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Delforce22 02-20-2013 11:17 AM

What model Baja is this?
 
http://delaware.craigslist.org/boa/3614461194.html

Searching for a 25 to 27 ft Baja with a single engine and came across this one, but NADA has no listing for a 27ft in the model year 1990. Anybody know what model it is. Missed a 260 ES on Ebay and looking for one with a large cockpit for the wife and friends.

txtraveller2002 02-20-2013 12:11 PM

1988-1991, the Coast Guard decided you couldn't count the swim platform in the length of the boat (i might be off a year either way). It only lasted a couple of years before they changed it back, so that's probaby a 260. I had an 89 226 sport, and it was a 24' boat including the platform. XT can probably chime in and tell you for sure what it is.

firehill19 02-20-2013 12:51 PM

Thats a 1990 250 as it was 27 ft long if ya counted the built in swim platform. As txtraveller said they didn't count the swim platform until 1991. A 1991 260 is 26 ft long and the first year for the 260 was 91.

Delforce22 02-20-2013 12:57 PM

So the 260 is 26 ft before the swim platform and this one is 25ft so it will probably have a smaller cockpit? Then this one is probably a 250 ES. The cockpit space is very inportant in my decision. Hopefully XT chimes in, he can verify probably by just looking.

firehill19 02-20-2013 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3871501)
So the 260 is 26 ft before the swim platform and this one is 25ft so it will probably have a smaller cockpit? Then this one is probably a 250 ES. The cockpit space is very inportant in my decision. Hopefully XT chimes in, he can verify probably by just looking.

1990 Baja 250 is 27 ft overall counting built in swim platform
1991 Baja 260 is 26 ft overall counting built in swim platform

Delforce22 02-20-2013 01:27 PM

Thanks Firehill for clearing that up. l felt like I was playing "who's on first" by Abbott and Costell, LOL. The pic's are lame on the 1990 250(27ft) but I googled 250 pic's and the interior looks to be smaller. Called the guy and going to look at it on Friday, also probably going to NY on Sunday and look at a 260 if he still has it.
Googling spec's it looks like the 1990 250 has a 8ft beam and the 260 has a 8ft 6inch beam, must be different hulls altogether, wonder what the deadrise is on the 250.

XT-Innovator 02-20-2013 02:58 PM

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The boat in the ad is a 1990 250 ES. Same boat as a 89' Sport 250, or a 91' Baja 270. There were (6) and one was mine! baja 240 DVX models built in 1990 that never made the brochure, but in 91' it was renamed the Baja 260. Hope this helps.

XT

firehill19 02-20-2013 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3871516)
Thanks Firehill for clearing that up. l felt like I was playing "who's on first" by Abbott and Costell, LOL. The pic's are lame on the 1990 250(27ft) but I googled 250 pic's and the interior looks to be smaller. Called the guy and going to look at it on Friday, also probably going to NY on Sunday and look at a 260 if he still has it.
Googling spec's it looks like the 1990 250 has a 8ft beam and the 260 has a 8ft 6inch beam, must be different hulls altogether, wonder what the deadrise is on the 250.

Deadrise on the 250 will be 24 deg so smoother ride than the 260 with 21 degree. But if ya have tabs on the 260, you can smooth out the ride some by dropping them down. The cockpit on the 260 is bigger, while the cabin on the 250 is larger than the 260. Again, i had mine for 14 years and it was a great boat as i (and help from others) did many upgrades to it and the only reason i sold it is i happened to be looking at a 302 on ebay when a coworker said he would buy mine so never had to list it.

Just4FunII 02-20-2013 06:19 PM

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I have a 1991 270. It's a great boat, with plenty of room and rides excellent.

Nightlife1970 02-20-2013 07:30 PM

The 250 is a big boat. If the cockpit is smaller on the 250 than the 260, it's not buy much. Certainly a bigger boat than the 236. That 250 has drop downs as well, not all 260's do. Seems like a good deal for 13,000.

