Did you end up changing cams?

We have 80-85 degree temps this week :evilb: That will make for some nice testing.

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Yes, the only thing we changed on the engines this time was the cams. Used the Crane 741 which is the same as used in the new 525's.

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are you running gils or an aftermarket exhaust?

I went back and forth on the 731 vs 741 and the outcome i was told was the 741 made more power BUT

1. there was a better chance for reversion

2. it was in an unusable rpm range.

BUT the 731 cam isnt much more cam than the stock hp500 carb cam.

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The stock CMI headers that came on the 500EFI with straight CMI 4-1/2 inch tail pipes (dry) dumping at the end. They extend out about five inches beyond the transom.

I was told by several, including the tech at Crane that reversion would not be an issue.

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Ahh, I have the crappy gils then. I didnt want to spend the coin on exhaust.

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Laz Mesa just called, carbs are on the way back. He said he cleaned up the idle circuit and did something with the powervalve circuit. over my head.

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You could just add dry tails to your Gils!! That would probably end the reversion issue!! :rolleyes:

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Yeah, I really hate those "Electronic" Carburetors!!

Get your circuit's crossed and you are screwed! :evilb:

Good luck buddy

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Just ordered the HVH 1" supersuckers, be here by friday :D

I also ordered a can of mercury blue spray paint to touch the carbs up, $25 freakin dollers for 1 can :eek:

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Good Luck I Use The 2 Inch Spacer Picked Up Alittle
More On The Dyno With The 2 Vrs 1 But You Have To
Jet Up. What Is The Timing Set At?

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34 degrees.

what difference did you see? (2 vs 1)

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Ill be testing this weekend. Got a set of 26's and 28's, also going to try hydromotive 26's and since i have the lower "x" im going to try 27 and 29 mirages.
damn thats a bunch of prop changes. Ill report the news. I should figure out what works best and get a set of props going.

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Fired up the engines last night. Cant wait to see what it does saturday :D