Bet they have, or heard about it!!!

ASM cant even get a car motor right!
 

I have a SRT8 jeep that I wanted supercharged... Should have done "more" homework and I would have found out that they were about done!

They shipped half the supercharger kit, then charged me for overnight two weeks later for the rest of the parts!

The tune was so bad it wouldnt run, emailed the tune back and forth about 12 times... Dyno tuning left and right...Thought we were close...Then Jim (ASM) quit responding. Popped the motor...We tested all the injectors and found out that we had 10 bad! They were suposed to be new from ASM!

I think they are selling out all the return crap from the back bins now.

Filed a complaint with BBB, but he got out of it, stating it was past the 30 day "from purchase" warranty. It wasnt worth the time to deal with this idiot.

Stay Away!!!

This thread is a proof statement that marine EFI is not a very good DIY project for most. IMO, marine EFI needs to to calibrated in the boat with the necessary software and by someone with proven EFI skills. Is it worth the risk to save the $500-$1000 a pro would charge to dial in your boat?

Also, why would anyone do business with this company? This just makes me sick....

When I did a google search ,this thread came up 3rd. I m thinking if the title read Arizona speed & marine Bad Buisness!!!! it would grab a searchers eye better, just think if a person is just searching for there site for info or phone # it might grab more attention.


My thread is titled this way,so anyway a person searchs it, it will show up:D
'''McLeod Design Interiors **Bad Business**''''

Arizona Speed and Marine---BAD BUSINESS
 

These guys--or more precisely, this guy-- has changed the business name to only "Arizona Speed". He sold, and moved out of, his shop in Chandler, Arizona back in April (09). He happily took my boat in to have Whipples placed on the 525's--even drove me to the airport. This was September 2008. Without even whispering anything about his imploding business,(and we had frequent e-mail and phone conversations) he finally had the boat "done" in March 2009. Well, it was anything but done. I have spent over 20K and much of the summer trying to make the boat run. I don't have anything nice to say about "Arizona Speed". Avoid this place!
It's funny, I saw this thread back in February, i was planning on posting what a spectacular job ASM had done for me. Not so much now.

AZ speed provided me with the WORST experience ever! Stay clear!!

We are always available..........
 

This is a plug for MARINE & SPEED. We are always ready and able to take on serious projects. We have a modest facility with all the special tools we need. we also have a Turbine tech at our disposal for the crazy fast guys. We don't play games and we always answer the phone, (or at least return the call ASAP) sundays, late night, early morning etc... TRY IT. Please visit our website.

We don't "reprogram" ECM's, we troubleshoot & diagnose. If your having trouble with an ECM that can't be resolved with a reflash (Mercury) then it will be replaced or sent to the respective manufacturer for supplemental diagnostics, beit Mercury, Sterling, Cobra, CDI etc... We don't claim to nor do we want to manufacture or replace ECM's that's not what we do.

If you want your boat to go faster and/or crazy fast we will do it the right way and gaurantee you will be able to reach us anytime with any questions you have. We work on an estimate basis, you pay as we go. We try very hard to not ask for any monetary commitments before work has begun. All of our work is gauranteed and we will go out of our way to accomodate your needs and desires, professionally, competently and without compromise for your sanity.

Valium and Xanax are not necessary.

I Will tell everyone...Stay away from Arizona speed. They do terrible work, and dont stand behind anything they do. They are the worst business in performance work. Take your your stuff any place but here!!!!!!

********BAD BUSINESS*********

Soon or later you would figure they would run out of suckers to screw:eek::drink:

Add one to the list
 

ROACHED MY MOTORS - DO NOT USE THIS AZSM - USE TYLER CROCKETT RACING

$700 !!
 

Wow I must have gotten a deal, Jim only charged me $600 - oh and yes, I had to buy 16 more custom JE Pistons, same valves and a a complete rebuild - only cost me around $15K

Marks great but as soon he touchs you ecus he locks them so no,one can get in there ,My freind bought Doc Holidays 500 efi,s that Mark rebiult we wanted to make some changes we cant get in to the ecu he wont give up password

:eek::eek: He now makes license plates for a long time!!!!!

You dont need the pass word just erase it and put your own program in it.
Thats what we have to do, when they come to us, they have the merc pass word in them.
We did not rebuild Docs 500s we just put our program in so it would run.
Not being a jerk but we have many years worth of time in our cals and dont want to give them away.

Isn't Mark the computer programmer here.......getting paid for what he knows, not necessarily for what he does? Does Merc give out there password to anyone that calls or do you need to be a Merc tech to get/have that info?

naw .... there are a Gazillon Democrats .......:drink:

Hes a fireman in a orange suit and bubas baby at night !!!! You get what you DESERVE!!!!!! Karma is a ***** !!!!! :eek::eek:

hey ,if you want to talk politics,go to the app place,this is a good thread,don,t try to turn it political.get a life you DICKHEAD.man,you are a real looser.just go away you MORON:bsflag:

Sorry man .. wasnt directed at you ....Just the looser Democrats ...... :drink:

This thread just got even better.... haha... Back on topic, even when i was working on their stuff a few years back we had nothing but problems with it. Fat idle, endless "email reflashes" that never cured anything, and our share of gernaded engines. People should do their reasearch when building a motor and they would see who NOT to go to as there are a bunch of excellent engine builders in the south west.

WOW!!! What entitlement program are you on?

