Who has the most experience setting up Baja's for speed etc ??
 

I am looking for someone who has experience dialing in Baja's for maximum performance. I.E. Phil at Lipship or Tres with the Cigs. I have alot of power in my rig and I know it is nowhere near where it needs to be as far as top end goes. I also don't have a endless supply of money to play hit or miss with. I am looking for the guy who can see what I've got for power and then say, O.K. you need this spacer and this prop and get the hull straightened and you will go this speed.

Any help for me ????

Thanks,

Smitty

Oh yeah. I am currently running 750 hp blower motors and XR drives with 1" shorter lowers in a 2000 36 Outlaw that weighs in at around 10,000 as I normally run it. Right now it is running a solid 83 gps with 1/4 tank. I am currently running a Maximus 28" prop because I need the blades to get on plane. I know this boat should be in the upper 80's if not more.

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what year? if its a pre-2001 you could stand another 1" shorter. Ive heard the 5 blades suck on the 36. dock tried one and i dont think it worked.

there is a guy that was running 850's and 3a's (docks friend) you might see how his is setup and go from there.

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Boat is a 2000. I went from stock bravos to XR's with a 1" shorter lower from Imco and with the same props I had slip numbers in the 25-35 % range and it took forever to get on plane. Now it gets up fairly quickly and has slip in the low teens on top but i have no big speed numbers as I should with 1500 hp.

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Smitty,

The 36 is a big boat. They will go, I have seen two first hand running in the 90's, but it takes a lot more HP.

I have spoken to several folks at Baja and they have all told me the same thing "HORSEPOWER".

The 36 punches a BIG hole in the air. It is what it is, a nice boat, lots of room, very comfortable and has a lot of room, but they are not fast.

Getting the slip factor down is a big problem also. MOst are in the 18% range which hurts.

The guys at Hawkeye marine are the best I've seen at making things happen with Baja's. Then you always have Lake "X", if you can get someone to set that up for you.

But I would focus on HP. One that I know of here in the Carolina's has 850 Tyler Crocketts with #3 drives and runs mid 90's. He has had the hull blueprinted. The other converted his stock 502 mags to 509's and put Whipples on. The work was done by MER in South Carolina. He also had IMCO Extreme's with 1 inch shorter lowers and was in the low 90's. These engines also dynoed at 850 HP.

There was a 36 built with Merc 900's and #6 drives that ran 110 MPH. I saw it forsale recently on one of the sites. From what I was told it was the only factory 36 ever built with #6 drives.

HORSEPOWER
HORSEPOWER
HORSEPOWER

My 500 EFI's dynoed at 580 HP with all accessories and I see a solid 77 to 78 MPH. I have been playing with props and cannot find anything to get me to 80.

It's a GREAT hull, it is just not fast.

Keep us posted.

Dock

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I have a 2000 33 Outlaw with the the 500HP's newly installed I had the three blades getting labbed and asked Mercury racing to run some numbers on a pair of labbed 4 blade bravo's that we labbed I found for sale and they said "Don't you dare put anything but a three blade on that boat. So being a stubborn boater and in need of props I bought them and boy were they right. The ride was horrible and the boat would plow in the waterbusting through waves. When I got my labbed 27's back they were 8 mph better. To go fast you go to bring the whole boat up out of the water and four blade will not work on my setup...5 would allow pontoons to pass me.

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Ive always heard boxes dont help 36's, but since i have the "low" x dimension, I was wondering if i changed to a 2" up box if it would help. I would

1. raise my "x" to the higher, faster x

2. get cleaner water.

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You are right, on the stock drive length they do NOT help at all.

As for the 2 inch shortie with the boxes, I have not found anyone who has tried them.

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That is very interesting. I cannot remember seeing a 33 that did not have 4 blades.

With Baja and all true deep vees you MUST carry the bow. You need a bow lifting prop and that is done in the way they cup the props.

If you bought a set up props that were labbed for a stepped hull boat, then you will not be happy. If the props were labbed for your specific application then they should have worked very well.

I know Jeff "Steeloutlawed" runs 30 pitch 4-blades on his 33 at close to 80 MPH.

