[QUOTE=jetskidrewski;3191433]450RRRR - There is a 2004 Howard on www.yachtsalvage.com right now. Might be a good buy if you are looking at used boats as well.

hey thanks for the heads up on the howard some one already bought it though. would love to know what it sold for. they are not much for info on that site.the one i found is a 2006 with a 575 . should be a pretty strong boat