What hull is a 236
 

Looked at a 236 yesterday and I am considering making an offer, is this a unique hull design for Baja? It seems big for a 23, not sure of the deadrise, the owner said it rides well in rough water but is not really a fast boat, 454/330 with thru hull exhaust and he said it tops out at 51 mph on GPS.

I'm not really sure which hull is the 236 but I have a buddy with a 96 model.
Your correct, I find it to be a spacious 23' ride.
He tops out at 53 to 55, but we've found in Matagorda bay it can be a pretty bumpy ride with a strong prevailing wind and larger waves 2-4 than our normal 1-2.
He purchased his from LOTO for 12500 in June 2011 w/350hrs (same motor) from the original owner. One thing to watch is his only has the low water pickups in the drive, we've replaced the fuel/water pump whatchamidigger twice from picking up small pebbles when beached, it was a major PIA for novice mechanics like us but got easier the 2nd time.
I don't know if this info will assist you but thought I'd toss it out if it would help you.
All in all a great little boat!!!

See ya,
Kelly

The 236 is a one off hull design that I did back around 92'. It is 21 degree deadrise but it is a long running surface and will ride pretty well in some rough. Maybe not as well as a 24 Outlaw but good enough. Nice big roomy cockpit area because the rear bench is over top of the front part of the engine.

XT

Great info on the hull, thanks. Still havn't made an offer yet. Wife pushing for a 272 Islander we looked at as well but it is 4K more than the 236 but 2 yrs newer and of course holds more people, I just hate giving up a cabin, the 272 hull didn't look as deep as the 236. Maybe it was an illusion.

272 has a 24 degree dead rise

So it would certainly ride better.

So many boats out there take your time.

my 272 isnt to bad in up to 4 footers after that i just stay home unless i am at the islands and have to go home

Your right, I should take my time, more boats will come on the market as the weather gets better, hoping to snag a bargain this time of year. Prices are usually higher once the season starts.

What is your price range? What are you looking for? We as a group find boats really well. The perfect boat is out there right now.

Price range is $10K to $13K max, prefer a Baja and need to run at least mid 50 top speed. Sold my old Baja 2 years ago due to health reasons, cured now. My group I hang around with and tend to run with have a Chapparel 26 with a 496, A Formual 24SS with 454Mag, 240 Baja Sport 454 Mag, 22 Pachanga 350 mag so they all run low 50's to 60 range when in a hurry. Cruise 35 to 40 range on average when headed somewhere.

I am open to other brands as well but cockpit room is important to please the wife and kids.

I've had both. The 236 has a lot of room for the size. They did a great job! To me, it was like baja tried going towards a little luxury/roomy. The built in cooler was the cats a$$ if it didn't eat ice that close to the cooler. Great boat but at the same time, it all depends on what your after. Pm me if you would like more info...I'm not on here as much with it being off season.

So you could get into 250's and 260's around that price range.

there was a 272 baja on ebay for 16k buy it now

Be careful not to confuse "hull side" depth with bottom depth. (deadrise) The greater the deadrise the better the ride in rough water, but as with anything else there are some trade-offs to consider. A deep deadrise is not as stable from side to side motion at rest, leans over harder in turns, and has more underwater drag for less speed in general. A flatter deadrise is more stable at rest, turns flatter (almost a controlled slide), and is often a little faster. (just warn your back when you see rougher water)

Just to complicate this a little more you could take a nice (deep) deadrise angle and add large lifting strakes, wide reversed chines, or a wide flat keel. This makes the (effective) deadrise less so the ride quality is lessened, more stability/less lean (wide chines), more speed from larger strakes/or keel pad, but the deadrise angle is still the biggest factor most of the time.

The same trade-offs go for hull side depth also. The taller the sides the wife and kids feel safer and your less likely to get wet. The trade off is on a windy day in the marina and the tall hull sides act like a sail when docking. (especially a single engine model)

XT

I know it's a long way from you, but it's not far from your price range. Make an offer you never know

http://muskegon.craigslist.org/boa/3467718469.html

Thanks for the great info XT. Nightlife that 272 is out of my price range and it doesn't look like it has a trailer which I need to keep it on. At 13K, I'm all tapped, including transportation if I had to have it hauled in from way off. There is a 2000 23 Wellcraft Excalibur that kinda looks like a Baja 236 for sale on Yachtworld not too far away, looks super clean for $14,900, thinking about looking at that, he might drop to 13K, but only thing I don't like is no thru hull exhaust and it's a Volvo but a good buddy told me Volvo's are tougher than Bravo's.

