Maybe if its looked at with different victims people might get it.

There were three significant groups here that asked for donations through the winter.

We had a prominent well liked boat salesperson looking for support here asking for money.
We had a group that was going to jump in the ocean mid winter in a "polar bear" style fundraiser.

And then there was the request for help for NYC Ronald Macdonald House.

How would this place have reacted if after watching those requests for donations, there was a thread started by one of those individuals that your hard earned money was absconded with by someone??

I very clearly understand those boardmembers that have decided to stay on. I actually get it.

Despite what they have read , they feel the place is theirs, not his and are hoping beyond hope that this will go away and they can continue building something that they love. Thats not the conclusion I came to as well as others. It cant exist with Chris Sunkins involvement.
If you are into altering bank statements and not being transparent about collecting money for kids with cancer how can you expect to do honest business in the future with advertiser money.

Heres something I dont get though. Those that pre exist, I understand ( dont agree, but understand), but those people that are now joining the boardroom either cant read English or have suspect agendas.

To those that wish to have this dropped and move on or are tired of reading it...the section that this is being posted in is clearly marked and the titles of the threads are well known by now. Ignore all this and go enjoy the other threads on the board.

This wont be dropped by those that were involved. And it will never be dropped by me who paid for the room in question in the first place and then matched the donation because I didnt believe the $$ amount.
Not going to happen.

Now YOU get it Alec.

When the MDA fundraiser popped up, I was the first guy in with a nice sized donation. And then I made calls and e-mails and PM's to get the ball rolling.

When the CBPBA fundraiser hit, I was there again, doing the exact same thing. Donations to multiple members and efforts to get the ball rolling for them.

The Ronald McDonald house in NYC- same thing again.

Go check the threads and the links to the fundraising efforts. It's all there.

So for a lying, thieving scumbag, I seem to put my efforts and my money where my mouth is.

At the same time, I've had people from throughout the industry and the sport thrusting money at me since we started this thing. I've not taken a nickle from any of the, I told them the same thing I told you repeatedly- it'll come in due time. If I really wanted money, I'd have just taken it. Your lust for money and position were no help and often a hindrance. You scream and shriek at "this is a BUSINESS" and how we have to move forward. You never got it- it's supposed to be fun. If someday it supports itself, that's great.

So we're back to where we started- who's money do I have?

I'm glad you understand why the current mods and board have stuck around. They're the one's that truly love the site and what we're doing. They're the one's you can't bully with threats of doing to them what you think you're doing to me. And I feel bad for those who just got tired of your relentless browbeating. Why can't you just leave people alone to make their own choices about what they want to do with their fun time?

You made two mistakes. First, you thought I'd care about what you'd say about me. If someone believes your pre-fab monsense, they're not someone I care to associate with or have around me anyway. Second, you assume everyone in the sport would follow you and your group of 3 or 4 fringe nutcases if you had a sensational story and you shouted it long enough and loud enough. Unfortunately for you, the longer and louder you scream, the kookier you're beginning to look.

I love it when you come out here with your BS and your foot in your mouth.

If you donated any money between December and March 30 2010, it was the money you kept from the charity you attempted to rip off.
And it was NOT your money. It was members money.

And if you send out requests to advertisers for ad $$ like you have been recently, it is A BUSINESS.

Stay here , its easier.

While you are posting today, prove the donations totalled 2650.00

You are delusional, I guess that happens from years of telling lies that you actually believe them. I'm quite sure you make vroom vroom noises while piloting your countless offshore boats in your dreams. If you dont care what people are saying about you, then why do you log in here? There is no pre fab nonsense either, the only thing prefabbed is your lies, written and told by you. If everyone is throwing money at you, then why are you still flying pirated banners on your site? post your new list of advertisers all I hear is crickets chirping. As has been said numerous times, people are free to post where ever they choose, the web is full of mediocre sites that have a following, good for them, yours is another that will fall into that category, actually you should change the name, the only thing serious about the place is the BS that you are trying to sell... go get help chris, your multiple personalities and lieing has gotten to you.

Be careful!

Some of those exact same people with nefarious intentions could try a 'hostile takeover'.

You know-- try to take something that you own by offering you $$$ for it. Hostile money.

Wait, what...???

I'm glad you understand why the current mods and board have stuck around.

I'll tell you 1 reason.

Because you are still deceiving them.
They lok at your manufactured post count and see that despite the onslaught, SOS is still showing good numbers.

They look at how many people appear to be online.

Try turning your clock back to 15 minute refresh like the rest of the industry does.
Those watching SOS activity think that at some times of the day there are 175 people online.
Not true. Chris Sunkin has the refresh set at 1 hour.

