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T-RAV 09-12-2011 03:03 PM

25 baja outlaw on a dorsey trailer?
 
I have a 25 baja outlaw on a dorsey trailer and the bow of the boat is not going all the way to the bow stop. I've tried not putting the trailer in the water so far, also have out the trailer in farther and neither seems to help. It seems like the bow stop is to low, if you bring the boat further up on the trailer the bow eye will be over the bow stop. I thought it might need a v-block instead of a roller but I haven't found one big enough yet. I usually put the trailer in the water with about 3/4 of the fenders covered. any suggestions?
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T-RAV 09-12-2011 03:08 PM

http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/down...Inbox&inline=1

http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/down...Inbox&inline=1

Here are a couple of other angles.

T-RAV 09-12-2011 03:10 PM

one more
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Hook'em 09-13-2011 10:36 AM

It would help if we could see those pix. My 272 is on a Dorsey and fits like a glove. You must have the wrong trailer or someone "fixed it" in the past.

T-RAV 09-13-2011 12:03 PM

sorry I'll try the pics again, im sure its the correct trailer since it has 25 ol on the trailer, the more I think about it it would seem logical that they might have replaced the wood on the low v on the trailer and used to thick of wood. Maybe thats why, or is it set up different than others?
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Crossett 09-13-2011 12:05 PM

Run the line over the roller instead of under it and pull the boat up into position.

You can kind of see what i'm talking about here

http://traviscrossett.com/baja24outlaw.jpg

I just winch the boat over that first roller

T-RAV 09-13-2011 12:15 PM

Shouldn't the strap stay under the roller for safety reasons?

Crossett 09-13-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by T-RAV (Post 3502440)
Shouldn't the strap stay under the roller for safety reasons?

I run mine under the first roller and above the second. If you only have one roller and you can't get the boat on the trailer all the way by running the strap under it then run it over it will be just fine. Yes, it is probably technically a little safer to have the boat physically connected to the trailer, but realistically it's not going to matter. That strap is not going to hold the boat on the trailer if you get in an accident and the weight of the boat will be enough to keep it on the trailer when you're pulling it out of the water.

tknnd 09-13-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossett (Post 3502453)
I run mine under the first roller and above the second. If you only have one roller and you can't get the boat on the trailer all the way by running the strap under it then run it over it will be just fine. Yes, it is probably technically a little safer to have the boat physically connected to the trailer, but realistically it's not going to matter. That strap is not going to hold the boat on the trailer if you get in an accident and the weight of the boat will be enough to keep it on the trailer when you're pulling it out of the water.

If you run the strap over the bow stop, the boat is going to be sitting on the hook, and it's going to eat up your gel. If the stern is sitting completely on the trailer, I'd move the bow stop so that it fits correctly. No sense in half assing it.

Crossett 09-13-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tknnd (Post 3502500)
If you run the strap over the bow stop, the boat is going to be sitting on the hook, and it's going to eat up your gel.

Not if you winch the D ring up and over the roller

will22 09-13-2011 02:00 PM

loosen the bow stop from the actual frame of the trailer (should be 4 bolts) and slide it back toward the rear of the trailer a few inches - problem solved. strap goes under the bow stop too.

kragar 09-13-2011 02:02 PM

Adjust the front roller to the boat. You should also be running a tie strap from the eye down around the tongue of the trailer and back up to the eye to secure the boat down on the front that way when goping down the HWY the trailer isnt flexing and bounce off of the gel on the boat.

T-RAV 09-13-2011 02:13 PM

Everything is welded, non-adjustable. Im just curious if anyone with the same trailer had a different bow stop setup than mine, or if I am just not getting it on the trailer correctly, the previous owner acted like that is how it was supposed to be.

Crossett 09-13-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-RAV (Post 3502528)
Everything is welded, non-adjustable. Im just curious if anyone with the same trailer had a different bow stop setup than mine, or if I am just not getting it on the trailer correctly, the previous owner acted like that is how it was supposed to be.

Get some pics of the whole thing, not just the close ups.

Sydwayz 09-13-2011 02:22 PM

It's due to the angle of the ramp. This was talked about on another thread just recently. When the trailer is tilted down at the aft end when backed down the ramp, the boat is coming in level. The ring actually does touch the bow roller at this point.