We had a 1995 and it was a great boat for use and our kids like the cuddy but we moved up to the 275 and the ride is smother on our lake. Ours didn't come with the exhaust but after a year on the lake and people asking where the exhaust was I had it installed.

Delta 11,500 would buy that 27ft that nightlife showed you what would it hurt to offer him that the most he is going to do is say no when i bought my 272 a few years ago i was being a smat azz and offered 10k less than asking price and they took it and we are only talking a 29k asking price

Thats what I ws thinking call up and offer 12k. Looks like it has a tandem trailer in the first pic.

Not that I am saying you have to go after that one. I know it's a long way from you, but if you needed it's not that far for me to go check it out for you. But really I was just saying there are plenty of boats that you could go after in that price range. 250, 260, 265, 270, 272 all can be had around that price.

If they are asking 15k in this market I would not be affraid to offer 12. Heck I was asking 22 for mine and some guy offered 15, and I think he really thought I would take it.

Deltaforce,I sent you a pm with this as well but ill post it here too. I am always looking at boats and this one might fit what you're looking for if you haven't see it already. It fits your price range and has a trailer, looks like its in great shape with some recent maintenance, some upgrades and not some gaudy colors that they've had in the past. I don't know the boat personally but here ya go! Hope it helps.

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/3524451172.html

Mickey

Sorry didn't realize that you were looking for a closed bow preferably. In that case I know this guy is asking 16.5 for this boat but he has had it for sale for almost 8 months. It's winter time cash might talk. He isn't far from me and if you're serious I can look at it for you or with you. I have a very similar boat so am pretty familiar with them. Good luck either way.

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/m...546196508.html

Called about that Outlaw before, just bought a house and needs to sell it, claims it runs an honest 70 MPH, didn't make him an offer, wife thought the cockpit looked as small as the 22 Force I used to have and he is higher by a decent amount than I want to spend altough if I waived 13K real cash might make him waiver, gonna look some more, thanks for the input.

dont be afraid to low ball someone you might just get lucky most they are going to do is say no

I'm not sure of the forces cockpit but I'm sure XT could chime in on that. I will say my 87 which has the goofy wrap around pieces which take up some room fits 4 full size adults with ease, 5 is even comfortable. So I'm not sure how many you're looking to boat with. As far as his claims of 70 with either a 330 or even a 365 is far fetched atleast in my experiences. I have a worked prop on mine and with the 330 I was right at 59 and with the 365 I got 63-64. Still a far fetch from 70. Maybe I wasn't running it as loose as possible but I didn't see it getting much more with what I had. Just some of my experiences, everyone has them. The boat looks extremely clean though and I am gonna bet much like everything in this world right now cash talks. if you went there with 13 you'd be taking it home if you liked it.

I will have my money by next weekend, may go take a look with the cash in hand, plus he's not that far from where the Baja 236 is. Going to see the Excalibur 23 tomorrow, have a noon appt, he is asking $14,900, it's on Yachtworld.com. Not sure they have a very deep hull, looked at a Rinker Captiva 232 last week with a 7.4 and it was a shallow boat, looked like river only.

I would see an Excalibur 23 out at hart miller island this last summer, we never tied up but we talked alittle andI have seen it up close. Looked like the hull had a deep V but didn't have as much freeboard. He said it had a 454 mag in it and it ran upper 60s. It had the moulded swim platform on his. Is the 236 you are looking at have the teal/pink interior? Good luck in your search. One last thing I will say is having the stand up bolsters vs sit down seats is night and day esp if it gets alittle rough. I love having the support to lean against. That's a must for me ever since my first bowrider without them. If I can help you in any way just let me know!

Mickey

I low balled the guy on my 220 and he got pissed, almost hung up on me! I had to calm him down because I knew I was going to own that boat one way or another.