Just more deceit towards those that are standing by your side.

If its just a playground and just for sh!ts and giggles why do you need 2 passwords to get into the back room??

OK back to proving the charity $$$. We are all waiting.

Same here. I have saved all my Chris bashing for OSO. So much for checking your attitude at the door:evilb:

Chris - no response on the altered bank document?

There is no response from Chris, so lets ask each of the current boardmembers to explain it and ask them on behalf of SOS to produce the quantification of $ 2650.00.

Dont support the deceit in a backroom. Support it on the street.

It will be good practice for this summer when you are asked in person when people see you at events.

People who are supporting Chris Sunkin need to absorb this. The very bank statement that Chris Sunkin supplied to Alec when first confronted about the Charity Check bouncing issue has been shown on this thread to be a forgery. Chris Sunkin reads this thread, posts on this thread, yet doesn't say a word about his very own bank statement being altered? HUH?

If you were in his shoes and had a reasonable explaination to account for this bank statement would you not be shouting it? Just like when Chris could have easily cleared his name about inventing the numerous boats that he claims to own and operate by simply providing proof, he didn't because he doesnt' own them - and never did. Likewise, he'll post on here and argue with ALec tooth and nail in a he-said/she-said point that can't be proved because it's his word against Alec's, yet he has nothing to say when his very own bank statement has been shown a forgery?

There is a clear patter here. When Chris Sunkin knowns that he's been caught in a lie he just dodges the issue; he simply pretends that the issue does not exist so as not to draw any more attention to it because he knowns that he's been caught.

What a twisted sob.

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I thought you like horses!!! :D :D

Cant believe you brought that up. One of my favorites. I'll have to go through it again, but if I remember correctly you were too busy at that time to fight back. I think a few people are still waiting! :drink:

why dont we have an accountant we all trust, look at that document... that should put all this to rest... all this bullsh it makes all the boards look like were a bunch of as sholes.... we all dont have to like each other, we all dont have to visit the same boards but soon enough people will meet up face to face.. some people will have problems and others will not. all this keyboard toughguy sh it is foolish, cause face to face most of what is being said would not. only one way this should have been settled and that was face to face.. regardless of what happened, this is all pretty stupid.... everyone knows what side im on. i understand what the guys did and why they did it, i dont happen to agree with it, nor like how they did it but i respect the move.. choose a side be a man and enough already. you have your reasons, ill have mine and let it be done. all this keyboard baby bull sh it is foolish and makes ua all look bad... i live by a pretty simple rule, dont type what you wont say to someones face.. most of you know me and know ill tell you right to your face i think you're an as shole.. so, lets get this right and move the f uck on.....

Stecz............this is about Chris Sunkin, not any "boards" at all! At least get that part straight. What "side" are you on? I don't get that.....this is only about Chris Sunkin being a fictional person.

Yes, you are still an a$$hole and no one can take that from you! :D :D

Dave Stecz is a friend of mine and I agree whole heartedly what he says.
He declared his position with me on day 1 and hasnt altered it at all.

Probably why I care for him.

Dave

No one needs an accountant.
The man used an altered document to hide the fact that he knew all along that he stiffed a charity.

He has been asked to quantify the members donations to a total of 2650.00. He hasnt,

Forget every other topic for a sec. How does that work with you?

So everyone knows Dave is in a similar business as I am.
He starts at 530-6 and I talk to him on his way home at 9 sometimes.
What he says to me I take as gospel.

We disagree on all this but with respect.

He also knows me well enough that I'm never moving on or going away.

When Chris Sunkin has left this sport for good, it will be the day I stop.

well that is something we can all agree on:party-smiley-004::kiss::evilb::eek:

and you are still 4'8"....:evilb::evilb:

I agree 100%..I refuse to let a proven liar and thief dictate anything to me... the people that know me know that I am a person of my word and my convictions.

how are you involved with (Chris Sunkin).. alec, ted, craig, rob yes, what dog you have in this fight. why are you so vocal about this.... i was quiet until i saw a pic of me posted. ill settle that myself, i dont need a board behind me to take care of a problem.. when i see him ill address it....

Dont change the subject. I asked you a question.

How do you stand on stiffing kids??

And why havent you and the other current supporters demanded answers re quantifying the dollar amounts ?

We can let the other topics come back up to the front later.

Chris Sunkin tried to avoid making good on a check to a kids hospital. He supported his attempt with an altered document.

