Originally Posted by stecz20 (Post 3101699)

for the ones who care, i just got off the phone with pay pal.. the only way i was doing this was directly with pay pal not through copies or e mails....

there is one pay pal account, total was

$2760.00
2649.60 with pay pal fees
92 tickets sold...

if anyone wants record of what they gave so they know i have the correct list i have no problem with you calling me. im not gonna post it as im sure people would like to keep private what they gave....

these payment start in july and continue till sept....

dave 201-772-8089

Originally Posted by stecz20 (Post 3101851)

alec, and everyone else if you have ever gone through pay pal you all know its 90% done on line... all i said i have is the paypal account.... for me to print out the pay pal information chris had to give me his username and his password. i told him i would not go off information given to me by him or anyone else.... so i punched in his information and have the print out.. thats all i said i would have for you.. i did what i said id do... not much more to it...

Originally Posted by stecz20 (Post 3101851)

alec, and everyone else if you have ever gone through pay pal you all know its 90% done on line... all i said i have is the paypal account.... for me to print out the pay pal information chris had to give me his username and his password. i told him i would not go off information given to me by him or anyone else.... so i punched in his information and have the print out.. thats all i said i would have for you.. i did what i said id do... not much more to it...

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101799)

GFY

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3101803)

Nice!! You guys are proving Chris' reasons for why he got rid of you!!!


what's the expression.....hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned????? LOL

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101890)

Sunkin was right, you guys do act like a bunch of bullies

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101890)

Sunkin was right, you guys do act like a bunch of bullies

Originally Posted by DollaBill (Post 3101836)

What do you have to do with this? AND are you seriously calling Dave out?? my god you never stop amazing me

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3101894)

Please see post number 276.

Originally Posted by Interceptor (Post 3101908)

1. The bank statement that may be a fraud
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Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3101803)

Nice!! You guys are proving Chris' reasons for why he got rid of you!!!

Originally Posted by Ted G (Post 3101852)

Which is it? Please Dave, stop.

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101803)

Nice!! You guys are proving Chris' reasons for why he got rid of you!!!


what's the expression.....hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned????? LOL

Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 3101927)

Let's review the actions of these two people.

Alec does a stand up gesture and helps organize a charity raffle in SOS's name to help out a childrens hospital. Tickets go on sale in July and Sunkin collects the funds. The raffle is held on Sept 6th - labor day weekend.

After the raffle Alec asks Sunkin for an accounting and a check to give to the kid's charity. Sunkin gives him the run around. Please understand this. The funds have been collected, the raffle has taken place, but Chris Sunkin won't provide Alec with an accounting nor will he give Alec a check for the charity. WHY?

Alec hounds Sunkn through Sept and October to cut him a check but Sunkin just sits on the funds - charity funds, money collected in the name of SOS that is suppose to be presented to a children's charity to help sick kids.

When NOVEMMBER rolls around Sunkin STILL HASN"T WRITTEN A CHECK for the proceds of a charity raffle held on Labor day weekend, so Alec confronts Sunkin and tells him to not even bother coming to the Key West Worlds if he doesn't have a check with him. Sunkin finally writes a check for the Children's hospital on Nov 12th while at KW. Alec on the other hand, feeling that the raffle monies were way low compared to how money tickes they thought were actually sold, writes a check himself and matches the funds.

After being hounded by Alec for months to finally produce a check, Sunkin writes the check on an account that he cleans out and the check bounces.

The bank sends Sunkin notices that he bounced the check but he ignores them, errr, doesn't see them (so he claims). In March Alec finally finds out that Sunkin has bounced the check and confronts him again. Sunkin tells more lies and denies it that the check bounced. Alec knows administrators at the hospital and they say otherwise. Sunkin finally admits that he bounced the check but tells ALec more lies about having fixed the bounced check. Sunkin then lies to the other four founding board members about having fixed the bounced check. The four board members quickly find that Sunkin is telling them yet more lies (via Alec's freinds at the hospital) and the four realize they are dealing with a total patholigical liar so they come up with a buyout offer to remove him from SOS in order to salvage both SOS and their own good names.

Sunkin refuses - the issues is made public in order to warn others of CS character - or rather lack of.

Sunkin then lies to his own members and tells them that he has already fixed the check bouncing issue - After that, finally, on April 12th, Sunkin makes good on the bounced check with a new one...

and you are attacking Alec - the guy who tried to help a kid's charity; who upon finding out that CS is a patholigical liar tried to rid him from the web site and the sport for the good of all of us?

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3101847)

Stecz

Fund Razor said he donated in writing. I have it.

Go check the paypal acct. and see if his name is there.

If it isnt , then he wrote a check . Correct ????

Originally Posted by fund razor (Post 3101945)

Nobody wanted my opinion

Originally Posted by jayboat (Post 3101949)

We still don't.

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101882)

Let's review the actions of these two people.

Alec does a stand up gesture and helps organize a charity raffle in SOS's name to help out a childrens hospital. Tickets go on sale in July and Sunkin collects the funds. The raffle is held on Sept 6th - labor day weekend.

After the raffle Alec asks Sunkin for an accounting and a check to give to the kid's charity. Sunkin gives him the run around. Please understand this. The funds have been collected, the raffle has taken place, but Chris Sunkin won't provide Alec with an accounting nor will he give Alec a check for the charity. WHY?

Alec hounds Sunkn through Sept and October to cut him a check but Sunkin just sits on the funds - charity funds, money collected in the name of SOS that is suppose to be presented to a children's charity to help sick kids.

When NOVEMMBER rolls around Sunkin STILL HASN"T WRITTEN A CHECK for the proceds of a charity raffle held on Labor day weekend, so Alec confronts Sunkin and tells him to not even bother coming to the Key West Worlds if he doesn't have a check with him. Sunkin finally writes a check for the Children's hospital on Nov 12th while at KW. Alec on the other hand, feeling that the raffle monies were way low compared to how money tickes they thought were actually sold, writes a check himself and matches the funds.

After being hounded by Alec for months to finally produce a check, Sunkin writes the check on an account that he cleans out and the check bounces.

The bank sends Sunkin notices that he bounced the check but he ignores them, errr, doesn't see them (so he claims). In March Alec finally finds out that Sunkin has bounced the check and confronts him again. Sunkin tells more lies and denies it that the check bounced. Alec knows administrators at the hospital and they say otherwise. Sunkin finally admits that he bounced the check but tells ALec more lies about having fixed the bounced check. Sunkin then lies to the other four founding board members about having fixed the bounced check. The four board members quickly find that Sunkin is telling them yet more lies (via Alec's freinds at the hospital) and the four realize they are dealing with a total patholigical liar so they come up with a buyout offer to remove him from SOS in order to salvage both SOS and their own good names.

Sunkin refuses - the issues is made public in order to warn others of CS character - or rather lack of.

Sunkin then lies to his own members and tells them that he has already fixed the check bouncing issue - After that, finally, on April 12th, Sunkin makes good on the bounced check with a new one...

and you are attacking Alec - the guy who tried to help a kid's charity; who upon finding out that CS is a patholigical liar tried to rid him from the web site and the sport for the good of all of us?

Originally Posted by fund razor (Post 3101945)

Nobody wanted my opinion when you ran with this idea for the raffle on your own. I felt that it was poorly organized, and I felt that no good would come of it, as I have felt with other unlicensed raffles that I have seen on these forums.

Boy, it's a dam good thing I bought a ticket though, trying to be a good sport. Although I had a feeling that I wouldn't be able to come to KW, as my mom was dying and she ended up passing the last week of October. I must have done one of those courtesy posts when you come back and say "I'm in" or something to encourage others to join in.

Alec, in my opinion, as a professional development officer, it is not appropriate to speak about other people's specific individual philantropic activity. But hey, you sit on a committee, so you are a fundraising expert. Yet you are not experienced enough to know where the boundaries are.

In my experience, people who do not stop to consider the private nature of some people's giving make donations for reasons other than purely philanthropic.

When I donated, by paypal... I didn't expect anyone to violate my privacy over a smear campaign.

I won't be doing any more public philanthropy. The people who are all wrapped up in the public display of philanthropy are in it for other reasons anyway. Egos are why there are names on the sides of hospital buildings, not the love of mankind.
We aren't talking about charity right now for charity's sake, we are prosecuting someone. Call the cops if a crime has been committed.

You may have missed my open letter to you in the boardroom when your key finally stopped working. Perhaps one day I will email it to you, when I give a chit, if I give a chit.


You can buy friends, but you can't buy friendship. And that's why you will be a lonely old man. In a relatively few years.

You made your play. It didn't work out. You can keep pulling hand grenades for the rest of your life, but you reap what you sow, and you have sown enough seeds of discontent to feed an army of azzholes. They will be good company.

Howzabout I stop being called as a witness for the prosecution, Mkay?

Originally Posted by Marginmn (Post 3101927)

Great post.

How anyone can defend Sunkin at this point just blows my mind.

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101799)

You must have a cinder block for a brain or Stecz is giving you a free reacharound for every stupid post you put up. :angry-smiley-038:

There were several dozen people on the dock and 5 or 6 volunteers in the boat or on the dock all day in Ft Myers, helping to load and unload those kids and their families. Alec's boat ran non-stop and anyone who was there can attest to it. I saw Alec hand the attendant his CC at the gas dock that morning when we filled up. If you still require paperwork, you'll just have to follow Alec's instructions.