Arizona Speed and Marine is NO GOOD!!!!!
 

Stay clear of AZ Speed. In fact, just send me your several $100's of dollars, and I will promise you several $1,000's saved. My story is too long to bother with details, but it started in '05 and things are not the same today. I guess I shouldn't completely blame that monotone Jim, and his guppy Ben at AZ Speed. There are several members on this site who have actively promoted Arizona Speed and Marine's product line and services from tech to shop owner. I was persuaded, by you CAM, to go with the AZ Speed junk and have it "custom tuned" with that Ingenious software B.S.
I have limited resources in the NW for performance shops as many of the boaters are driven away from "hot boats" due to our 9 months of rain. Regardless on where you are located; take a lighter to your cash before giving it to Arizona Speed, AZ Speed, Arizona Speed and Marine, azspeed-marine.com, or anything that looks a little bit close to these!!:greenchainsaw:

STAY AWAY from AZSM =- COST ME $10K for two rebuilds
 

These guys were so off on EFI calibration, my engines detonated in 5 minutes - GO TO TYLER CROCKET's he is awesome.....

$10k For 2 Rebuilds??
 

WOW, that almost sounds too good to be true. I have heard #'s like $5k to $6k to rebuild big stock power. With a 496HO coming in at around $17k to $18k before any labor (not many has the facility, time, or means to sling these motors around), I would expect that rebuilds can add up quick, not to mention reinstallation labor costs. Did Crocket do both of your rebuilds, and how are yours setup? Sounds like I will need to drag my pig out of state (WA) to get anything done right! I have the original 502 MPI that now has aluminum heads, IMCO Powerflow, some other mild goodies and an older ATI Procharger M1 (older meaning not self contained; oil line is fed from pan), with a smaller ATI pulley that brings boost to approximately 5 to 6 lbs. Hopefully more like 5, but overall setup plays a role so who really knows? Using a MEFI4 from AZ Speed to control it, and it is out of control. Know one knows what to do with this setup or how to use the B.S. Ingenious software (which I unfortunately own). I also bought AZ Speed 50 lb. injectors and I kinda question anything that was ever sold by JIM.
Forget months of lost "hot boating"; I have lost years to the hands of my poor decisions, products and services sold by AZ Speed, and locals who pretend to know what they are doing!!
Here is the kicker: My dream is to have my Commander idle all day around islands without the load up issue (flooded engine on Labor Day sucks bad). The money that has been shelled out over the years for my current power package could have bought me a new 525 EFI (maybe even in Joyze Poypole to match the boat)!!
STAY AWAY FROM AZ SPEED .PERIOD:throw:

Does anyone have anything good to say about their products? I am not talking about them doing any programing of any kind. I am talking if I buy their system and have someone else do the tuning.

I am using their Ramjet intake for BBC and their high flow billet throttle body[1030 cfm].Also bought their larger billet fuel rails.Someone else did the programming on the dyno with MEFI BURN system.Works great and made good power.Hardware was fine.He did have a cam made for me that was not what I asked forand wasn't billet,just hardened.My engine builder had comp make a cam.The engine made 606hp/660tq.

This is the same route I was going to take. Glad to here it is ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nmrs5ieVec



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dump:drink::drink:

I bought a pair of AZSM efi packages for a pair of 502's for one of my 31' cats equipment was good , calibration was TERRIBLE ! Tyler recalibrated the ecu's and all was fine.
If you have issue's Crockett Marine engine is the place to go,
good honest guy !

and if you are close to LA or MS Mark at Precision is the other guy to go to..

http://www.pmefi.com/

AZ Speed's assembly area looks like someone's unkept garage! I am convinced that those clowns couldn't have known my MEFI unit from another. They probably just pulled mine out of a heap of junk on Monday morning, attempted to program it (for like the 4th time), and ship it while being proud that their useless service just landed them another several hundo!!:angry-smiley-055:

I have just had my ECM reprogrammed by ASM, along with flow testing the injectors. They also picked the roller cam I should use. I just became aware of this site and quite frankly, you guys have me scared to death. I'm in Wisconsin, where should I go that is local?

I cant believe someone hasnt kicked his a** and why the hell are they still doing work?

Fixx
 

theirs a guy in ingleside next to fox lake il that does it..i think he will need your boat and tune's it on the water...Water and wheels..847-973-9085 ask for keith..

Fixx
 

Well i was misinformed by power source in fox lake.. just trying to help a guy out...

Asm
 

I had ASM do my engine package and tune. Everything runs great. No problems with my supercharged stroked 454 efi. I did take the boat to him, so they could put it on the dyno and tune. I sent the box back to him once to add some full. One day turna around. Always awnsers my calls and silly questions.

Thing's that make you go Hummmmm!
i just started to do a little home work where to buy a MIFI3 for my 575sci and ASM was and i say was on the short list as where to buy one.
Can Mercury reflash them or once they are screwed up they go in the deep 6??

Jim at asm built my engine...it screams...very pleased...put thirty hours on it this season! but when it comes to tuning imo u need some one that can run your boat on the lake. Hook up an o2 sensor and program while running on the lake underload especially if there are mods done......imo a lot of people get in trouble sending their units in to get programmed then they run too lean and detonate and do all kinds of nasty things to pistons and so on. I had my boat tuned by asm ...and decided to make some changes and had Paul Pfaff tune it on the lake. The boat lives in California so it was easier then taking it back to phoenix.