That isnt your style. I know it isnt. Explain how you support all that.
And please dont insult our intelligence with it isnt true, or he made a mistake.
You work too hard every day to sit back and support someone that doesnt leave his house all day.

alec, i told you how i stand.. i understand you, rob and the other guys with a problem how did this get where nort jay and everyone else is so caring all of a sudden... i never remeber nort ever getting involved in a drama issue... he never got involved in big scotty, troutly, theres a good one.. how many of you guys shut your faces when your good buddy troutly was getting put away or your good friend fred.....

lots of sh it sliging here.... alec say what you have to say, rob you as well.. i knew rob was doing this over a year ago.. i told rob same as i told you alec, your big boys do what you have to do.... but why all these others that have 0 to do, or have 0 first hand information about the situation.....

people should keep their noses out of shi t that does not concern them......

Come on Dave, wake up. do you for one second think that they liked investing their time and effort into a site to be lied to? for christs sakes I've heard sunkin bad mouth you right to my face. what part of he is a piece of sh!t don't you get? You're too smart of a guy to hang around the likes of him because his slime is going to wind up sticking to you to a point where it wont come off.
Yea, you knew a year ago when i warned you he was no good, and then look aside from every other word coming out of his mouth being a lie, he is a thief too. damn man, a year ago, and then he stole, wtf else do you need?

get this...he used you!!!! and your contacts and attitude to build his false personna via the site. plain and simple.

Nort recognizes the fact that just because Chris Sunkin didnt stiff the charity he works for he still feels anyone that does that cant be around any longer.

But with respect my friend dont bulls hit yourself or me by avoiding my questions. I'll ask you for the third time, how do you personally stand beside Chris Sunkin and support that behaviour.

Same question I have asked of former boardmembers.

They asked themselves the question and quit.

Remember when you had a problem with hospital bills and sickness close to you??
What would you have done if a bunch of friends raised some money SPECIFICALLY for that............and someone stole the money??

Answer the question.

It doesn't take an accountant to figure out that the bank document has been altered but since you asked...........I'm an accountant and IMO that bank document is altered.:grinser010: I also question the validity of the charitable receipt as it is not a "qualified charitable reciept" for federal income tax purposes. Thats not uncommon for smaller charities, but for a $2,600 check to Columbia University - it is uncommon. If you want proof as to my credentials just ask the Texoma crew.

Your arrogance is making you look foolish by trying to justify this fraud's behavior. Your just pissed because you fell for Chris's BS. You'd rather believe its not true because your own pride won't let you believe otherwise. Choosing sides is for sheeple. I state my opinion because thats what I believe, not what someone else believes.

Your arrogance is making you look foolish by trying to justify this fraud's behavior. Your just pissed because you fell for Chris's BS. You'd rather believe its not true because your own pride won't let you.
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I got used...not too proud to admit it. All part of a plan of deceit and gaining and maintaining credibility.

Stecz ....your involvement with him currently is probably the single greatest part of the cred he still has.

Call me. Lets yell at one another.

As I had said in an earlier thread, at one time I fell for it..fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...you can bet your ass it wont happen twice.

what i find funny... everyone left oso, what a sh it site it was, many were so vocal about putting oso down and sticking it to ib.... many came back here with their tails betwwen their legs... many treated heather like shi t when they left, its all very funny how everyone is back here for the sole reason for this.... behind the keryboard is not the way to handle this, nor will it be.... there was a better way for all this to go down, and all this is just one more smear on all of us... makes everyone look like jerks.... all of this should have been handled like men, not like 3 yr olds....

ill answer your question when you take me to dinner next week.. ill answer it on the phone.. here is not where men settle their problems.. this is where we blow off steam, here is where we meet friends from accross the country we have not seen in a year to throw a few back... here is what we made to get away from the 16 hour days, and where we escape to when you have the teamsters breaking your balls every other day...

other than that, here is just a board, a meeting place, plain and simple.....

A three year old wouldnt let someone steal from kids.

I'll ask you for a fourth time to answer my question.

if someon wants my answer heres my phone number...
201-772-8089

wanna talk, no problem, leave your tough guy sh it at the door and i wont have to beat your ass......:lolhit:

Ya a board simple all right ...that is sending out requests for money currently.

Wake up.

I'll come and find ya for dinner though.

I'll bring some friends and we can go over all this.
Get Chris to show up.

I'll buy and bring a photographer to document it.

