24 Outlaw Top Speed
 

Got to run the boat sat with only 3 people in it, bout 1/2 tank of fuel with the new prop. Its a 24p Bravo that has been worked. still does good out the hole, and at 5000 rpm was gps at 66.2. Might be able to squeeze a lil more with more playing with the trim and stuf. But overall im happy with that. Cruising rpm was dropped with the prop too. used to cruise at 45 at 4000 and now itll do 50 at 4000. Does this seem about right for this hull? I know this boat isnt a very fast or efficent hull design, and its heavy.

Nice increase in the cruise speed.

How heavy is a 24?

Honestly sounds a bit slow. I know that 272's with a 502 will be close to 70. I would think that a 24OL with a 525 would be closer to the high 70's.

Don't you have some RPM left in that 5000 seams low. Isn't the 525 a 5400 RPM motor?

on the air breather is says max rpm 4800-5200. so yea could prob spin it a lil higher. also could prob take more prop. something like a 26 or labbed 28 and get more top end, but of course would suffer on the holeshot. and im not real sure on what the weight of the boat is.

Hmm. A 25 OL with a 496HO and a non labbed 3 blade is around 65-66. It does sound low. And yep, it is reccomended for 4800-5200. I would think it should run around 73, and if your x-dim is stock, a labbed M+ would most likely be faster than the labbed B1.

you have a 525 super charged motor?? It only runs 66?? I have a stock 502 turing a 28 bravo..only 415 horse..69..Did you put the 525 supercharged motor in it?? Cause that wasnt a factory option...i dont think..

I have a Bravo 1 22P, and a mirage 23p on my 252 and I am wanting to trya Bravo 24p.

But i have a stock 454mag, so not sure how it will spin it if you barley spinning it with a 525 motor?

this sounds way off? what gearing you have inthe drive?

Its the 24. not the 25, i know there is a difference in speed between the two cause of better hull design. Yes the motor is not original. It was put in the boat about 2 years ago. before i bought the boat. Drive gear is a 1.50. Mabe the carb needs some better tuning. i know the jets in it are HUGE. like 102, so if its too rich, it would def effect power output. i woulve thought it should be able to run in the 70s as well. id like to try a larger prop to see how it handles it. boat has great take off. actually had 12 people on it and was still able to get up out the water no prob, and still did 62 with that many people. thats not a normal load though.

oh and fyi, the boat had a 22p bravo prop on it when i got it. but it would run out of rpm before throttle. i spun the motor to 5400 one time and got 61 out of it. so i knew it didnt have enough prop. from talking to the guy that did the prop, he said he added a lot of cup to it to help with lift.

:eek: GOOD LORD!!!! You had 12 people in a 24???? I hope the girls were hot or y'all are really close friends! lol

That's a sick 525 supercharged motor. Show me pics I wanna see a blower motor under the stock hatch

only pic i have of the motor, but you get the idea, back seat had to be cut and notched for the blower snout, as well as moved forward.

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and this was 10 of the 12, one guy was in the water and one was taking the pic. was snug, but not too bad actually. had to designate who was getting the beer from the cuddy. we didn't do too much riding that day. was the lake bash, so just went to the lake and chilled there.

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i agree it doesnt feel like the motor is making the power it should. im gonna pull some plugs tonight and see what they look like. might need to drop some jetting.

try a 25mirage prop they work the best on baja !!!! i have a 24 here me baby my motor i just put in 718hp i run in the low 80mph still testing. i am very close to be dail in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kojm...eature=related

here me playing with the wave runners http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmnD9...eature=relatedand prop your motor to 5200rpm your boat will run the best

Have you ever tried the boat with a 24" non labbed? I would get my hands on a standard B1 26" and M+ 25/27" and see what happens. Also just to see 70 with your 24", you would need to spin @ 5300+, so more pitch on a stock prop would be a good place to start.

The reason why I mentioned the 25OL was because, I would actually think your 24 would be faster with the same power. Not that big a diff in the hull design.

i got the 24 from a local guy. he had worked it down to like a 22 or 23 with less cup for another customer. i tried it like that at first and it was better than the 22 i had before but not by much. so i brought it back to him and he worked it to a true 24 with alot of cup. it def made a big difference in cruising rpm and speed. but it just doesnt seem like its as fast as it should be. i thought the 25 was a better and more efficent hull compared to the 24. id like to try a 26 to see how it does. I was told the B1 was the better prop for the baja. but def would like to try several different ones to see what works the best. My goal isnt just all out top end, because there normally is 7-8 people every time i take it out, so getting out the water is still important. And it is just a bravo one outdrive, so don't wanna put too much strain on it. if i find a money tree ill just upgrade the blower, install a chiller, XR drive and run a bigger prop. lol

Dude, you should be able to spin a 26 B1 with ease! Sounds like the motor needs to be tuned. My 272 w/ 502 Mag MPI spins a stock B1 24p to 4900 rpm 62 mph.

