Ryan8886

Sorry....but Lars just don't sound quite right...and that's coming from a guy who was recent'y screwed outta 15k on repairs...so I oughta know...or..then again...maybe I AIN'T the guy to listen to. lol....either way...just a damn shame if someone let that boat turn into a bathtub.

PURPLE HORNET

TO larslindroth

Sorry maybe I am just a A-hole but what does your wife's illness haft to do with anything here. Or anybody else's illness or the fact somebody passed away. I am sorry for any health issues you have or the death of anybody. Do you want to here about my wife's surgeries in the last year or about the last 3 funerals I went to in the last 4 weeks. I did not think so. But we are talking about a boat you are selling or " WAS SELLING AND NOW ITS FREE TO THE GUY WITH THE BEST BS STORY"

Somebody is a liar here and the questions I asked were a way for me to feel on both sides of the story. Being nether party would answer I feel both or full of BS.

Besides what I have read on your back post that boat gets no response from anybody after you told them what you have. Maybe the scrap pile is not worth anything only in your dreams. And if you did have craps loads of cash you would pay somebody to fix it and keep it in a decent place out of the rain.

Sentimental value is only priceless to one person and worthless to anybody else.

nopostduece

not to be redudent but still a little PO after getting worked up writing the post below on donzi.net. i also want to clear up me leaving my tools behind. witch gets the fire burnin! i have been in the auto repair industry for 15 years. maybe you get out your whole $400 tool box to do some wrenching. i left more like a grad+ sitting there on the ground.... industry standard tools not crapsman! thank god my bore scope, breaker bar and 4rails of sockets would not fit in the bag. im sure a few of you understand bring tools on a 3800 mile road trip 1/2 of witch towing 5tons on a trailer stated to have "issues" but told on the phone "i think its fine". i had been between this yard and the hotel 35miles out of the bay area (nothing but b&bs close by) the pub ect,ect in a 24 hour time frame! i was in reno its was dark and i was not going back!!! at that point i sacrificed my tools to get the h*ll out of CA.


The item was substantially not as described - full of water, parts uncovered in the weather, had not even been seen by the seller in how ever long ect,ect,ect,ect....

countless phone call were made, messages were left, we had prior correspondence through email. I guess it slipped your mind how paypal works, my email addy and phone # are listed there.

copy and past from your post above from the auction i won.......

"Boat is to be PAID IN FULL WITHIN 7 DAYS of auction ending to complete the sale. ONLY money order or CERTIFIED U.S. or Canadian Bank check accepted as payment method. I have title for this boat free and clear. ONLY PAYPAL is accepted as payment method for the required $500 down payment and is due within 48 HOURS of auction ending. Buyer will have to pick up boat within a week of completion of sale."

the auction was over on dec 24@10:00 pm my time. i was at the yard on dec30@4:30pm 1890 miles from my home on new years eve. i did as instructed in your auction to the T. its now feb 2@ 10:30 pm no money has hit may paypal.....

ITS APPARENT THIS IS WHAT IT TOOK TO RECOUP MY FUNDS!!!!

SURE I COULD HAVE LET PAYPAL HANDLE IT AND I WOULD HAVE. BUT I SAW YOU HAD RELISTED NOT ONCE - BUT TWICE! JUST TRYING TO SAVE THE NEXT POOR SOB FROM GOING THROUGH WHAT I DID.

SO SAVE FACE... IM SURE YOU HAVE FRIENDS IN THE POWER BOATING BUSINESS AND ON THESE BOARDS THAT HAVE YOUR BACK.

I HAVE PICS AND VID TOO AND BET ILL POST THEM...
WHILE IM BETTIN, ILL BET THE $500 (if i ever see it) THAT BI**H IS STILL FULL WATER TO THE CUSHIONS IN THE V BIRTH. I DONT BET UNLESS IM SURE. no drain holes in the bulkheads, or under any of the structures from the cockpit floor forward. not even one in the transom speedos there. you told me there was another owner between you and the "avatior". so how long has it been in the weather? looks like weeds grown up and around the trailer in the pics that surfaced on OSO. only place that got pumped out in my presents was the floor. unless its "rained a time or two" again. if so through some fish in it and start a hatchery, they will be happy with the amount of algae up there... oh thats right its been so dry it smells like the desert, i forgot!!!!

ILL BASH YOUR A** ON EVERY BOATING FORUM IN EXSISTENCE UNTIL I GET MY MONEY!!!