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Dock,

I have the stock drive length, but my "x" is 2" deeper than yours (2000 model) If I got the boxes, I could raise my "x" without putting on shorties and get cleaner water. make sense? I wonder if it would work on my application vs not working on yours.

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It makes sense, but one of the 36's I mentioned that runs in the 90's came with boxes new from the factory, and it is a 1999 model. Send me a PM if you are interested and I will be happy to give you the guys name , phone number and email address. He will tell you that the boxes did not help his boat at all.

I'm basing my comments on that and the fact that four different people at Baja told me that they have never worked on the 36 to improve performance.

I will tell you that a guy I have been talking to out West has a new 2005 model with 525's and boxes and he is getting 81 to 82 MPH on the factory speedo. That leads me to believe that they are working for him.

We gave some serious thought to adding them to my boat this winter while the engines were out and I could not justify it. Who knows, they may work on your setup?

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I'm at 77 mph with 27's. on a Lovorsi GPS speedo. The four blades I bought were from a Baja owner.

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You could always blue print the bottom and take the hook out.
Where's some pics?

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What RPM are you spinning them at?

With 500's you need to be at or above 5200 to get the most out of them.

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Dock,
I am going to give Hawkeye a call because most of the 33's and 36's I have seen at LOTO that have been done by them have the boxes on them. Also they do not run shorter drives with the boxes. I should have taken some pics of some so that I could study them and see if the boxes were straight back or if they were raised any amount. Physics leads me to believe that a box should work if you have a prop that has low slip, because it should give you more leverage to lift the bow if the drives are another 12" back off the boat.

I will call Hawkeye and see what they say next week.

Smitty

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Let me know what you find out. im interested.

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My boat is a Hawkeye boat (02' 33), it has boxes.

Three of my friends have ( had) ( two 36's, 1 33)
with boxes ( all from hawkeye) these ranged from
98' to 00' .
The boxes on all of these boats are Stellings, there
set in the middle hole giving it 1" up.

The two 36's don't appear to have a real aggressive
drive height, do to the fact that the'll come out of the
hole effortlessly without any blowout.

My propshafts are approx 3" below the bottom of
the boat.....just guessing ,I would say the two
36's are in the 5" range by comparing them to mine.


Both of these boats carry the bow well.
The 2000 has Bulldogs, it run's low-mid 70's,
the 98' has pro charged 502mpi's ( 570 hp)it runs hi
70's low 80's.


I tried a set of 2" shorties on mine this spring,
even with the 5 blades, I couldn't get it to plane,
so it appears that the 3" below the bottom ( prop shaft)
is about as high up as you can get away with.

I was going to try them on one of the 36's but time
didn't allow so.

My gut feeling was that they should work if we could get
them propped correctly.

On my setup, the 5 blades are the answer.

I'll measure the the propshaft height on the 00'
36 and post back the measurement.

Re: Who has the most experience setting up Baja's for speed etc ??
 

I measured the 00' 36 last night, propshafts are
7" below the bottom.

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JaayTee

Could you please tell me exactly where you are measuring so that I can be consistent with you.

Thanks,
Smitty

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Here's the way I measured it.

Drives pointed straight ahead, trim set so
prop shafts are parallel to the boat bottom.

I then took a loooong level,
placed one end of it on the hull bottom ( outboard side of the gearcase) ran it along side of the gearcase.
At the front of the gearcase,I ran a square perpendicular to the level to find where the boat bottom is in reference to the leading edge of the gearcase, marked the spot, then measured down to the center of the bullet on the gearcase,
measured 7".

If I had two more hands, I could have measured to the
actual prop shaft center, at the rear of the shafts,
but being that the drives were set parallel to the bottom,
I was pretty confident in the measurement I got.

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JaayTee

I have to wait until saturday to measure since boat is at the lake. I will post up my numbers then.

Thanks,

Smitty

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Dock do you have any idea where I can see this boat. I have been looking since I saw you post and I have not been able to find it any help would be greatly appreciated........Moving on up........maybe. :D

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Click Right Here:

http://www.lake-cumberland-marine.co...84de3c0b124a5a

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Thats one bad@ss ride.....................I would love to see how it runs. Lots of weight in the @ss end.........BIG TABS are needed