95 mph 36 outlaw
 

Ran into a 36 outlaw on St Claire river today, thing ran mid 90's, I was on the rev limiter turning my 30 labbed hit 97 at one point and I had maybe 2 mph on him. He tore me up though in the Criss Cross chop between the sea walls and the mouth out into Lk Huron (when I had to let off). What kinda power does it take to turn a 36 outlaw 95-96 mph, he told me that it had 1500 hp (i assume would be twin 750's) but I would think it would take a little more than that. He came up on me first and he thought he was going to stomp me, he told me "it was the FASTEST LITTLE BOAT HE HAD EVER SEEN":evilb: Smitty

I would think, or hope, that 2 x 750 would run it that speed... formula 382 with 700's are in the same speed range if I'm right...

The 36 with the 900's & 6's ran about that fast.

Thats sorta what I was thinking, wasn't sure if 750's would get a 36 into mid 90's. Not sure if he was down playing his hp a little because got spanked by a not as cool "little" 272:evilb:, I'm sure others will chime in though, Smitty

Dock's 36 barely saw 90 with the big power in it.

I know a 36 with 600SCI's run 83-85 with a good set up, so 92-94 dialed in, is about right with 1500 hp.

XT you wanna get in on this?:D

Not really, but I bet the boat had the light weight cabin option with Simpson netting for seats, and deckolite stringers. Most normal 36ol's are wave crushers, and not speed demands.

XT

It was a great race, I would rather run someone who goes about the same speed as me even if I were to lose than just stomp on 80 mph boats (unless they are azzes with attitudes). I had my boat aired out thru some pretty nasty shiit, I don't think Ive raced someone that fast in nasty chop without backing out, all I was thinking was I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT LIFELINES ALREADY:evilb:, Smitty

I can tell you that boat had to have the bare bones cabin and at least 900 per side to run into the 90's. And somebody spent some time dialing that thing in for sure.

The second I saw this thread I thought of your boat. I knew it was going to take a helluva lot more than 750 per side to see those numbers after riding in yours.

Buck

Would have loved to see video of that! Sounds like a Helluva a race. The 36 must have been making some serious steam to run that kinda MPH! Although, he was probably just as suprised as you where when you where still beside him at 90+!

XT, I believe this boat has the cabin you where referring too?

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o40419-en.html

From what I remember hearing about your boat and others like it those were my thoughts too, I hit 97 on gps at one point and I might have had 2-3 mph at the most on this guy. He told me it ran mid 90's when i talked to him afterwards which is what I would have said if asked, I got a few glances at my speedo around 94-95 and we were side by side. When he told me he had "1500" hp (750 per side) I felt maybe he was downplaying his power a little, I'm sure monday he will be calling his engine builder to look for more boost:evilb:. No name on his boat and I asked him if he was on OSO and he said he used to be under the screen name "drillin" which I couldn't find but not sure how he spelled it either or how long since he's been on, he sounded like it was a long time ago. I wish I would have asked him more about his motors, being we were in Pt Huron I wouldn't be surprised if they were something Crockett dynoed. Speaking of Crockett, I was reviewing my 1050/1100 hp blower tune on my mefi4a and I found that my Knock sensor WAS NOT ENABLED, I been running with this set-up since 07, that doesn't make me real happy and I know I didn't disable it:angry-smiley-038:, Smitty

I told my girlfriend in between touching it off to get the camera out but she wouldn't let go of her death grip on the boat long enough to even get a picture!!!

There was a guy on here a few years back that went by Drill it.As I remember correctly he had 605ci Lingenfelter motors in it,and he ran in the 90's.

Dock's ran 80 yesterday in NY waters in the trim it's in now, "Tipsea" trim.

Found him, I see mention of his boat in this other thread too, Smitty

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/b...ml#post3523142
"I have a 99 36 with twin 605 ci. John Lingenfelter built 750hp engines. I am running Imco Extreme Sc drives that are 2 1/2 inches shorter than stock on Land & Sea 8" extension boxes with Herring 6-Blades. Best speed to date is 95 GOS and 96 speedo in fresh water (Lake Huron). This was done in September on a 72 degree day with a two foot shop. The boat will run 92 in dead flat water. Let me know how yours runs with the whipples. I am curious to see what kind of speed you get out of it. It took me a few years to dial mine in to where I am today."
"I do most of my boating in Port Huron but I do get down that way a few times a year. Do you also have a 36?"

Drill It

Ext boxes, herring props and shortys, maybe it WAS set-up that got him into the 90's with 750 hp, this was in 2004 also, who knows whats been done since, Smitty

Speed in in the setup. How many times have you, JT, Bobby & I discussed this Smitty? Hundreds!

