I just want to be clear, the Baja OH plant produced great boats, yes I think we all will agree Mgt, really caused the problems, (like any big company). We can also agree Fountain builds great boats. Everyone is being very critical, Fountain has already made more performance changes than MGT, would have allowed in OH, and their just getting started!!!!

As for price increases, none of us like it, but really have you priced a 26 Searay lately??? How about a phucking Montery chit boat 19'. Well I have, if you think a 8 % increase is out of line you have not priced any boat in the past 2 years have you??

I had a turd 30' inboard noname fishing boat with a single stock Volvo 8.1 beside me at the boat show this weekend, they wanted more for it than our loaded 30 OL with 496HO's

OK all that being said this was the best Boat SHow we had all year, serious buyers, and many saying they will purchase right after the election what ever the Phuck that means??

WILL:ernaehrung004:

Glad you had a good show.

Very simple, if Obama gets elected everyone that works for a living and owns a small or large business will have LESS $$$ money to spend.

Don't you mean anyone who has any money now will have "no" money to spend?:party-smiley-004:

Dock I have a picture of my GPS on the same boat with 4 people, coolers and almost full fuel at 82.1. So the 80.3 doesn't sount that hot to me.. OH and the bow rail looks freakin retarded.. :mad:

ok, here is my imput.
fountain bought baja, baja boght checkmate.
we had a 97 272 Baja untill 2005 it was a great great boat!! we got our ne 25 outlaw in 05, custom ordered from baja with our colors etc etc. we got that boat in 05 boat was great. we had a few small issues, one the head liner fell down, the speedo stopped working 3 times they replaced it 3 times, and a few sensors on the motor went bad. most happened outside the warrenty by about 2 months and the dealer wouldnt cover it. but both boats where great boats.
i was hoping with fountain in the baja mix we would see some changes for the better even tho IMO the boats are top notch. it will be ashame if they go the other way.

now for checkmate, we have an 03 checkmate got it new, have had great great luck with it, it has a few things i like better then the baja and a few things i like less then the baja, the quality is close, but not quite baja, so i called checkmate the other day, spoke with the owners son, he told me they are still involved but baja just bought them out. that being said, i think the new checkmates are going to be the boat to buy. if baja puts a few touches into the checkmate and keeps the price right, the new checkmate will be my boat. im thinking in a year or 2 im getting a new boat.
it will either be a 30 or a 33 and it will either be a baja, checkmate or sutphen. we will see in 09/10

Time to sell Ridin Dirty for a good price because I think our older Baja's are going to be worth more money in the near future it looks like. I will take $65k for mine which seems like a fair price when a new 30 is upwards of a $100k more... :food-smiley-007:

I doubt you could touch a 30 with 6.2's in it right now for less than 120k. Hold onto your 29 you'll be glad you did I'll be surprised if Faja weathers the storm..

You'll be surprised if Fountain and Baja weathers the storm? Baja would be down the road right now if it wasn't for Mr. Fountain. The man is a work machine and puts his heart and soul into everything he does. If he doesn't make it work nobody can. The one thing About Reggie is failure is not an option. It would be nice if more people had his never give up personality.

Well Mr. Fountain is helping keep all current Baja's value up, if Baja was not to be built the boats would depreciate much faster.

My point Baja by Fountain is still a hell of a value and will be set up to run faster.

WILL

Wow, even google thinks Reggie is a God!

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...esusMedium.jpg:food-smiley-007:

you spelled fountain wrong. :p

Good point those people up North at Baja were NOT "work machines" and definitely didn't put "heart and soul" into anything...(Joking)


Reggie DOES indeed know how to built a good boat, but if it weren't for Brunswick he'd be "down the road right now."

I do not see how Fountain building Baja's will or does help resale of the brand in any way. They have always been a good value and with all new boat prices rising rapidly it helps the resale of older boats automaticially.

The market is floaded with Fountains and I have a friend with a 35 Fountain with 575's that has had it on the market for two years now. He is taking a beating on price worse then I would with any Baja I have owned.

As for the comments on Baja being saved by Fountain that is the best laugh I have heard in a long time. There were a lot of good folks at Baja that I got to know very well and I'm proud to call friends. They knew how to build boats, they had passion and desire to move Baja to the next level. Just look at the quality of the poker runs boats and the success of the poker run tour over the last six years. These people were the victim of big corporate America and their hands were tied.

Like mentioned above Reggie would have been out of business long before Baja had Brunswick not financed him and now he is in bed with the devil.

Good luck to him in this tough market we will see who survives.

On another note there is an article in Hot Boat that just arrived about the guy over at TBM and the new FAJA as if he coined that phrase. I had to laugh when he said he surveyed his members and 38% said they would buy another Baja by Fountain. I guess he has maybe 50 active members meaning that 19 of them would buy a Baja from Reggie. I bet that makes the Fountain stock go up.

Dock we can agree to disagree, just go look at Power Quest values? Once a boat is no longer produced it normally will depreciate faster than a similar boat that is still produced!

At least we can agree with prices going up it does slow depreciation of current boats!

As for your friend with a Fountain, well take a look at the Outer Limits section, talk about a beating, I think the more expensive a boat is the more depreciation their is, Less demand as the market narrows.

Just my 2 cents

WILL:ernaehrung004:

Fair enough and I could not agree with you more regarding Powerquest. I have seen that first hand and have used them as an example when discussing this issue. However ever boat brand is different. Powerquest never was a big seller and was not around long. Apache was not huge but they cost as much as they did new and are very desirable. Baja falls in the middle and there is such a large following that knows the product that I simply do not see it as a real issue and I simply do not see Fountain doing anything that will help the value of my boat.

:ernaehrung004:

I hear you loud and clear. I was talking with a guy that bought a 46 Cigarette and he bought it for half what it sold for new two years ago. I told him that my Baja may depreciate but unless I paid someone $300K to take it I could never loose a half million dollars on it. Again the price point of Baja, the large number available and the following actually help Baja in my opinion. The folks that are spending BIG $$$ on a custom Outerlimits are going to order a brand new one the way they want it. Last months magazine cover boat is old news and there are a very limited number of buyers for those custom boats.


Thank you will for your input. I enjoy discussing it with you.

Some great points Dock and Will.
I do see some of the big boys depriciate quickly. Example Nortech Guy paid 600k. Just over a year later its listed for 499.00. Probrably will sell for 400 to 425k. If they are lucky.
But Nortech is back up on producing new boats for 500k to >1Mil. ..No disrepsect for that brand.(Just example) If I had the money that would be my next boat.

Time will tell.:drink: