35 OL's
 

If you were in the market for a liner 35 Outlaw that may or may not have had "issues"...was checked out by a survayer and came with a clean bill of health would you still buy it or pass for the right deal?

What do you mean "may or may not have had" ?

Depends how you think it has been used and how you plan to use it.

35
 

My opinion probably wont matter, but I will say that I have had a 29,33, 36, and am now in a 35 outlaw. I have spent time in all of them and ran them all in that washing mashine they call LOTO. Out of all of them I would take the 35. Best layout, great ride, good boat for everything. It has the best of all the others combined. I would buy another one in a second.
Hope it works out for you either way.

Thanks for the replies... I worked/sold Baja for many years and have driven them all, Poker Ran 33's and one 35. I love the lines of the 35 and the one I have in mind looks and has everything I would want (except for blue power but that is a heck of a premium on ins. here on the gulf coast). Rumor has it that the boat was one of the liner boats that suposidly had issues (crack) that was fixed twice but have not 100% completely confirmed that yet....that is where my question comes in. Most of the liner boats have bad raps but there were good ones as well. Just scared from a possible future re-sale point as the one I am looking at has been on the mkt forever.

Like LOTO I boat in a washing machine as well...Conroe is solid bulk heads and big boats (Fountains, Cigs, NorTechs, Donzi's, Sea Ray Cruisers etc. Not uncommon for 2'ers + of slop/whitecap any given weekend. The 29 we have is an awesome boat but we get the snot kicked out of us on the weekend at times and it's fun as hell to drive but the wife gets a little leary sometimes, heck the gulf of Mx. is even smoother then our lake...funny as when I grew up out there I remember boating in an 83 Wellcraft 166 "Elete" with 115 Johnson kicker on the back and it was flat water back then...man how times change.

Anyway thanks for the feedback, any more is much appreciated.

Dave

You might check with Outlaw Ed and see what kind of experiences he has had with his.
Jay

Like LOTO I boat in a washing machine as well...Conroe is solid bulk heads and big boats (Fountains, Cigs, NorTechs, Donzi's, Sea Ray Cruisers etc. Not uncommon for 2'ers + of slop/whitecap any given weekend.

Dave[/QUOTE]

I never thought 2 footers was really that rough.... Lol.

I never thought 2 footers was really that rough.... Lol.[/QUOTE]

2 footers on lake erie are just fun now the 7's and 8's those suck

Going from a 29 Outlaw to a 35 Outlaw, 2 big things you will appreciate is all the extra room in the cockpit and the extra room in front of the engines.

I love the lines of the 35 as well. Here is one of my favorite pictures. This was one day in Ft Myers "testing" when we accidentally joined a poker run.

I have an "original" (aka liner) 35 Outlaw. In fact, it was one of the earliest 35 Outlaws. Ski Dock received it in Oct-ish 2005. They got it painted, installed CMIs, and some other goodies and had it ready for the 2006 Austin boat show. I bought it new from them in Oct 2006.

I've had my share of stupid motor problems, nothing serious, just annoying stuff. But, instead of letting others work on it, I do it all myself now and everything is pretty much perfect these days.

Absolutely no hull problems. It feels as solid as the day I bought it.

2-3 footers make this boat fun! With no stepped hull, you gotta get air under it somehow. I've even had it in 12-footers on the way to Bimini a couple of years ago (I have to admit - 12-footers - not fun!).

It's not officially for sale, but as everyone knows, anything can be had for the right price! Not sure which one you're looking at, but, although I may be biased, mine is the best looking one out there!

Ed

TEAM BAJA and Outlaw Ed thanks for the reply....

When I worked for Marine Max I headed up anything and everything Baja. I had a new 33 every year that was my promo boat/poker run boat and my last year there we had a 35 OL with 525's in it so I am very familiar with the boats however when I left the boat biz (un-willingly) it was before the "issues" with liner boats except for the issues with the 20 OL's at the time. I know for a fact that there were some real problem childs out there especially with a few 405's. That all being said not knowing the history of some of the boats is tough since there really isn't such a thing as "carfax" or guarantee's out there on used boats.

Ed I know your boat very well. Del Waters and I are friends...I actually worked the boat show your boat was in back in the day when Ski Dock had it. Tied off with you a few times as well in Devils Cove.

All the 405's were recalled and all were fixed. I have not heard of any problems since then with the problems reoccurring.