Looked at the Excalibur 23, looks much smaller that the Baja 236, I think they count the molded swim platform as part of the 23, also less freeboard as you say Mickey. The 236 Baja is teal and purple with a orange accent accent on the interior. Excalibur was as clean as new, nice float on alum trailer, he has title to both trailer and boat, said best he would do was $14K, didn't counter offer as it looks to be a little small if the wind blows up. Reminded me of the size of my buddys Pachanga 22. The trailer with the Baja is a roller trailer but has no title just a bill of sale, owner said he bought it that way. Leaning toward the Baja as it's a good bit less and I could have the sunpad recovered and still be ahead on funds.

Sounds like you have been doing alot of running around. Just make sure you check the rear bench and sunpad frames to make sure that they arent soaked or rotting. Both my current boat and my old 226 bowrider needed to be rebuilt when i got ahold of the boat. It isnt terribly difficult to do just something to look at or possibly get afew more dollars off on the price. What motor is in the 236? a 310 mpi motor or is it carbed?

If you have the 310 motor i am guessing you should probably be running a 21p prop on it. If you are interested once you get it together i have a labbed 21 that b blades did for me this past spring that id be willing to sell for cheap. It isnt going to work with my new setup. It really made the cruise speed faster and would stay on plane as low as 2600 rpm. it carried the bow really well. I know that the 236 has a slightly less degree hull but if you would want to try before you buy im good with that. Im really not that far from you and work in Newark pretty frequently.

Mickey

Thanks Mickey, I'm sure it has a 21 Mirage on it as I looked at the prop and definitely interested in the labbed prop if I'm able to get together on the boat, probably call him tonight and make an offer, just worried about the water test, I'm off this Sunday but it's pretty darn cold and don't like buying a boat without a test ride.

Anytime. Just be sure to bundle up, you might get some looks if anyone is at the boat ramp duck hunting when you dump in and fire it up with the exhaust opened up lol. Good luck with the purchase!

Offered the guy $8K on the Baja 236 last night and he got pissed, then said $9K was the best he could do and would have to check with the wife as he sold his hot rod car and she doesn't like the Cigarette 1 he bought to take the kids on so he might keep both. He was supposed to call me back last night and never did, maybe he will call today or not. If he doesn't call might go look at that 24 Outlaw from Craigslist but I think the wife will hate the cockpit size, no steps to get up on the bow when we tie up and having to crawl into the cabin. The 236 was a big boat for it's size and had all the features to make us both happy. Figuring about $1,500 to $2K to get the interior repaired and add a GPS would put me around the 12K range on it. Also have to spend money to try and get the title for the trailer.

I was once told by a very wise man patience is a virtue, and in this economy offer what you feel comfortable with, obviously he is selling for a reason. Wether that's he needs the money or has too many toys. It's winter time and boats aren't the hot item right now. He will come around or it's his loss in the guaranteed buyer. But anyways don't chase him is the best advice I can give you. There will always be more boats that are better then the next with what you wanna spend. But on a different note the cabin on the 24/240 sport is alittle bit of a pain to get into. I don't know how much over nighting you plan on doing. I've slept in mine Afew times but its just two of us. It's plenty doable and isn't bad. Do you have children that you're over nighting with?

No kids to overnight, just be the wife and I on a rare instance, more likely used for some romancing after some alcohol and sunshine, LOL. One big concern on the 24 Outlaw is how to get up on the bow when we are docking it or anchoring etc, the 236 had steps and a windshield that opened, Can't jump as well as I used to when I had my 220, had to step on the seat, then the dash and hop over, looking to avoid that now. ALso liked the cockpit and seating on the 236 as lots of times the kids or inlaws come out with us and it had additional seating without cramming everybody.

Yea that's the only way I've found to get on the bow of mine, step on the seat on the dash then over the windshield. Good thing is the dash is pretty deep so there is atleast a place to step. I took some advise I read on here and added a set of cleats to the hull about where the windshield is that way you have something you can tie to for the time being until you can get to the front. Seating I think is alittle better on the outlaws as they don't have the seat support that runs across on the 240 sports. But it will be alittle more cramped then the 236. Good luck whatever path you run down. Gotta keep the wife happy too lol

Doesn't the 240/24OL have deck hatches? Thats how I get on my bow. Going over the windscreen is a pain.

Yea they have 2 but they're small. Very very small 10x10 12x12 tops. It would take a magician to fit through them. Lol. I've done the windshield jump for so long it just feels natural now.

sounds like tha hatches are about as usefull as the ones in my 272 i cant even get my head thru on mine the only thing they are good for is letting mosquitoes in LOL