26 outlaw speed ???
 

well, i did some testing with my old mans 08 26 outlaw. 496 HO.
it came with 3 blade 23p cruz at 3200-3400 rpm was about 34-36 mph and it seemed to blow the prop out very easy and i could barly trim it.
full out the boat spun to 4800 ish and ran 59 mph on gps every time.
this was fully loaded, fuel fuel, 3 people, 2 anchores 2 batt's, coolers etc etc etc. loaded up

i put my old prop on it 4 blade 22p and cruz speed at 3200-3400 rpm was more like 40-42 mph with the same load top speed was 60-62 mph depending what direction and what waves i was hitting. every run was 60.7-61.5 and i saw 62 a couple times
the 22 was just at 5,000 rpm. im going to put my labbed 24 on there and try that, but this info what do you think?
i was thinking this boat should run 64 or better. what is everyone running?

i think if i get it more to 4800-4900 rpm with the 24p lab i should see 1+ mph.

any thoughts?

What HP is that boat? 375 or 425? I raced a 2005 25 Outlaw with a 496 425HP a couple of weeks ago and he was running about 68MPH. I was running 69 and I bairly went around him. I was supprised at the speed, I thought it would be around 65 MPH. He said he had a 23 pitch prop, I assume he had the higher x dim.

I am seeing just about the same #'s in my 2008 26 OL, just this past weekend full fuel, 2 adults, running in a slight chop in the Atlantic Ocean I was seeing 4800 RPM and 59.8 on GPS with drive trimmed about to the 3/4 mark. 496 HO with a Mirage 23P stock prop. I cannot seem to get those last few hundred RPM out of it ! Boattest.com saw 66 MPH at 5,000 RPM don't know how they got there with a stock prop setup.

Are you guys running the 496 Mag HO with 425 HP? Either that guy I ran last week did some mods to his 25' or you guys seem a little slow. It sounds like 64-65 MPH would be closer to normal. Now if it were a real hot & humid day you could be down 2 MPH or more just from that.

The orginal thread posted a a 496 HO (which is 425HP with the HO description). The 25 Outlaw was probably running 68mph on his speedo and probably 60ish GPS. With a 23 Mirage Plus the 25/26 Outlaw is a low 60s WOT boat from everything I have experienced even with a professional driver. The Baja Outlaw's are a great boat but need a lot of power to run fast IMHO.

Low 60's is disappointing to me. I would have thought with all the advancements in hull design, layup, & rigging that they should be able to run in the upper 60's to low 70's. I always liked the lines of the 25 &26 Outlaws but on the 26's I noticed the sharp bends in the exhaust before the transom. I wonder how much power (if any) is lost and why this would ever even be rigged this way. how much work would it be to take those angles out during the build process?

His speedo said 70, I estimated his speed by what I was getting on GPS. When I passed him I was doing 69 and I bairly went around him. I think he must have done some upgrades. I will press him for more info next time I see him.

its an ho 425, with the stock 23p it ran low rpm, with the 22 4 blade it seemed to run more rpm and a little faster but cruz speed was great with the 4 blade.
its very strange as my father also has a 2005 25 outlaw at his home in florida, it has a 375 hp 496 and runs 60.x every time out with a 23p M plus prop and spins right up to the 4900 mark. this new boat hull is allot different with more of a pad style stern.

seems a little off to me, but maybe they are not as light as they say, the boat is great inside, i love the change over the 25, lots more room, great smooth ride etc, but the speed seems a tad low. im going to try my labbed 24 befor the end of the summer, it has a little cup in it as well so maybe the rpm will be close and the little extra bow lift will work. we'll see.

if the speeds are not off and 59-61 is all she has, to run 66+ i think this boat needs a 525. blue motors are pretty!!!


as for the sharp bends in the exhaust, i saw that and just shook my head. in my experiance i dont think it would hurt power at all. my boat gained nothing when i pulled the quick and quit tips off which is a bad restriction. so im sure its not a power robber, just a little silly of a design imo

Best I have seen on my 26 OL with an HO is 67 on GPS and that is a stock set up(except for the tips). I typically hit 5100 rpm's unless its a really hot humid day then it would be more like 4900 to 5000.

