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Originally Posted by Tres
(Post 2384848)
Best to let this issue go away.
Yes, I agree. And I'm sure Fred Cecil hopes so too! Now that I think about it, screw Fred. TTT! :D |
Has Monster marine been in contact with any of the people who have purchased parts from Fred but haven't received them yet? They've clearly taken over the operations of Trick, one would assume they have also assumed the liabilities.
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Chris,
Dont assume they take the liabilities Many times these deals are done assuming assests without assuming any liabilities I am sure that is what has happened here |
Fred can do a BULK SALE TRANSFER, which it SEEMS he did... no liability's go with that...
now, is it a coincidence that TRICK Marine wasn't named on purpose from the get go.. perhaps not.. |
Originally Posted by boatme
(Post 2387164)
Chris,
Dont assume they take the liabilities Many times these deals are done assuming assests without assuming any liabilities I am sure that is what has happened here Fred's "backdoor bankruptcy" stinks. I hope the creditors get together on this and stop him. |
Originally Posted by BUIZILLA
(Post 2387165)
Fred can do a BULK SALE TRANSFER, which it SEEMS he did... no liability's go with that...
now, is it a coincidence that TRICK Marine wasn't named on purpose from the get go.. perhaps not.. Check Article 6 of the UCC. This is now an act of fraudulent conveyance, which is a crime. Gaffrig is now a co-conspirator in this act. |
UCC 6 should only apply if Fred legally filed a Chap 11 or 7 petition?? at which time the assets and creditors are stipulated..
so, did Trick file a Chap 11 or 7 petition before the transfer?? has he filed 11 or 7 since the transfer, or even at all ?? if he didn't, or the bulk sale including web rights were sold before the petition(s) was filed, then it's perfectly legal what he/they did... underhanded > absolutely illegal > no |
Originally Posted by BUIZILLA
(Post 2387187)
UCC 6 should only apply if Fred legally filed a Chap 11 or 7 petition?? at which time the assets and creditors are stipulated..
so, did Trick file a Chap 11 or 7 petition before the transfer?? has he filed 11 or 7 since the transfer, or even at all ?? if he didn't, or the bulk sale including web rights were sold before the petition(s) was filed, then it's perfectly legal what he/they did... underhanded > absolutely illegal > no |
Article 6 has nothing to do with bankruptcy. In fact, Article 6 was put in place for exactly the reason we're discussing here. It's to prevent backdoor bankruptcy and to protect ALL the creditors..
A bulk sale would require registration of the sale, the notification of all creditors and their approval. It also places verification requirements on the buyer. These things have time schedules- it would take months to put one together and execute it. Brush up on your reading- http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/6/article6.htm#s6-101 Or in less-legalese- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_transfer |
Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin
(Post 2387205)
A bulk sale would require registration of the sale, the notification of all creditors and their approval. It also places verification requirements on the buyer. These things have time schedules- it would take months to put one together and execute it.
so, I ask again, please answer this question, has Trick filed for 7 or 11??? if so, was the transfer done before or after the petition was filed... BTW Chris, I have been involved as a WINNING plaintiff (plaintiff, so pay carefull attention here) in two of these cases, I have personal case history, I will NOT argue with you whatsoever, logged case history overrides any damn thing you want to think, I don't need to brush up on anything... JH |
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