I have been around a number of 35's, most have seen some small crack issues but easily fixed.(they were in the dash area) Everyone I know that has one, loves the boat. Even in the Stringer boats I have seen some cracking, so it is not just the liner boats. LOTO is one of the "roughest" places to boat on a heavy weekend, they take a pounding. Seems a light stress crack is just part of the "wear" of the hulls.

My past boats, the 25,33 and 40 all experiences a light amount of cracking, all were easily fixed and never came back. It was always in the dash or driver foot area, and note, all 3 were stringer boats. I will state all the crack's happened in the first year so it was fixed under warranty.

You are 100% correct Brian...they all have some sort of stressing etc...it is only natural. My concern is/was with the rigidity of the structure of the hull on the boat(s) that may or may not have had issues. Anything that flexes will stress at some point. Buying anything used is taking a risk...just how much more risk would you assume is the question. Now no, I'm not going out racing or hammering 10'ers @ 4 sec. in the gulf or dropping 1500 KE's in it (as nice as that would be)...but overall just would want to be comfy with the purchase and not scared I bought someone elses issue.

I dont think at this point you have to worry. Seemed like all the "issue" boats were taken care of in the first few months they were delivered.

I am aware of a few redo's and If I am not mistaken, the really bad ones got new hulls and were re-rigged with the old drive lines.

But think about it, it has now been at least 3+ years since any 35's were made. If there was a problem it would have reared it's ugly head by now.

I think the most important thing to do if you are looking at ANY boat is get it surveyed. You will know what issues there are and what you will be getting.

Bottom line, if you are that uncomfortable before hand, there is numerous brands to choose from, not just Baja. I really enjoyed my Baja's over the years, great boat for the money.... Do I have my eye set on something different for the future? Maybe... But they look alot like a Baja or is it the Baja looks alot like it... Either way, unfortunately there is a price point difference...

Just as I used to say when I sold them..."Dollar for dollar bang for the buck you won't beat a Baja or the Baja family". That was the one mistake I made when I bought this 29 was I didn't have it surveyed... If so things might have been different as I spent thousands getting it running and some cosmetic things...now that it runs and looks great (IMO) it's time to move on even though we like the 29...just want bigger.

Quick funny note... Our old Poker Run 35 with 525's just showed up in the classifieds here...just too rich for my beer pocket.

Sweet looking Paintjob ED!

Have you looked at the one PBC has listed? It's "treated's" boat off MWBP. Vert nice boat that has been at LOTO it's whole life and looks new. Great price too.

Thanks Redbud... that is the boat in question....

Dave, this guy kept it on a lift a PK. Used to see this boat alot when we went to PK all the time..

Dave- Good luck on your quest bud!!! I loved the 35 also as you know.
I would definatley look for one with blue pwr. Not that 80mph would be flying with 525's.......:D

35 Outlaw
 

Ive owned 3-36 outlaws -99-02 models ,1- 33 Outlaw 06 model and 1- 35 Outlaw 06 model and in my opinion there's no comparision to the ride of the 36 outlaw.It seems so much firmer and doesn't have the flex issues that my 35 had.I could run across ky lake in 3 to 4 foot swells and drink a beer with out spilling a drop.There's more headroom in the cuddy,larger v-berth and the cockpit is nice and roomy.I do miss the bow anchor compartment and the split shifter set up.My 35 would beat you to death and you could forget about trying to drink a beer in those types of conditions..You could look down in the cabin area with the hatch door open and see the hull flexing when running in rough water.The lay out and the lines of the boat was great for sure but the chipper gun fiberglass application and liner hull was the cheap way to go.It's hard to beat a stringer built hull.Good luck with your decision..

Hmmm.

Wow hank. Never knew u felt that way about the 35.

Sorry late on my replies...been in cancun with the wife for our late anniversary. dlange I tried to reply to your pm but your box was full... Not sure what I'll do yet y'all...gotta either sell my 29 or trade it. Definately going to move up but if I'm gonna spend 100-110 k I'd spend a few more and buy an older Top Gun... But for the right money and being able to move up to a 33-35 OL I'd be interested. No bad intentions when I say this because i like the boat but yes the 36 is a battle wagon and an old 35 cig hull but other then that they take a ton of power to move and not what I'm really looking for. Figured more stuff would be on the market by now...