IM NOT SURE HOW YOU GOT YOUR "PLENTY" OF MONEY MR. BIG BALLIN VIKING!!! BUT I WORKED FOR MINE IN THE TEXAS HEAT!!! YOU MAY BE IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING AWAY SALVAGED BOATS, BUT IM NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF GIVING AWAY MY HARD EARNED MONEY!!! $5 OR $5K I DONT GIVE HAND OUTS TO STAND UP CLOWNS LIKE YOU!!!

nopostduece

to answer your question, when asked $$ amount owed the yard guy said he would have to look at the books. seemed to me the rate was $200 a month for the buddy deal. when i told the viking, wait THE VIKING the yard dude said someone is paying back rent before this thing moves. he said it was up to date and the rent money was in the mail for the next month but go ahead and give him $200 cash if he give you any more poop. none of witch added up to me. it was also said there was a large down payment for DRY STORAGE and shop space for the pallets of parts to keep them out of the weather.

when i asked the yard guy about pallets of parts he walked around aimlessly for a bit, then made his way to one of the many pallets at this place and says thats it. then starts going through it making a keeper pile...... is how i looked at my friend of 20years i just drug across 5 states, he looks back the same i ask where are the trannys..... looks around a bit....... points just a few feet a way among the many pallets/piles of parts. all the while telling us about how he strips the abandon boats cuts them up and hauls them off in a pickup. keeping/selling the parts and trailers. sells some whole with no titles because its a pain to get storage leins!!! i just nodded my head......

(no beef with this guy, he has none of my money and thats not my pond in his lot.. if you walked in the yard you could make your own observations. i asure you he is not shy and would tell you the same story, the later in the day the better it would get)

besides im sure he is thanking me for the tools.......

Skullkrusher

Nopost,
I could see your side if you had answered a classified ad but you didn't, you bid in an auction. When you have the high bid in an auction, YOU BOUGHT IT! The time to inspect it was before you bid. You could have hired a surveyor, but you didn't. You could have asked someone from OSO check it out for you, but you didn't. You could have flown out and looked for yourself, but you didn't. What you did do is promise to buy it if your bid was highest. Granted the storage fees are sellers problem, but if he had title ready you were obligated to purchase regardless of anything else.

I'm not saying that boat is worth one nickel, just that in an auction, it is up to you to figure out beforehand.

prostock85

All I want to know is, "where can I get a high end set of tools for only $400??" My 10-19mm snap on wrench set was near $300, I must be getting ripped off...

VetteLT193

That is impossible in most cases. If you list something on eBay you have to be accurate... that is the purpose of the feedback system and the fundamental core of eBay... that people need to be honest with each other. If you buy a GPS, ipod, or any other item off of ebay that is listed as "brand new" and it comes to you used and broken do you assume that you had your chance to inspect it before hand? NO. Same goes for boats and cars. If it was properly listed and the buyer backs out, now that is a different story.