Delforce22 02-21-2013 10:11 AM

Thanks for the ad's XT, I see the 260 is rated for 7 people while the 270 is rated for 6 and the length on the 260 shows as 26' and the 270 as 25'9", looks like a bigger cabin in the 27 and more cockpit in the 26. Got a 8:00AM appt to see the 27 tomorrow, I'll post how I make out.

firehill19 02-21-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3872036)
Thanks for the ad's XT, I see the 260 is rated for 7 people while the 270 is rated for 6 and the length on the 260 shows as 26' and the 270 as 25'9", looks like a bigger cabin in the 27 and more cockpit in the 26. Got a 8:00AM appt to see the 27 tomorrow, I'll post how I make out.

The 270 is 26'9". We had 10 in my 260 before and we didn't feel packed. Both are great boats and each has their plus's. Good luck!

XT-Innovator 02-21-2013 03:27 PM

If you were running poker runs every weekend the 270 is your boat. The 270 running surface is the same as the newer 272's and 275's so it is one great running boat. Those that own 270's love them but they also know they have to be careful with the windscreen because they are know to get broken easier than a framed glass windshield like the 260, and 236 models. Not bashing by any means here, it is just one bad mark for the 270 model. There is a member on OSO that developed a fiberglass windscreen for the 270's that can be bought. His name on OSO is Structural Guy. From what your saying is you are more into cruising around with the wife more often.

XT

Delforce22 02-21-2013 03:40 PM

Wife will be on there 90% of the time and she is no speed demon, ex wife was just the opposite but that's a long story for a different forum, LOL. Wife did have the old boat up to 60 with her driving once on a flat Sept day with no boats around but generally she doesn't like getting bounced around and rarely drives, I think she drove the old boat twice in 3 years. Making a 4 hr drive to see the 260 in NY on Sunday and seeing the 270 tomorrow, might have a boat soon.

mittens 02-21-2013 03:56 PM

Man my girl does not care. if she is driving she is scared and watchign all kinds of stuff.

If i am driving, or anyone else in our crew, on any of there boats, she is chill, will move around get beers, what ever. or pass out in the cabin. never heard a word about that.

now peeing in the cold water before i had a usable head... that i heard about.

firehill19 02-22-2013 06:08 AM

A 91 260 with the 7.4 engine might get ya 55 on the speedo so no big speeds. And some of those ads say 330 hp but in 91, with the 7.4/Bravo engine, it was 300 hp. Its only 30 hp so no big deal.

Delforce22 02-22-2013 11:53 AM

Looked at the 27, I really like it, wife was OK with it, engine has been worked, said he just spent 10K on 2 years ago, has a $3K set of chrome Eddie Marine headers on it. Young owner, doesn't look to have been babied, said it runs 68 mph at 5,000 rpm, alum bunk trailer with no title. Cockpit was small but interior had been redone a few years ago and was nice, had manual drop out seats. He does have someone looking at it tomorrow but I feel like I still need to look at the 260 which I have an appt to see Sunday. Also said he blew the outdrive last June and had it rebuilt, turns a 23 Mirage. Windshield was not broken which is an issue on them.
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high bid 02-23-2013 10:49 PM

Hey firehilll..glad to see ur still around!
Delforce...if you find you're interested in a 270, let me know, mine is up for sale. Two boat owner and I need to sell the Baja.

firehill19 02-24-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by high bid (Post 3873674)
Hey firehilll..glad to see ur still around!

Hey High bid! Yeap still around. Maybe catch ya at Canyon or Travis (if they get some water) some day.

spazz 02-24-2013 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 3871563)
The boat in the ad is a 1990 250 ES. Same boat as a 89' Sport 250, or a 91' Baja 270. There were (6) and one was mine! baja 240 DVX models built in 1990 that never made the brochure, but in 91' it was renamed the Baja 260. Hope this helps.

XT

XT,
Is there a listing in the 1991 brochure for a 1991 235 DVX? I bought one last year and cant find any information on it. I had a 1988 235 and got a cruiser....now I'm back into a Baja. I checked the title and hull #. I even checked BUC and NADA and neither list it either.

Thanks in advance.

firehill19 02-25-2013 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by spazz (Post 3874123)
XT,
Is there a listing in the 1991 brochure for a 1991 235 DVX? I bought one last year and cant find any information on it. I had a 1988 235 and got a cruiser....now I'm back into a Baja. I checked the title and hull #.

I just checked the 91 brochure and no 235. Closes is a 225.

spazz 02-25-2013 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by firehill19 (Post 3874229)
I just checked the 91 brochure and no 235. Closes is a 225.

Maybe it was a left over 90 that was re-titled and sold as a 91. The hull id is 91 and the decals are 235 DVX. Wonder why it wasn't in the brochure.

firehill19 02-25-2013 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by spazz (Post 3874246)
Maybe it was a left over 90 that was re-titled and sold as a 91. The hull id is 91 and the decals are 235 DVX. Wonder why it wasn't in the brochure.

Could be! XT will get ya the answer.

Delforce22 02-25-2013 02:07 PM

Looked at the 260 ES yesterday, it looked like new, wife fell in love with the extra room, not a scratch on it anywhere so gave him $5K to hold and paying the rest when we pick it up Saturday. Taking my buddy's 1 ton Diesel instead of the Nissan as pulling thru the Mountains would strain the Nissan.

XT-Innovator 02-25-2013 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by spazz (Post 3874246)
Maybe it was a left over 90 that was re-titled and sold as a 91. The hull id is 91 and the decals are 235 DVX. Wonder why it wasn't in the brochure.

Most likely the reason. All it took was a die grinder and push a new HIN number into wet gelcoat. Best way to tell is to locate the hidden HIN number and see if it looks like there were ever two numbers glassed one over the other.

Many Dealers would not take a leftover boat unless the model year was updated.

XT

XT-Innovator 02-25-2013 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3874510)
Looked at the 260 ES yesterday, it looked like new, wife fell in love with the extra room, not a scratch on it anywhere so gave him $5K to hold and paying the rest when we pick it up Saturday. Taking my buddy's 1 ton Diesel instead of the Nissan as pulling thru the Mountains would strain the Nissan.

Congrats!

mittens 02-25-2013 03:04 PM

YES congrats!

mickeymcclgn 02-25-2013 03:37 PM

Congrats!!! What are the details of it? You'll definitely enjoy the boat and have just enough time to get it cleaned up for spring!

Nightlife1970 02-25-2013 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3874510)
Looked at the 260 ES yesterday, it looked like new, wife fell in love with the extra room, not a scratch on it anywhere so gave him $5K to hold and paying the rest when we pick it up Saturday. Taking my buddy's 1 ton Diesel instead of the Nissan as pulling thru the Mountains would strain the Nissan.

Was it the 95 in Jersey with the 454?

Anyway congrats. You will like the 260 lots of room. It's a great tubbing boat as well. Mine really liked a stilletto prop from overtons.

Delforce22 02-25-2013 04:41 PM

It's the 91 from NY, garage kept, incredible condition, every service record, already thinking about some changes though, like ripping out the refrig under the back seat, don't see myself using it, changing the seats in the future to drop out bolsters. Can't wait to get it in the water, he said the top end will show 58 on the speedo and GPS will say 55 at 4,800 rpm, has a 21 mirage. Cabin looks like it was never used. He was very anal about the boat.

firehill19 02-25-2013 04:51 PM

I also took my refrig out and ended up putting amp and sub in there. Try and find the bolster stands that Baja used and the screw holes all line up on the seats.

mickeymcclgn 02-25-2013 05:00 PM

I might have some drop out bolster frames or whole seats for sale that would need to be recovered to match but they're extra stout ( not out of a Baja) and a labbed by bblades 21 mirage I told you about probably a month ago if you want a worked prop. Now the fun begins! Lol

mickeymcclgn 02-25-2013 05:16 PM

I might have some drop out bolster frames or whole seats for sale that would need to be recovered to match but they're extra stout ( not out of a Baja) and a labbed by bblades 21 mirage I told you about probably a month ago if you want a worked prop. Now the fun begins! Lol

TW720HVY 02-25-2013 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3874510)
Looked at the 260 ES yesterday, it looked like new, wife fell in love with the extra room, not a scratch on it anywhere so gave him $5K to hold and paying the rest when we pick it up Saturday. Taking my buddy's 1 ton Diesel instead of the Nissan as pulling thru the Mountains would strain the Nissan.

Congratulations.... she looks like a great boat. Good luck with it.

XT-Innovator 02-25-2013 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Delforce22 (Post 3874622)
It's the 91 from NY, garage kept, incredible condition, every service record, already thinking about some changes though, like ripping out the refrig under the back seat, don't see myself using it, changing the seats in the future to drop out bolsters. Can't wait to get it in the water, he said the top end will show 58 on the speedo and GPS will say 55 at 4,800 rpm, has a 21 mirage. Cabin looks like it was never used. He was very anal about the boat.

The refrig is DC only, and it just lifts out of the area under the seat. They work great and I always filled it with food and kept the beer cooler quick to get to. No more food floating in melted ice that way.

Before you decide on the bolster option look inside the storage flap under the bucket seat and see if there is a 3" bump up in the fiberglass floor liner that the seat box is screwed to. The early years the Aero Bosters were not a option and my 260 was the very first one to have bolsers installed, but I had to fill-in the recess in the floor mold temporary as my boat was being built. Later on this was done permament to offer the bolster option in the 260. I still remember them telling me at work that bolsters would not work in that model and I just had to prove them wrong.

XT

firehill19 02-26-2013 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by XT-Innovator (Post 3874818)
Before you decide on the bolster option look inside the storage flap under the bucket seat and see if there is a 3" bump up in the fiberglass floor liner that the seat box is screwed to. The early years the Aero Bosters were not a option and my 260 was the very first one to have bolsers installed, but I had to fill-in the recess in the floor mold temporary as my boat was being built. Later on this was done permament to offer the bolster option in the 260. I still remember them telling me at work that bolsters would not work in that model and I just had to prove them wrong.XT

XT, I guess mine didn't have the 3" bump in it as the bolster stands worked perfect. And thank god for those access holes. Here's a pic after the install.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...eatPics015.jpg

fleg1 02-26-2013 10:24 AM

You can get the bolster stands from GreatLakesSkipper on ebay, Or XT if he managed to get some from the factory before the demise!!!

Delforce22 02-26-2013 10:45 AM

Thanks for the info on the bolsters, got to get the boat home first, then I'll check the floor etc, hopefully it's the same holes, don't want to mess the floor up, boat is literally like brand new. Can't wait to PU this Saturday, hoping for good weather, about a 8 hr round trip.

gsxr1216 02-26-2013 06:09 PM

i thought the 250es was a '91 model??and i thought the '90 model was a sport 250??

mine is a '90 according to the hull id and the title, but its marked sport 250 on the dash and above the rub rail area on both sides of the boat.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...IMG_4146_s.jpg

Just4FunII 02-26-2013 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by gsxr1216 (Post 3875461)
i thought the 250es was a '91 model??and i thought the '90 model was a sport 250??

mine is a '90 according to the hull id and the title, but its marked sport 250 on the dash and above the rub rail area on both sides of the boat.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...IMG_4146_s.jpg

I have a 1991 270. They changed the name in 91. I think ES stands for European Sport, not a 100% on that though. I'm sure XT can clear this up.


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