Then, when you pull up and out of the water, and the boat is sitting level on the trailer, on level ground, the boat is backed away from the trailer. Part of this also has to deal with trailer flex as well.

This is the problem with long pointy boats, and bow rollers. Our kinda boats should have V-blocks that the boat comes to rest on.

In your case, it looks like the bow of the boat rests it weight on the forward bunks of your trailer. Personally, I would not worry to much about it as long as you have a safety chain on the bow eye. As long as you have a safety chain, the worst that is going to happen is you slam on the brakes, and the boat slides forward an inch to the bow roller.

T-RAV 09-13-2011 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3502535)
It's due to the angle of the ramp. This was talked about on another thread just recently. When the trailer is tilted down at the aft end when backed down the ramp, the boat is coming in level. The ring actually does touch the bow roller at this point.

Then, when you pull up and out of the water, and the boat is sitting level on the trailer, on level ground, the boat is backed away from the trailer. Part of this also has to deal with trailer flex as well.

This is the problem with long pointy boats, and bow rollers. Our kinda boats should have V-blocks that the boat comes to rest on.

In your case, it looks like the bow of the boat rests it weight on the forward bunks of your trailer. Personally, I would not worry to much about it as long as you have a safety chain on the bow eye. As long as you have a safety chain, the worst that is going to happen is you slam on the brakes, and the boat slides forward an inch to the bow roller.

That makes sense, as every ramp that I have had it on thus far has been steep, one of them the trailer drug going in and out, this weekend I am going to try a ramp that has less of a degree of slope and see what happens.

puzzleboy 09-13-2011 02:49 PM

If nothing works, cut the winch mast off your trailer, and bolt on an adjustable new one. This will allow fore/Aft adjustment, as well as up/down for the roller or V-block. Problem solved.

Sydwayz 09-13-2011 02:57 PM

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...-bow-stop.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/f...-my-fever.html

will22 09-13-2011 03:03 PM

with no dis-respect to anyone, i still say the whole assembly needs to move back toward the end of the trailer so the bow hits the roller sooner....it doesnt matter what angle the ramp is, you can see from the pics that if the boat slides forward to the roller its going to hit the hook and none of the bow will rest in the roller like its designed to. sucks that its welded b/c it needs adjusted prob by no more than a cpl/few inches.

what does the end of the boat look like on the trailer? does the boat overhang the bunks at all or even the other way, can you see a cpl inches of the bunk at the back? properly set up the transome should be flush with the end of the bunks.

Hook'em 09-13-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by T-RAV (Post 3502545)
That makes sense, as every ramp that I have had it on thus far has been steep, one of them the trailer drug going in and out, this weekend I am going to try a ramp that has less of a degree of slope and see what happens.

Bingo. You just don't have it pulled up on the trailer. The bow eye should always be snug to the roller and the strap UNDER it. Then you should see about 1.5/2 inches of bunk sticking out past the transom. The flatter ramp will do the trick then you'll be able to "see it" better.

blownhammer2000 09-13-2011 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by will22 (Post 3502565)
with no dis-respect to anyone, i still say the whole assembly needs to move back toward the end of the trailer so the bow hits the roller sooner....it doesnt matter what angle the ramp is, you can see from the pics that if the boat slides forward to the roller its going to hit the hook and none of the bow will rest in the roller like its designed to. sucks that its welded b/c it needs adjusted prob by no more than a cpl/few inches.

what does the end of the boat look like on the trailer? does the boat overhang the bunks at all or even the other way, can you see a cpl inches of the bunk at the back? properly set up the transome should be flush with the end of the bunks.

correction, properly set up trailer has about 3 inches of bunk running past the transom to avoid getting a "hook" in it

T-RAV 09-14-2011 02:09 AM

the boat isn't on the trailer all the way, down by the drain plug the bunks stick out, but everywhere else the boat hangs over the bunks, I am going to try the lesser degree ramp this weekend, hopefully, and see if that works, if not I'll just make it work, plan on getting an aluminum trailer next year since my main use is in salt water anyways. I was just wondering if it was something I was doing wrong or if it was the trailer. Thanks for the suggestions.

will22 09-14-2011 07:16 AM

i hope its just the ramp or something simple then - Good Luck.


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