Hmm... Baja to Cig to big water to Saber to some D-bag posturing. :lolhit::lolhit::lolhit:

This thread is embarrassing....there are no words to describe it!

You sound like a bunch of women that like to take the argument down 17 different paths instead of the 1 important fact. "why trash talk"

There is no reason to trash talk about ANY powerboat brand from another powerboater!!! PERIOD!

We all have a passion for this sport and to keep it alive there needs to be a diversity in boats. How lame would it be if we all drove SKATER cats????

Stop trying to get the last word in.

There is NO perfect BOAT out there. Its a give and take depending on your lifestyle, family, budget, personal taste, etc.

How do I get the 30 minutes of my life back that it took to read this lame thread???

Yeah,,,,,Im embarrasssed I let myself get caught up in it.....

OK,,,,,lets start OVER

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,,,,I have no idea how you can trash modern Bajas

I bought a 272 band new in 1997,,,,put 750 hours on it in 7 years,,,,,,,and not 1 penny besides maintenece. Buddy still owns it to this day

38 Special,,,,OK,,,, I didnt the the "cruiser" feel to the ride,,,,I only owned it a month. But ac/heat genny and half my house still running 65 MPH was pretty cool.

36 OL rock solid,,,,only failure in 4 years,,,,,an external steering hose,,,sold it to a buddy last year who loves it just as much.

So IN MY OPINION,,,,,are there better boats,,,,,probably,,,,,,better value for the dollar,,,,,not so sure.

a 2004 42 Outerlimits I work on will be listed soon !!!

Boat is spotless

WHAT??? You didn't like the cartoon video about Full Force??? This thread is hysterical :lolhit:

On a side note, that '89 Baja Force 10 is actually pretty cool...

I have a few more comforts than the 33. Mainly due to the genset.

Thanks for spelling it out - I was getting a total hard on from the post where the guy was saying he owned so many different OLs....

And since we are getting back on topic, I think the fact is that in dogs, boats, motorcycles, exotic cars, women, you name it, there is always a spectrum and some get off by trashing those that are deemed to be lesser among the spectrum than the one they have (I was going to say "own", but the feminists would get pissed). I happen to own a 93 Ferrari Mondial T (hence the reference to the red convertible with a yellow horse that totally blew her dress off) - it is the car I always wanted and I fit in it (I can't say the same for most Ferraris). It is also at the butt end of the Ferrari world and I get condescending looks and comments from time to time when in the company of fellow Ferrari-istas. And I say, "so what?" Like go fasts, chicks dig it for its looks and the fact that it is a Ferrari. They may gravitate to a 430 if we are parked side by side, but they sure love mine when it is alone at the valet stand and, hey, I am in the club and have a great car that I love and could afford without selling one of my other toys, and I don't have any plans to race or track my car so I don't care it your Fcar is newer, faster, or whatever. That doesn't mean that I won't drool over it (we should all appreciate the beauty of the category of things we love - I love to look at beautiful women but that doen't mean I start hating on my wife because she doesn't look like some porn star I just finished, er, "watching", or hating on my Outerlimits because it is not My Way, etc.).

Does that mean we should be like kids in little league where everybody gets the same size trophy no matter what boat they have? No, it doesn't. My Mondial will never keep up with a 455 on the track, on the wow spectrum, etc. Similarly, saying a Baja is just as good as an Apache or an Outerlimits is just ignorant (use Michael Jackson voice and read it outloud). My job is to be gracious and friendly to the guy in the 3X foot baja that rafts up to me at the beach and maybe even say a couple of nice things about his boat. His job is to not say something ignorant like "I only paid X % as much as you and my boat is just as good as yours."

Bottom line - people trash talk because they are shallow. People are offended by trash talking because they are pussies. So, don't be shallow and, what ever you do, DON'T BE A *****!

Now, group hug everybody! :bananalove:

Hey, that's me driving PokerFace at Grand Haven MI. Smoke on the Water poker run for Baja. Man that was a fun run and half the fleet did not run the afternoon trip north when this video was shot. Having the chopper overhead filming makes you push it a little harder also. :thankyouthankyou:

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