Is that 08 brand new?? how many hours??

Same setup here, about the same speeds. Have seen 66 and change under "ideal" conditions although typically it's a 63-64mph boat.

yea, its an 08, it has about 30 hours now had 2 hours when he got it.

I just bought my 2007 26 OL with the HO new in June from the Baja Dealer in New Mexico (BCS Marine). I am running in San Francisco Bay with the stock 23 Mirage Plus. Right away I realized (and was not all that surprised) that I was hitting the rev limiter at 5100 with a lot of throttle to go and only hitting 55-58 MPH. I just purchased a Mirage Plus 25 P and will putting that on next weekend. I'm sure i'll get to 62 with this set up, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

My 03 25OL ran 65 loaded 3 folks fuel...GPS 68 WOT me and 1/2 tank fuel GPS 23 3 blade labbed. I have run with several 26's that are in the 65-66 range same set up. This was in Florida on Fresh water at probably 12' above sea level in most all temps. 496HO 425 HP Stock.... Standard X demension. I ran with a 25 in St. Clair at Jobbie Nooner he has an extension box on but everything else is stock. I cant remember if he was running a 3 or 4 blade, but he was 68-70.

It's a 03 25OL with 496HO CMI sport tubes, Stellings Extension Box in highest hole 3" raised and 24p Bravo with Bblades lab finish on it. He was a strong 69-70mph on GPS when a 25OL can hand with 30'+ twins in 2-3' slop it's impressive!

I am running a labed 26. Best I have seen on gps is 72. I will run 69 to 70 everyday.

Sorry to misquote I thought you were stock. Any way hell of a boat and a blast to run with.

To throw some more data on the pile:

In ideal conditions (LKN in Spring or Fall when water temp and air temp is low) I can get 63.5 GPS at 4900 on a MAG. Stock 23 Mirage prop.

Good thread. :drink:

Mike

My 496HO 25OL GPS's 67, speedo will show 68, on the stock 23 M+ in choppy salt water at sea level. I can get 64 GPS with 6 adults+coolers+ full tank

Is anyone running a 23P 4-blade Revolution 4?

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I think Emilsr likes that prop best in stock form compared to other props in stock form. He has 26OL w/496HO, not sure his speeds but believe it is 65-66 GPS range.

My 04 25OL w/496HO will only get 63-64 loaded up w 24P Bravo 1

my 25 with 425 and a 23 balanced prop has touched 70 in the ocean with the exhaust open and a very light load.
Normally 67 max with 2 people and less than a half tank. My GPS is always 2 mph faster than the speedo.
The outlaw is popular on our lake and the feeling is that the 26 is about 3mph slower. Unless its a fountain and they are about 4mph faster.

not realy looking for info on the 25, its a totaly different boat. interesting to see, but im looking for the 26 info.
my dad has an 05 25 ol in florida with a 496 mag.
that boat runs 60-62 depending on load, fuel etc. with stock 23p

i was thinking the 26 with a HO would have been faster then the 25 with a mag, but so far it is not. im going to try my 24 labbed on that boat, im going to bet it picks up 1-2 mph but we'll see. either way to me it seems a tad slow. tests i have seen claim 64-68 on gps depending what one you look at, and this one isnt close to that

I assume you imply the baffles cut out? Is this hard to do? I am not a handy guy. Is it as easy as cutting them out?

Sorry for the igh jack.

I have Captains Call exhuast.