I'll ask Dollabill.

yep, you are correct, when oso was sold and then all the tech issues started happening we rolled we all blamed IB. I for one never treated Heather like sh!t and continued to come here but mainly posted over there, BUT when I came here I was always respectful of the site and didn't blast SO all over, many of the others weren't.
Now back to the real issue, this isn't site versus site, its about sunkin being a liar and a thief, he is more of a smear on any of us than competing sites. Answer Alec's question, the fact is you cant. You want to believe his isn't a pile of crap, but you honestly cant say for sure. My daughter needed help at a kids hospital once and I know you feel the same way I do with your son. What kind of a human steals from a childrens charity? you brought up troutly, i bring up Captn Nate in fla, everyone wanted him hung by the closest tree, why not sunkin, why in the hell are you still backing him?

alec if that is what you are so worried about send somone to audit the books... im sure chris will let you audit the paypal account.. cant change what was given to paypal now cant ya....

it all went through paypal...

again im not saying you dont have the right to be pissed, im not saying you dont havethe right to question.... know the right answer before we all hang the guy...

many of us live in glass houses, we all dont live perfect lives and live by the rules per say.. many of us have dirty little secrets like troutly and fred... so, becarful before you throw that stone, someone might uncover some dirtiness about you....

i tell you straight out, im a dirty fuc k.. i dont play fair, and i dont play by the rules.. if you think that makes me a bad guy, good piss off... id never hurt my friends on purpose and ill never stab my buddy in the back... im always there when someone needs me.... and im always up for a good time and some trouble...

bullsh!t he used the forum to lie...live by the forum die by the forum.

and besides, I did call you and told you on the phone...a year ago!..you know my number I've done my calling!

i know you did, and what did i tell you????

same thing im telling you now......

rob you will always be my buddy, i dont always agree with you, but your a big boy and thats the great thing about friends, i dont have to....

if you guys think you uncovered some big ploy to f uck everyone great.. i dont see it nor do i think it holds any water.... it doesnt add up to me....

have someon audit the paypal account, lets get it over with...

if hes a scumbag, let it be said.. other than that you have pieces of what you all think is right.. all who know me know ill stand behind when i f uc k up and i f uck up...

this one, i think you guys have it wrong straight up....

That's funny...I called, and the gentleman who answered sent me here...:evilb::evilb:

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it's not a huge plot, it's everything together, lieing about boats, cars, military service etc etc etc.. it's the fantasy lies and bullsh!t lies for no f'ing reason, the 18+ boats... its all lies lies lies... your not his friend you are a friend "when he needs you" that buddy is a direct quote... I told ya back then and the trail got stinkier since then...looks like sh!t, smeels like sh!t, i sure dont need to taste it.

that 41 apache that all you guys made a big deal about that he never owned... the one that sat in his warehouse....

not one of you guys called me, not one called me to see what i thought, or if i should have anything to do with it an di was the one closest to chris out of all of you..... i had half the answers you searched for cause i knew them... i saw the boat, i walked the warehouse all you guys drilled him about. not one of you guys called me to ask if he was a scumbag, you went behind my back and did waht you felt was right. not one phone call, alec i brought you into the site, same with ted.... you were my idea.... not one phone call.... not only did you piss on my leg, you were wrong about half your facts.. half right off the bat....

i cant answer your question alec, i never saw the paypal accounts.. ill tell you this much, ill stand next to you to audit them and find the fatcs......

the rest of the bull sh it is just that, all hearsay.... i might have a different outlook on all of what your saying if i did not knnow first hand, for things i saw with my own eyes, of things i dealt with myself... i told you thin alec, half of what ted told me i had the real answers to, but no one asked me.. so we are all going off hearsay..


want to audit, lets go ill stand next to you.. if we find out chris stole, ill be first in line to knock the sh it out of him... i told him to his face, when all this came out.. you have anything to tell me... you have anything youto say... i said say it now, if i find out otherwise im gonna kick the sh it out of you... we talked for hours, and what bothers me is i know half of what you guys brough to me was not true, your facts were wrong... if your gonna go off a bounced check, we have all bounced checks, everyone of us.. except for brandon, hes loaded........

its not enough, if the guy is a piece of sh it scammer, your telling me before the site makes $1 hes gonna ruin that for 2 grand come on... me, tommy, alec all of us have offered him money a long time ago, he never took a dollar from any of us.....

it does not ad up for me... bounced check is not stealing, bounced check is a mistake....

how mnay times at runs alec, did he or i or any of us reach into our pockets and match the number.... how many times did i know about him matching the whole number...


sorry, i just dont buy it..... you yourself told me, the only thing that got you thinking was the check, not what the guys told you.. it was the check, the other stuff you did not think made sense...


like i said, ill stand next to ya, ill hold your hand when your auditor goes through the account.... until then, its all babysh it....

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