36 outlaw top end
 

My 2000 36 has stock 500 efi's and it will run around 74 to 75 max with a full tank and me and the wife.My 2006 35 ol had 496 h.o's and would run about 72 to 73 max under the same conditions.I think that's a respectable speed for a old tank.Hell of a good ride for sure. I'll post some pictures when I get the old tank put back together and see what you think Hossman.Good luck in your trading up.I owned a 2001 donzi 33 zx with 502's and it would run about 72 max.That sucker weighed 9000 lbs.Now that boat was built like a tank and solid as a rock when you hit the big waves.A T/S Gun would be nice and there's some bargains to be had for sure.Good luck in your search.

Thanks Hank and looking fwd to seeing the pix. Don't take what I said wrong or as a dig on 36's as I like the 36's just not the boat for me unless I came across that amazing deal like I got on my current 29. 90% of the 36's out there have HO's in them and like you said need a minimum of 500's in them to run. I ran a 36 with boxes and 525's (old 490 horse blower motors) for a year back in the older days that we tuned on...so on and so forth then several 33's after that and personally between the two I just liked the 33's better....great boat like I said but not my preference. Regarding 35 OL's I love the feedback from all as I said I was out of the biz by the time the issues crept up on them...guess it depends on at what price would you be willing to take a chance and were they "that bad"? I hear of 405 issues, some early 30 OL issues...but not much on 23/26 OL's or other liner boats.

What year Cigarette are you looking at? T/S or flat bottom? I would think the older cigarette's will be difficult to finance, I know it was a concern of yours with the 29. I would much rather have a newer 35 OL than an older cigarette..but that is my preference.

02-03's... Have seen some good deals but dont want to spend that much right now to move up which is why this 35 caught my eye and raised the question (as you know) but you are right with the finance issue which is also what is bothering me on the sale side of mine...if I hang on to the 29 much longer and try to sell it out right it will be past that 10 yr mark which when I bought banks wouldn't go back past. Still love the baja's though, they've been good to me...no they aren't the fastest but love the lines and layouts of the boats and the people I have met over the past 12-13 years who own them have been great.

saw it sold, did you pop on it?

I've been covered all day and haven't noticed but nope, not me. I'm sure if it's true then someone got a great deal...

Sorry you missed out. Maybe the deal will fall through. Good luck on your search. If you wanna downgrade I'll trade ya strait up! :lolhit:

LOL! Sounds like a hell-of-a deal there! Although the 25's are such a fun boat to drive... I owned one and loved it!

So Dave ....Did you get a 35????:boat:

Hey there Dennis... No, not yet. I PM'd a few times back and forth with the owner of this one the day it showed sold but never knew it had "sold" till I saw it in the add.

I am still passively looking but am not rushing into anything especially since after being at the Ford shop as Service Manager for 8 years I went to the gym, was called back and said "you're going to Dodge" effective tomorrow (bout 2 weeks ago now)....so I am sitting tight to make sure all is good before I step out there any further, dealerships...they are all F'd up. Don't know what I will buy when the time comes and if my 29 sells in the meantime I am all good with that. Hope all is good with you and the fam.

It has to effect the retail prices on these 35 OLs with all the people knowing about the structure problems!

Even if all of them didn't have the problem!

I think it would stop me from buying one.

I think??? lol

WwW

I've been eyeballing some 36's...awesome to get over here and read up some first hand knowledge of these boats, characteristics, power preferences, etc. I keep looking that the price of the 35's (out of my comfort zone) and price of the 36's and keep scratching my head trying to figure out if the 35 is THAT much better all around for quite a bit more money?

Are the HO's enough to get a 33 running good??

From what I've read HO's will push a 33 low to mid 70s. I have no experience with a 33 OL, so that knowledge is just what I've read on here.

The 36 OL seems like a total pig/wave crusher compared to a 35 OL.

In a good way??

I will be running at Ozarks. So for me, this being my first performance boat, I'm looking for something that will run 50 or so comfortably in the washing machine there. I don't need to go 75 or 80 at this point. Although I'm sure that will come! Just want to feel safe and comfortable running on the weekends.

36 OL should be great for LOTO!

WwW

I've got 502's in my 33 OL, it will run in the low 70's, I would think the HO's would be about the same.

I run an '03 33 with HO's and can get 73 mph GPS out of it. I absolutely love my 33.