The 26OL is NOT as fast as the 25, Unless its one of the new Fountain Bajas. I would be surprised if the 26 is around much longer. It is slow out of the hole and top end.

its a GREAT PROP for stock height 24 ol/25ol /26ol, and BBLADES will rework it for you.

my old mans with the 4 blade jumps up fast. not the fastest hull, but it gets up fast. it also handles real well. compaired to his 25 and my buddys 25 its allot better, feels more stable and heavy in the water. its super nice ride. i think propped right it would run 62-64 all day loaded up etc. im going to try my prop befor the end of the year. we'll see.
the overall boat is great. the new layout is great. the use of space is great, the look is great. over all it is a real good boat. maybe not the fastest, but super nice.

Yea, I like that prop....great overall performance right out of the box. Much better than a stock B1 (or B1 with the Merc racing lab job....have tried both). Have only seen 62-63mph on top with the Rev but that's running in hot weather and only turning 4800rpm. In cooler weather I should see more.

Brett tells me the Rev doesn't respond as well to labbing and for the ultimate "all around" prop he'd lab a B1, for all out speed an M+. If I keep this boat long enough I may do both.

if you can hit 5800 with a m25 prop your gps should be about 67 to 68. also if you talk to brett at bbladeshe will let you try a prop and the REV 4 works well with BAJA single engine boats with stock drive height. my 26 b1 worked much better after I added the 2'' shortie to my boat.

*UPDATE*

I put the 25P Mirage Plus on last Friday and we have a brand new boat! We (wife and I) hit 65 with no problem with a 3/4 full fuel tank and lightly loaded (weekend gear) Outlaw here on the SF bay. I'm burning less fuel too at my 53 cruise speed at 4,000 RPM whereas before I was near 4800 RPM with the 23P.

is it boggy coming out of the hole? i put a 23 on my mate and i lost MPH over my 4 blade, but for giggles i tried a 25 and it top ended better, cruzed about the same and had almost the same top end, but came out of the hole slower.

im hoping to put my labbed 24 4 blade on my dads boat befor the season is out, im thinking thats the prop to have on that boat.

You know I was concerned that it might but it doesen't bog out of the hole at all - she gets on plane just the same. I can go almost full throttle now without the rev limiter alarm going off.

I do wonder how a 4 blade would perform but am really pleased with this set up for now.

my dads handles much better, planes out faster and cruz speed went way up but top speed with the 22p it was touching the rev limiter. thats why i say the 24 lab should be mint

I have a 04 25 with the h.o and I average 68 gps with 1/2 tank 2 people, 23 mirage. All stock except tips

I have same boat and can get no where near that......something must notbe right on mine for that.....plug change maybe? I get 63-64 MPH with both 24P B1 and 23P M+.....and it takes quite awhile to get the last 1 or 2 out of it.

Phillip; I know this post is a few months old, but what rpm were you seeing at WOT with this prop? I just barely touched 4800 with 3/4 fuel, light load and by myself. GPS was 63.6mph; flat water, cool temps on fresh water. Definitely sending this one to Brett for some tweaking.

Can't believe the difference between the 25p and the 23p Mirage plus. The 25 M+ "felt" more like the Rev4 in terms of holeshot and cruise. I liked it! :Score-101010:

Flat water will cost you 2 MPH easy. In my 36 perfectly smooth water will rob 5-6 MPH off the top end. You need some chop to get the hull free from the friction/suction of the water.

Good point Doc. Maybe I should define flat; in this case it was just a little wind chop (4-6 inches) with the wind abeam. What I'm seeing with this boat is the wind itself has just about as much effect as the waves. If I'm running against a 20mph wind in a good chop it's actually a few mph slower than it is in perfectly flat, calm water. Downwind I pick up several mph. Go figure...

Was liking the performance out of the 23p Rev until I tried more pitch on the Mirage +. Now I'm waffling about which one I like best. Good thing my prop locker is full. :drink:

mine gets to the rev limiter very fast and pops out of the water fast too. i was thinking about a different prop any suggestions? willing to sacrifice hole shot for the 70mph mark

What RPM with the 25P M+? I bought one and end of season last year and have not tried it yet. If I could get 5000-5050 with the 23 M+....I should be able to get 4800-4850 from the 25 M+??