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JasonSmith 01-03-2009 08:12 PM

40 Outlaw w/trips ~ weight
 
What does one weigh? On the trailer. 18k? 16k? 14k?

pwam1 01-03-2009 08:43 PM

The book says 12K with trips.

bajaholic 01-03-2009 09:29 PM

Holds 300 gallons of fuel as well. With the correct truck, it pulls just fine. We have a Kodiak.

JasonSmith 01-03-2009 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 2770048)
Holds 300 gallons of fuel as well. With the correct truck, it pulls just fine. We have a Kodiak.

so what is your typical gross -truck?

bajaholic 01-04-2009 08:48 AM

I have never actually weighed the complete set up. I also NEVER stop at any weigh stations when traveling. We have not been stopped, hasseled or even looked at by DOT.

That being said, my best guess is the truck (Kodiak) with fuel is around 12000 lbs, and the boat w/ fuel and coolers etc.is 13000 lbs translating to about 25000 lbs w/people etc.

Generaly when we are "traveling", I pull the boat with as low of fuel as possible and fill it up before we splash it. There is definaetly a difference in pulling "feel" when it is full of fuel. If I remember correctly it's 8lbs/gallon for gas, multiplied by 300 gallons, this adds a substantial amount of weight. (2400 LBS)

What is your reason for asking, what spacifically are you looking to answer?

Most people I have seen hauling the bigger boats just use a 3500 duelly to pull them. But I like my Kodiak!

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 09:25 AM

Brian, I'm just wondering what it would weigh on the trailer. My F-250 will tow 15k & for whatever reason I keep looking at a 40. My mind is in dream mode.

nomomoney 01-04-2009 09:35 AM

Jason,your F-250 will do just fine.I had a 06 F-250 lifted alot like yours when I had my 38 special.I would think that it would be a little heavier than a 40.I did put air bags on the 250 witch made it ride and handle better.

bajaholic 01-04-2009 09:44 AM

I agree, basically any of the above trucks mentioned will "Do the job". The difference is how relaxed the traveling will be.

I can tell you flat out, the bigger the truck pulling the boat, the less work it is and the less you have to worry about wind,rain, road conditions etc.

If you are going to your local lake or a short trip, you can always make things work out. But, if you are going cross country on the Poker Run Circuit, you will definaetly at least want to step up to some type of duelly. It really does make a huge difference. JMHO

Quinlan 01-04-2009 09:55 AM

There is a nice 40 listed here that Matthue has at LOTO it is twins w 575s pretty clean and needs a trailer. Pull those and drop in your motors. Then put the 575s in the 29. That would be a sweet package for sombody.
Quinlan

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by oklaoutlaw (Post 2770240)
There is a nice 40 listed here that Matthue has at LOTO it is twins w 575s pretty clean and needs a trailer. Pull those and drop in your motors. Then put the 575s in the 29. That would be a sweet package for sombody.
Quinlan

Know anyone that wants a really fast 29?
I know of another boat that is "for sale" that I've got on my short list.

Smitty 01-04-2009 10:07 AM

Really should be using a 1 ton and have dual rear wheels to comfortably pull a 40 footer.

My guess on total weight is 16K on a steel trailer and obviously less on an aluminum trailer.

I've got a heavy 36 Outlaw on a heavy duty trailer with six wheel disc brakes and I am right around 15K. I tow with an F-350 SRW with airbags and one time I borrowed my friends dually-- man what a difference !!!

Oh yeah that 3rd motor adds another 1K to the weight.

liquid asset 01-04-2009 11:15 AM

would rather you buy something like this, so I could live vicuriously through you, I'm thinking cruiser life will be our way for a while, It works good w kids, I have a 2 week old and 5 yearold girls

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o25157-en.html

boatman22 01-04-2009 11:43 AM

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Jason, here is my weight slip on the 38, 1/2 tank gas (120 gals) full of crown, tequila, aqua scooter, food, mixers, etc.

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by liquid asset (Post 2770283)
would rather you buy something like this, so I could live vicuriously through you, I'm thinking cruiser life will be our way for a while, It works good w kids, I have a 2 week old and 5 yearold girls

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o25157-en.html

Hell, if we are living vicariously then this is what I'd think I should get.
http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o10002-en.html
http://www.nautiboats.com/50%20Mystic.htm
http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o23180-en.html

BAJA WILL 01-04-2009 01:37 PM

I would really think hard about pulling a 40 OL with tripps with anything less than a dually. If you are going down the street to the ramp sure, if you plan on going from Loto to Miami you nutz. Remember you need to calculate the weight of the trailer also. We tried to squeek by in NC this summer with a 38TE, cost us $1600 in fines and that was with a Dually 3500.

WILL:eek:

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 01:39 PM

I don't want to get into the whole tow rating issue. I was just wondering how much a 40 with trips weighed & if my 250 would do the job based on the weight of the boat.
The f250 will tow 15k. The 40 is over 15k on the trailer. Enough said.

redbud35 01-04-2009 02:16 PM

Jason,
I pull a John Deere 332 trackloader that which weighs 14,500 with trailer and a couple of attachments with a 2500HD 3/4 ton with a duramax. It does just fine. I've pulled it 75-80 mph with no problems. Like someone else said, it just depends on how comfortable you want to be.

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 2770375)
Jason,
I pull a John Deere 332 trackloader that which weighs 14,500 with trailer and a couple of attachments with a 2500HD 3/4 ton with a duramax. It does just fine. I've pulled it 75-80 mph with no problems. Like someone else said, it just depends on how comfortable you want to be.

I've pulled stuff that would make The Bandit & Snowman piss themselves!!

I've probably backed more miles with overloaded stuff than most have driven forward with the right equipment.

:drink:

boatman22 01-04-2009 02:48 PM

All the TOW NAZI'S will be on your ass and tell you how you will kill someone and your insurance will not cover you.....
:party-smiley-004:

never enuff 01-04-2009 05:12 PM

IMO pulling might not be as much of a problem as stopping.:rolleyes:
Jay

liquid asset 01-04-2009 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2770306)


yea but that top gun cant be to far away from what you'll pay for a nice 40

TEAMBAJA 01-04-2009 05:55 PM

51' boat with cockpit space for 5 people!

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...es/10002_3.jpg

bajaholic 01-04-2009 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by liquid asset (Post 2770507)
yea but that top gun cant be to far away from what you'll pay for a nice 40

The boat he is talking about is NO WHERE near the cost of a CIG, He has found what looks like a really good deal!! LOTS of bang for the buck.

Jason, just pull the trigger, you wont be disapointed, especially on the ride!

pslonaker 01-04-2009 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 2770189)
I have never actually weighed the complete set up. I also NEVER stop at any weigh stations when traveling. We have not been stopped, hasseled or even looked at by DOT.

That being said, my best guess is the truck (Kodiak) with fuel is around 12000 lbs, and the boat w/ fuel and coolers etc.is 13000 lbs translating to about 25000 lbs w/people etc.

Generaly when we are "traveling", I pull the boat with as low of fuel as possible and fill it up before we splash it. There is definaetly a difference in pulling "feel" when it is full of fuel. If I remember correctly it's 8lbs/gallon for gas, multiplied by 300 gallons, this adds a substantial amount of weight. (2400 LBS)

What is your reason for asking, what spacifically are you looking to answer?

Most people I have seen hauling the bigger boats just use a 3500 duelly to pull them. But I like my Kodiak!


Gasoline is 6 pounds per gallon and oil is 6.5 pounds per gallon

JasonSmith 01-04-2009 08:53 PM

Guys, I'll be fine towing the 40. I just bought a new Toyota Tundra.

BDiggity 01-04-2009 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2770688)
Guys, I'll be fine towing the 40. I just bought a new Toyota Tundra.

at least u know toyota will be around next yr when u take it in for service.

BURNSMAZZ 01-05-2009 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2770391)
I've pulled stuff that would make The Bandit & Snowman piss themselves!!

I've probably backed more miles with overloaded stuff than most have driven forward with the right equipment.

:drink:

That's pretty funny.

liquid asset 01-05-2009 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 2770648)
The boat he is talking about is NO WHERE near the cost of a CIG, He has found what looks like a really good deal!! LOTS of bang for the buck.

Jason, just pull the trigger, you wont be disapointed, especially on the ride!

