Originally Posted by jryan26 (Post 2262026)

You wouldn't at 75mph! :eek:

Originally Posted by formula 4ever (Post 2262013)

Hmmmm.... this thread is like going to a ford dealership popping your head in the door and saying chevy is a better car than ford and start laughing hahahaha and leave!!!! Thanks to zx14 who started it!!!

Baja owners please don't take it personal these are just expensive toys to go out in and have fun!!! You should know you get what you pay for I'm sure every boat owner has or have had plenty of other toys in there life that you can say the same thing for. And formulas ALWAYS, ALWAYS, have been expensive. They must be doing something right!!!!!

Originally Posted by txracer (Post 2260627)

I have a 04' 292 and love it. I do wish it had full hydraulic steering, but not huge issue. It does have mechanical trim and drive indicators which are nice. I had a 25OL before this and we had just as much fun. We stepped up to the 292 to better handle rougher water and it does. The Formula is definitely better built and has much, much nicer fit and finish. Interiors and cockpits are nicer also. You will not find bare wood or fiberglass on a Formula(no offense Baja guys, they are good boats also). My Formula is like a rock compared to the Baja, no rattles or squeaks( I did not push the little 25OL trying to make a race boat either). I actually considered a 29OL also but heard of some handling issues with it compared to the 25OL or the 33OL. I have been in several 33OL and they ride nice. My 292 is like driving a sports car. It may be a little slower to plane than some, but it is fun to have someone take off beside you pulling away thinking they are faster only to be passed very shortly and never seen again. The small blocks do drink a little less than big blocks which is a plus. 292 will cruise @ 48-50mph @3800-4000 all day long. Ran beside a 29OL on a rough day on Lake Travis and the OL seemed to ride much wetter and rougher than my 292 but that could have been driver and trim. Enough off me rambling hope this helps. Like stated previously, both are good boats, have different feels due to bottom design, so drive both and make your own decision and you should be happy with either. 5 yr bow to stern warranty from Formula is nice:) Have considered selling mine, not as much time with 1 yr old.

Originally Posted by GoodTymn (Post 2262106)

.................
So lets end this mess and get back to some usefull forum topics like hot babes in bikinis on a trampoline.:cool-smiley-027:

Originally Posted by t500hps (Post 2262140)

AMEN!!!

Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 2262139)

my 88 baja has no bare wood in it from the factory you guys crack me up. your talking about clear balsa and glass or wood covered in glass the older formulas had bare wood under the floors:p known fact:p , and my friend raced to 38s in apba f2 class both broke stringers and bulkheads the new bajas are made with carbin fiber renforcement there solid and baja always did there colors in the gel coat which is hard and $$, formula always used a paint can and tape:p I have only been around a marina and boats for 40yrs:p art

Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2258240)

tbirklakemo,

You know there are several hundred Baja owners on this forum daily and I have to ask why you fell the need to come over here and insult all of us that own a Baja when this question was asked on the Formula thread also. I know it is your opinion and you are entitled to it just like the rest of us but when you cut down a brand you cut down each and every person that owns that brand.

For the money I have not found a boat that I like and enjoy more then any of the three Baja's I have owned. I can spend a LOT more money, but I cannot have any more enjoyment then we have had with our 36 Outlaw.

If you look at these pictures you see that fit and finish did not help this boat stay together any better then others across a large cruiser wake.

They are all wood and fiberglass when it comes down to it.

Dock

Originally Posted by t500hps (Post 2261489)

Never had to do that on my Formulas :cool-smiley-011:

Originally Posted by t500hps (Post 2261787)

It was a joke. While I've never had to do that....I usually have the family onboard and don't race it either.

Originally Posted by txracer (Post 2264604)

On my 25OL(01') there was plywood, not balsa coring, that was not covered in glass and had no sealer on it, most was undr the dash area. This is a place for water intrusion and will allow rot. You should never have unsealed balsa as it will act as a sponge, and there is nothing wrong with wood construction as long as it is sealed properly. Inside of the hull behind the liner was all unpainted glass and not very pretty or smooth. Although these are not neccessarily structural issues it does show the attention to detail in the build proccess. I am in the marine business and mostly deal with larger Yachts and sailboats and the Formulas are closer in build to the higher end stuff than your average trailer boat. I have not found any unpainted or bare edged wood(unsealed) in my Formula(04'). I just feel that if a company goes to the trouble to paint and make the stuff that you normally do not see look right that they made everyhting right and did not cut corners, if they don't do that was else did they miss???? I am not bashing Baja, just trying to show differences.

Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 2265308)

then you haven't run it hard yet , like I said my friend ran 2 38 formulas in f2 he didn't have to tighten screws just replace stringers and add more weight to the boat by fixing it. he got roid of both after by 06slod the 02 for 75,000just to get rid of it:violent-smiley-045: .most race boat teams are retighting chit after every race or your not running hard nuff:p art

Originally Posted by 245 limited (Post 2265750)

we are Lake Erie and if you have ever heard, it is not exactly a calm lake, worse ride then the ocean I am told by many due to the shallow waters and chop, when it is 6 footers here they are 6 ft high and 6 ft apart, makes for a rough ride.

Originally Posted by danh63 (Post 2266563)

I have never seen them side by side but by pictures, isn't the 29 ol a lot bigger than the 292?

Originally Posted by 245 limited (Post 2265750)

I do have to say that we run my friends 353 pretty hard all summer, does 97 and has not fallen apart yet! ran the last poker run in 4-5 footers at 93-95 MPH most of the time running a 36 Apache! we are Lake Erie and if you have ever heard, it is not exactly a calm lake, worse ride then the ocean I am told by many due to the shallow waters and chop, when it is 6 footers here they are 6 ft high and 6 ft apart, makes for a rough ride.

I have had my 320 Baja for a week and already the bolsters are pulling out of the floor!

Originally Posted by five cent worth (Post 2266091)

Doesn't even compare to anything out there. By far the roughest, especially on the south side.

By 245 did awesome in it for the year I had it up there though! :drink:

Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 2267043)

THATS BECAUSE ITS A 86 ,A LOT OF BOATS MADE IN THE 80s were screwed in to the floor which will pull out over 20yrs.plus they only used about 4 to 6 screws per seat back then and bolted the side to the gunnel which a lot of companies do to day which sucks. my new race bolsters have 20 screws or bolts which ever you want to use. you can pull the middle floor up unscrew it and put a star nut so you will be bolting the seat down or glass a 2x4 over the old holes then when you put the longer lag bolts in the seat is going no wear. if you want to read about floor replacement, stringer , bulkhead just look at jons in the Q A FORUM I brought it to the top you can see what I have been talking about pulling the mid floor up then glass the wood covered in glass hope that helps. I have owned mine for 17yrs. art

Originally Posted by 245 limited (Post 2267589)

I know its old, thats one reason, I plan to cut the floor and back it up from under to fix it.
Thanks, Tim