Depending on your cam, you're probably missing out on a lot of top end power with that prop...

Somethings wrong there....I had a 97 24' Baja Outlaw. Ran it with a 454 and it'd do 64ish. Put a Merc 525SC with a chiller and as I recall the speed was somewhere in the high 70's (like 77ish). I "think" I was running a 28 pitch four blade but don't remember exatly.

Some pics.

very interesting, u remember any specs on the carb setup like jetting? i think it could be down on power as a result of the carb not being tuned right. and sounds like my prop could be wrong.

im running a worked 24 and i can get 71 72 out of it with my 24 OL low on gas and the cuddy is bare. i am running 540-550+hp. i have a worked 23 mirage and can get 73 74mph best was 75 and it barely tripped 75 on the gps. i am running 5600rpm though

26 Bravo or Mach sir. You are also missing out on power. What heads and cam do you have? That seems very mild for a 540.

Bob Madera set up my engine. was 502 mag carb. .30 over now 509. heads have rough edges removed and gasket matched. custom cam by bob. dart single plane. 9.3:1 comp bob je pistons, isky and all the good stuff. with a holley 800 on top. she is strong. bob said my peak power is 5600rpm and that is where i run it and that is what she does. smooth water she runs 71 72. rough like 1 foot chop or a little more 73 74. have barely tripped 75 once on gps and it went 75.1 and then back down after a bit to 74.8. She does very well! and the bravo prop is ok... has a hard time carrying the bow though. like the mirage better.

it was all guys! saw him out there:party-smiley-004:

I have a 23P 4 blade and a stock 330 hp 454. The fastest i've seen is 64mph (according to the GPS on my phone) at 4600 rpm with about 1/4 tank of gas and just me in it.

LOL, um the pics show otherwise. and where were u at? must have missed you. next time where some stilts so you can keep your head above water. :)

from hearing everyone elses response im thinking i either need to have the prop checked again, check the tuning on the motor. OR and i need to check my trimming. Ill be honest this is my first boat running like that. so i guess it is possible im not trimming the motor correctly for top speed. thanks for all the replies for sure.

True

x2 get a lab finished double cup 25 mirage

Yea, you have to trim up for speed. If you have a GPS you can find the sweet spot pretty easy. Loose is fast, just be careful triming up in rough water. I caught some serious air a few times before I raised my x dim. Now I don't have to trim up as high for speeeed !!!

My buddy before he was killed had a 1992 24 OL with a 635 HP 540 c.i. Saw low 80's in that multiple times.

Sorry about your friend,

My bad. I took that as a 540 with 550hp. You can accidentally make 600hp with a 540ci block as long as your heads/valvetrain aren't total poop.

Bob has been awesome to me over the last 4 months. He is the definition of customer service. More than I can say for Dyno-flo. Pro-Systems and AFR have been great as well.

well i can throw all this out the window. LOl its new cam time. had the rocker stuf on the exhaust break, and then collapsed two lifters and wiped the lobe. so im going with a bigger cam and roller lifters. along with getting it dynoed before going back in. so should easily be able to have a much better top end speed

Call Bob Madera. You won't regret it.

Bob is certainly top notch. I know that i have the best of the best in a mild engine setup and the power is awesome. Once you get to know your OL and set her up right you can squeeze the last 1or 2 mph out of it.

But, I have the gear needed and nothing more. I do not have a single thing in the cuddy including the cushions. i sotre my gear to the back and when im light and the water is right that olde girl can fly. She hates smooth/glass water with a passion though.

+1 million billoin trillion. He is the best and he knows his stuff.

He designed my whole top end including new 305 AFR CNC aluminum heads + a pro systems carb sponsor + a daytona ignition. It hasn't run well thus far because of first carb problems (old one was set up for blower that used avgas) and now we think ignition (idle is fouling plugs with the thunderbolt). I get the daytona in the mail today and hopefully tomorrow I have a 85+ mph boat. I won't push much beyond that with a standard bravo.

regardless, if this doesn't work and my rings are screwed, im pulling the motor and sinking the mother finger

yeah, bob likes those (cant spell) napier ring sets, he enstilled the fear in me that without proper break in they would not seat. and i didnt look at my cam card and it has a swap firing order. after loosing eyebrows and talking to bob i got her. and they still seated. i hope yours do too. but i tell ya what. mine dosent burn a drop of oil. dont the stock merc 502s claim to burn quite a bit? when mine was foctory it was good for a quart almost every weekend out .

i ordered my cam kit the other day. this is what i got http://www.cpperformance.com/p-11622...ifter-kit.aspx

its one step from my stock cam, and its a roller. Not going too crazy with. just a simple cam swap.

My 502 doesn't burn any oil. However it likes to leak it out of the oil cooler. And I can't get the fittings any tighter....oh well