29k isnt that much difference when your talking 139k antway, and baja vs cig

bajaholic 01-05-2009 01:58 PM

It is still roughly 27% right. Take that same percentage by any price point that that person is looking at and yes... It is a big difference.

I have an 07 40, I would have loved to have an 07 CIG, but my 27% +/- is a whole lot bigger number... Get my point.

Besides, Insurance is also a difference between a Cig and a Baja. 30% more when I was checking around last time I was looking. You also have a smaller number of companies that will write the Cig.

Last but not least, Baja is a good boat, If you have issues there, thats a different reason all together and you are most likely NOT looking at the Baja anyway... My suggestion is untill you have taken a ride in a 40OL, dont judge, because you will be impressed!

But hey, I wouldn't mind the CIG either...

bowtye8 01-05-2009 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by BDiggity (Post 2770731)
at least u know toyota will be around next yr when u take it in for service.

Yep .............and New tranny, drivline, brakes!!:party-smiley-004:

Jason---I could not make that decision(new used boat). I dont know the money being spent but I know boats are all at a deal right now. I love Baja but for speed I would maybe looking at somtihng else.

bowtye8 01-05-2009 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by bajaholic (Post 2771081)
It is still roughly 27% right. Take that same percentage by any price point that that person is looking at and yes... It is a big difference.

I have an 07 40, I would have loved to have an 07 CIG, but my 27% +/- is a whole lot bigger number... Get my point.

Besides, Insurance is also a difference between a Cig and a Baja. 30% more when I was checking around last time I was looking. You also have a smaller number of companies that will write the Cig.

Last but not least, Baja is a good boat, If you have issues there, thats a different reason all together and you are most likely NOT looking at the Baja anyway... My suggestion is untill you have taken a ride in a 40OL, dont judge, because you will be impressed!

But hey, I wouldn't mind the CIG either...

I agree..Depends what he wants. Jason seems to lvoe speed. 5-10mph can be worth it on a different brand of boat.

I know alot of varibles there. a 39 Nortech is a big boat and will do Just a tick over 100 with 700's and low 90's with 525's and Its a big 39...very comparable to the 40OL. Now price. There's a few at fast boats for 300k range.(used of course)

Not found of the colors but for comparing.
http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o14174-en.html

liquid asset 01-05-2009 02:10 PM

Trust me, I've ridden in one, I've had 8 bajas and not really had any problems,You have the right to your opinion,but first off I wasnt trying to start a 40ol vs top gun debate, we all know who wins that. It was just my opinion, not to mention that 40 is 295hrs, on 500 efis, thats getting close to time to spend money. The 2 boats are apples and oranges anyway, there is no comparison,

liquid asset 01-05-2009 02:13 PM

its also 21% more not 27%

bajaholic 01-05-2009 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by liquid asset (Post 2771090)
its also 21% more not 27%

:Whatever:

Happy for you. My point is if a guy likes a boat and is looking at it, why imput your opinion when it is off topic anyway.

Not a big deal, but the subject is weight of boat.

Back to the actual thread, sorry about the side track.

bowtye8 01-05-2009 02:26 PM

I agree with above post. Sorry for my side track.......

Jason buy the 40OL and make if the fastest 40 on the water:ernaehrung004: Jason style!!!

liquid asset 01-05-2009 02:26 PM

I could go on and on, but I think we both know, noone wins an online debate

sorry to sidetrack as well

bajaholic 01-05-2009 02:29 PM

Sorry as well, been a too quiet of a day here...

:ernaehrung004: to everyone!

JasonSmith 01-05-2009 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by bowtye8 (Post 2771099)
I agree with above post. Sorry for my side track.......

Jason buy the 40OL and make if the fastest 40 on the water:ernaehrung004: Jason style!!!

I would leave it alone........for about 1/2 a second.
Dallas (Nicole) asked me if I would leave it alone. I said no & then she said I had just better keep the 29.

Quinlan 01-05-2009 07:14 PM

I only had to buy mine a cruizer to STEP up!!

TEAMBAJA 01-05-2009 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by bowtye8 (Post 2771099)
Jason buy the 40OL and make if the fastest 40 on the water:ernaehrung004: Jason style!!!

Good luck with that! He better have some deep A$$ pockets in those Wranglers to make a 40 fast! :drink:


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