FIRST AFENCE

+1

larslindroth

Dear fellow boaters.
I definitely would continue this thread on OSO, but this fellow, nopostduece (Spencer), is not really worth the effort anymore. He has decided to lie, fabricate stories, change past events etc. to whatever suits him at any given time.
Back to Your questions and comments, which are more important. The only reason I mentioned my wife's illness is because my friends asked me originally; why are You selling Your boat? I should have realized that potential buyers don't care or even want to hear why, but they almost always ask the question. I just shouldn't have volunteered the fact.
I bought her in August 2008 after I came back from Europe and the Round Britain 2008 race. The boat had actually been stored for 12 years in an air-craft hangar in Nevada. Since my friend Steve has the same Larry Smith 9 Meter model and he loves it, we decided to pick this unusual one up. All my other boats are now turn-key, so I thought it be fun to finish this easy project up since it was all there. We decided to take her to Steve's old friend who's got the yard mentioned. They hadn't socialized for a few years and I nowadays live in greater Los Angeles area, so this would be a good way to get together more often. Well my wife had her bad back injury a month later, Steve started having heart issues.
My wife has had to start learning how to walk and she's not comfortable with other people assisting her, so We do this together. The boat in the meantime was put away in Steve's "OLD FRIEND'S" place. I made sure she was tucked away right. Saw the boat, 6 months later, in spring of 2009. Decided I'll keep her, everything was still fine. Kept sending the $200 every month, which is very reasonable out here. In August 2009 my wife was still in really bad shape and with little prospect to do much better for quite some time I finally decided to put the boat up for sale. Jumped on a plane to San Francisco for the day, had the boat pulled out, took the photos for the ad and put her back again.
After coming home I got second thoughts about selling her and put it off since my wife insisted that I should stick to my boats and all the friends around it. She said, "by the time I eventually get better You have something to fall back on and We could maybe even get something a little more comfortable then so I can come along?", got to love her! Well my friend Steve started having more health issues and this boat was all about us eventually having some quality time together, so in December I just stuck it on eBay. Never dreaming that there was something not right up there in San Rafael. That the yard-owner had started moving several boats and other equipment around some time in Nov./Dec. without telling Us effected is maybe not that strange, but the way he left boats etc. laying around unprotected is a little hard to swallow. I feel sorry for him in a way, he was well respected and I liked him originally, but his old friend Steve has no pity for him at this point and has decided to never speak or see the guy again. Sure paid him for rent all these months and he almost managed to get the January rent too, since it was mailed early, because in the "sale of the boat ad" I mentioned that continued "storage" could most likely be arranged. No rent has therefor been paid for January and won't be 'till I get up there in a week time to see what really took place. Spencer (nopostdeuce) promised me he was going to take plenty of photos of the water in the cabin as a thank You to me for letting him have her for $3,300 instead of the original auction price, while he was there giving me the bad news on the phone those two days. Even though he decided that he was happy at that point I wanted the photos since I liked to have evidence that the yard-owner had costed me $2500 of the now re-negotiated auction selling price. What a nightmare for all involved! He never made good on that promise either. He took off and called my friend Steve three hours later and asked if Steve could arrange to retrieve his tools he left behind. Steve had a 1 1/2 hour drive each way to handle that. No tools were found left behind. I also personally think Spencer could have driven the 3 hours to pick up a claimed $400 worth of personal tools, but it must be something about that story none of Us will ever figure out either, only Spencer knows the truth. He was then incommunicado for almost a month. I left at least 3 phone messages for him and one for his girlfriend back home in Texas, nothing back. Then a month later he left me one phone message at about 7:30 AM on a Sunday in which he said he'd lost two of his phones! Why couldn't he check his messages? He still didn't leave his new phone number, but just a no good email address in his message. I sent him a message on eBay that should have reached his email for sure where I offered to either stick the $500 straight into a possible account off his if he could let me know with whom he banks, so he'd have the money faster than through pay-pal. I wish in hindsight that I at that point just not would have bothered to be extra helpful, but instead just pressed the paypal button and get it done. Somehow I thought he'd call me back? A week went by and then I was informed that somebody was hammering me all over the Internet. All of a sudden he's available everywhere, but not on the phone or by PM. My friends are now trying to tell me not to pay him the $500 I still wanted to hand back.
Still not convinced the boat is O.K., even after I arranged for a marine surveyor to sneak on the lot on a Sunday and use his moisture meter and vast experience to evaluate it. He was convinced it's solid and nothing to worry about, but I'm not sure of too many things around this any more. It is was it is. You're right about sentimental value though, it has some for me, but not much or to the extent that it clouds my judgment of what it was worth before this incident sometime at the end of 2009. I own and have owned enough boats to have a decent idea, but it's not relevant any more in this case. The boat has historical value, but who truly cares about that either these days, except old school freaks like myself. Put both sentimental and historical value aside and she's just a liability and not an asset at this point in time for me. The two sets of perfect props, cost 4 x $1,200 and the two large, brand new in boxes, classic Richie compasses a' $725 each are still usable for sure, but not of much good on this specific boat if she's now just a potential fish hatchery that Spencer was willing to pay $3,200 for after thoroughly checking things out those two days on-site.

Regards, Lars.

P.S. I continuously do upgrade, pamper and lovingly care for my boats and as You can see, most of them are not very large or pretentious $$$ either. D.S.

VetteLT193

To avoid future problems:

1) If you want to sell something large like a boat or car you need to be there in person when the buyer comes to pick it up.
2) If you can't be there in person, refer to rule #1.


It looks to me that even after you heard there was water in the boat you re-listed it on eBay without mentioning the water and you still haven't seen the boat yet??????? The main problem with this transaction is there was water in the boat. All the other BS from both parties is moot. If there was water in the boat, which it seems both parties agree to, the initial eBay deal is over.

Listings after the water was discovered in the boat I would imagine would include at least a mention of possible water damage -OR- at least I'd expect that you had seen the boat by the time you re-listed it to check the problem out. I'm sorry but that makes you, Lars, out to look like the one that is pulling some crap here.