I know it, the thing is fiinding that magic combo, after all the time and money I spent buying/installing a stellings box and fukking around with a Imco shorty I went slower and lost handling so I have resigned myself to just making a AZZload of hp but there are definately other ways to go fast. I'm glad I found this 36 outlaw guy and it sounds like he has N/A motors (lingenfelter 750's), If I had a 36 outlaw I would be making friends with this guy to learn from his set-up although yoou can't buy land and sea ext boxes no more, Smitty

Lingenfelter used to make some killer stuff, nice fella too, shame what happened to him )-:

Michael

My set up is way off for sure. Just tired of spending money on a hull that rides nice, but is not efficient at all.

On the other hand, my payment is cheap and if I break another drive, I am going to go to Arnesons and end the carnage. And then I will have a cool roost and will be running in the 90's for sure !!!!

Obviously Drill It has found the right set up on his boat. I ran across a guy once who had an Active Thunder. He had ext boxes and actually moved his motors forward and was running over 100 with a straight bottom boat !!!!

Your like me,, you have reached a point where you are just tired of trying to make anymore major changes, you just want your boat to be turn key and try to have fun using it without breaking. My motor has just over 100 hours on it and has been in for 4 or 5 seasons and even though it hasn't lost any power it is starting to get some blow by so its time to freshen it, this time I am just rebuilding mine exactly the way it is and going to run it another 4 or 5 seasons, Smitty

I'm in the same situation, I just want it to be turn key.

If I could eek another .8 mph out of it ,it will have ran
95 and I'll achieve everything I wanted to do with this boat.

All I need is that perfect day.....and nothing break:eek:

I hear that! I got within 1/2 a mph to be at my personal goal, got tired of breaking stuff and have put it back to a more every day friendly boat that my wife can operate:argue:

"Dock's ran 80 yesterday in NY waters in the trim it's in now, "Tipsea" trim."

NitrousNolan, does this mean Doc's boat was sold again?

arcticfriends Sounds like you had a blast running with that guy! Those are the days we all wish for when we are boating!

Mine has the "team baja" poker run cabin with the simpson nets. I love it. Just needs bullet proof drives!

So if I get mine "dialed in" it should run well over 100.....!

or he has more then 750hp a side?!

Well after reading this thread it gives me hope. I have always been told to run that fast you need a lot of power. All the newer boats are running in the low to mid 80's with stock 525's. They all have extension boxes or drives with a box built in it, shorty's and 5 or 6 blade props. The set up is everything, so it looks like I am in the market for some extension boxes and shorty drives. I just put new power in the boat this year even with all the other costs involved still cheaper than a new boat. Besides we love the boat all the way around we have owned it for almost 11 years. My how time fly's!!

Lets see some pix. Also give details on the power

I ended up buying Doc's old boat from the dealer in Michigan after some dealing and a unbeatable trade-in. It can still see 80 in some chop. Props are going to Brett this winter to hopefully gain a more efficient cruising and a few mile an hour.

drpete3 I don't have any pictures still running a little behind on this digital and techinal stuff. I can tell you the motors are 2008 525 efi's that have been refreshed and dynoed at 580 plus each. Curently running 28 4 blade, but I am in the rev's we are trying 30's this weekend. I wil post some numbers next week hoping to see 80.

mines an 05 with boxes and 525's and I run 30's best I've ever seen is 81 most of the time is 77-78

I ran the boat in the river where there is a tide and with the tide I could turn the 30's at 5000 rpm and 76.5 mph against the tide was like 4850 at 75 mph. I am going to send them out to see if we can get another 300 rpm out of the props and hope to see that 80. Are you turning your props in or out mine was faster in and what rpm can you turn yours?

I ve been reading your posts with interest, i too have got a 36 2001 outlaw which i have repowered with raylar 600s, ive had only a couple of running but with WOT i ve had 79.5 with a strong tide behind but normally get 77, i need to a bit of prop testing and i am going to try some 29" mirage plus props next, i am currently running 28" hydromotives but dont seem to be picking the bow up enough! hope to hear more about your boats soon! Regards Charlie

I turn them in, the 30's are labbed. I've tried 30's not labbed lost alot so there only for back up.the RPM run at 5350 and the 28 were 5400 but lost 2-3 mph not labbed. i know my "X"
is quit high , but with boxes is hard to know what the mearserment is.as you already know it runs best in 1+ chop.
its all stock I've only broken one drive in almost 200 hours.

I think that is the way to go on the props. I would like to go with some boxes, but have been working with John over at Nor-Tech service he turned me on to the engines and I think we are going to try shorty drives next. He also installed header drains if header fails water won't leak into engine and destroy it. really important on these 525 headers from CMI.

Ive never heard of this

I've have had no problem with the headers, with the boxes my pickups are on the bottom of the boat so they dont get near
the amount of juck my 302 did with 500's did. those header where a night mare, always full of grap from the lake. Over heated all the time went thru about 8 bevales, and by the time you realized it it was to late.

Me neither??

The drains are to slow the corrosion process. They won't keep water out of the engine if there is a failure in the header. The idea is to keep the water out of them when the boat is stored.

Bingo :coolcowboy: