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Kent 05-21-2018 03:28 PM

prop slipping
 
Trying to figure out what prop I need for a 26 Outlaw 2007 with a 496 ho. The 23 pitch mirage 3 blade it comes stock with is slipping/spinning when coming out of the hole and when turning. Just tried a 24 pitch 4 blade bravo, a little better, seemed to spin a 4000 rpm. Any ideas what the cause is or how to remedy? thanks in advance

F-2 Speedy 05-21-2018 03:29 PM

do you have a drive shower ?

skater24 05-21-2018 04:13 PM

yes this boat does have a drive shower, please explain what it does

AllDodge 05-21-2018 04:45 PM

Being an HO you want your WOT between 4600 - 5000 RPM. The slipping your discussing does this mean that your just not coming out of the hole as fast as you want?

F-2 Speedy 05-21-2018 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by skater24 (Post 4627651)
yes this boat does have a drive shower, please explain what it does

I had a 272 Baja, B-1 drive, ran great till I put a shower on it, cavitation so bad it wouldnt get on plane, the tube was a about an inch below the cavi plate on the drive, so at someone's suggestion I raised it to about 3\8 of an inch and the problem went away....

Kent 05-21-2018 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4627657)
Being an HO you want your WOT between 4600 - 5000 RPM. The slipping your discussing does this mean that your just not coming out of the hole as fast as you want?


It comes out of the hole but as it revs up as i give it throttle the props slips and spins and then catches again. Then when I trim up it happens and also on turns. What do you think?

AllDodge 05-21-2018 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 4627680)
It comes out of the hole but as it revs up as i give it throttle the props slips and spins and then catches again. Then when I trim up it happens and also on turns. What do you think?

Either trimming to high, someone has installed a lower (-1, -2, etc) which is shorter then it should be, or the transom has been replaced and the key hole is to high.

With the drive all the way down, is the ventilation plate even with the bottom V of the hull?

Kent 05-21-2018 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4627685)
Either trimming to high, someone has installed a lower (-1, -2, etc) which is shorter then it should be, or the transom has been replaced and the key hole is to high.

With the drive all the way down, is the ventilation plate even with the bottom V of the hull?


Hey there I will look tomorrow at the ventilation plate. Someone has installed a lower??? You mean a shower too short? I just took it off to give it a try without it. What is the key hole, sorry for my lack of knowledge! The transom has not been replaced.

phragle 05-21-2018 08:47 PM

1. has it always done this?
2. if not, when did it start?
3. what shape is the prop in? has it ever been dinged and "fixed"?
4. what rpm and speed do you max out with on the 23? (If you are proped right with the mirage, going to a bigger 4 blade will be too much prop)

nailit 05-21-2018 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 4627644)
Trying to figure out what prop I need for a 26 Outlaw 2007 with a 496 ho. The 23 pitch mirage 3 blade it comes stock with is slipping/spinning when coming out of the hole and when turning. Just tried a 24 pitch 4 blade bravo, a little better, seemed to spin a 4000 rpm. Any ideas what the cause is or how to remedy? thanks in advance


Might be a dumb question, but your not trying to turn 4K rpms coming out the hole?? I could blow my 25ol out above 3500 coming out hole. I tried to keep rpms at or below 3k on that boat and now my 33ol. A lot of torque, just like peeling out if you try to give her too much!

AllDodge 05-21-2018 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 4627686)
Hey there I will look tomorrow at the ventilation plate. Someone has installed a lower??? You mean a shower too short? I just took it off to give it a try without it. What is the key hole, sorry for my lack of knowledge! The transom has not been replaced.

Shower should have nothing to do with your issue. Your prop (from what I'm reading) is ventilating so its getting air between prop and water, If the prop is to high above the bottom of the hull it will ventilate. Just wondering how long has this done this (new to you boat)

Griff 05-22-2018 01:23 AM

It should be a 23 Mirage Plus. If its not a Plus then it doesn't have the extra cupping

Kent 05-22-2018 10:29 AM

Success!
 

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4627743)
It should be a 23 Mirage Plus. If its not a Plus then it doesn't have the extra cupping

The boat does have a 23 Mirage Plus. Took off the drive shower and it ran perfect!!! Wow! Thanks to everyone for responding.

Next question- when running the steering is great, when idling the steering is very stiff. Is this the norm? Just replaced the helm, but did not replace steering cable. This is a 2007 Outlaw 26 feet. Thoughts greatly appreciated.

AllDodge 05-22-2018 10:40 AM

Where was the pickup for the shower, in the front of the plate or very rear?

payuppsucker 05-22-2018 10:55 AM

Nice job Speedy........

Kent 05-22-2018 10:56 AM

drive
 

Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4627796)
Where was the pickup for the shower, in the front of the plate or very rear?


It was located in the back below the cavitation plate, and it was a double, two pick ups.

Kent 05-22-2018 10:58 AM

got her done
 

Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4627798)
Nice job Speedy........


Thanks!! LOL!!! Got to get these issues fixed, summer is coming!

payuppsucker 05-22-2018 11:02 AM

I was actually talking about F-2 Speedy, the guy who diagnosed your issue. Glad it was a simple fix.

AllDodge 05-22-2018 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 4627799)
It was located in the back below the cavitation plate, and it was a double, two pick ups.

Don't see how pickups, or for that mater much of anything else, behind the prop have anything to do with air getting in a prop. If it was in front or above the prop (like in a surface drive) then sure, but in any case glad your running good

phragle 05-22-2018 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by AllDodge (Post 4627803)
Don't see how pickups, or for that mater much of anything else, behind the prop have anything to do with air getting in a prop. If it was in front or above the prop (like in a surface drive) then sure, but in any case glad your running good


It can introduce air, which causes cavitation, like the aeration tubes on 6's but on a smaller scale.. Well known and well discussed, especially on single pickup showers when the pickup is put on the wrong side.

Kent 05-22-2018 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4627801)
I was actually talking about F-2 Speedy, the guy who diagnosed your issue. Glad it was a simple fix.


Oh lol again!

F-2 Speedy 05-22-2018 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Kent (Post 4627792)
The boat does have a 23 Mirage Plus. Took off the drive shower and it ran perfect!!! Wow! Thanks to everyone for responding.

Glad you got it fixed


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