I can't speak to other expenses, but my personal involvement regarding the installation and later removal of the boat graphics, banner production and photo shoots at the Key West party and the Miami Boat Show party totaled $2700.

All paid by Alec.

You seem completely unable to add anything relevant to this thread, yet you continue to post. I suggest you head over to the stuffed animal thread on sos and have some real fun.

Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 3100917)

Chris, you need to stop posting here for your own good. "Doth protest too much". Shakespeare knew a little about liars.

Before you left OSO to start your own site and become the Donald Trump of websites, you clearly advertised yourself as a pillar of morality. You were the first guy to jump on anyone who even a whiff of impropriety arose from. All these tall stories about how you had the sheriff seize property and halt phony bankruptcy filings, etc etc etc. It's all nonsense. You must know that for 50 bucks, thanks to the internet, all that information is available online. I spent the 50...and low and behold...NOTHING. I few nuisance suits. Mostly against YOU! I guess another saying.."Live by the sword..die by the sword" clearly applies to you.

Then there is the NSF check deal. The one that you made good on. Come on Chris, you HAD TO MAKE GOOD ON THE CHECK. That was the only way you could continue this web of lies and deceit.

I think you truly believe you're smarter than everyone else. That is a trait of pathological liars.

You bloviated on and on in every thread that you could about how you were always at your office at 5am...sometimes working well into the night..checking the finer details of EVERY aspect of your business. Every personal decision you made was scrutinized and well planned. No money was every spent on toys that was borrowed. Any purchase was researched and double checked. This all came FROM YOUR MOUTH. You had people believing your were the Messiah of Morals.

Fast forward. You wait SEVERAL MONTHS to write a check to a charity that YOUR WEBSITE collected for. The check bounces. TWICE. You claim now that you rarely check the P.O. BOX. That the bank account was never reconciled. A simple mistake? It's simply preposterous for you to expect anyone to believe that this business magnate you have claimed to be would not know he wrote a bad check. Furthermore, if you were the guy you claim to be, a personal relationship would exist with your bank. Nobody could be in business as you claimed, buy and sell boats and cars and guns at will, and NOT HAVE A CLOSE BANKING RELATIONSHIP. That said, I'm positive that you would have been told "Hey Mr. Sunkin, your little hobby bank account is overdrawn", during one of your frequent visits or calls to the bank.

The truth is this. You are an average Joe. You haven't owned these boats and trucks you claim to have. It's simply illogical. You are well read, very articulate, and a dangerous liar. Tell me Chris, how do you expect us to believe that an investment was made by you PERSONALLY into SOS that was equal to over half the value of the house you own? And a simple background check shows that you are delinquent on the real estate taxes.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. I think you are playing a personal shell game financially, using funds from the website to pay your personal bills. Now, you have said repeatedly that you have turned down advertising money. And why would you do that if you "needed money"? Because you'd have to answer to these people..and your personal piggy bank would become transparent.

Chris, you can't hide buddy. It’s all out there on the internet. Frankly, I couldn't care less who you are or what you have. However, when you continue to try and maintain this false identity, it gets insulting. You're just not as smart as you think. Liars never are.

Originally Posted by catastrophe (Post 3101988)

Is there a page of instructions on here about how to post that we can point this knucklehead to??

If he's not careful he's going to end up agreeing with the wrong side here......and then we'll all feel as stupid as he is.

Hey Pure Energy, ur not hitting the right buttons when you quote people here.

I dont mind personally but you might be credited with saying something intelligent and that wouldnt be fair to whoevers quote you screwed up.

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3101981)

Put your money where your mouth is. Post the reciepts because I do not believe a word you say!!:kiss:

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3102014)

:lolhit:

Don't be so impressed with your self. Show a little maturity. How about posting those reciepts?? You expect others to be forthcoming but you seem to think you don't. Not interested in hearing this eye witness BS. Lets see the proof!! Maybe stecs will help you:lolhit:

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3102038)

Well Tim, nice of you to speak up, in a mature and professional fashion, and I believe what you say. Would like to at least see his name on the check though.

You say he took it upon himself to hire you? Did you only deal with him or other members of the SOS team?

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 3102043)

I see the humor in your posts, but many a true things are said in jest... please focus. I just got in from being away from a comp all day and read the newest pages. I was on my way away from the site when all this went down with the donation thievery. Stecz, I told you over a year ago about Sunkin being trash, don't let your reputation be dragged down by standing behind this tool. i fully understand you looking at the paypal account, but as others have pointed out there is more there, either on the paypal account that was closed or by mailed in checks, I cant be any more plain, the dude is flat out lying to you to cover his ass.
As charged as this topic is, keep in mind that some real money and time got spent by quite a few people doing something that they thought was going to be great to realize it was a con. focus.
I have seen a few posts that people seem to think it is ok to lie about your boats and what you have done, if that is so then what did it hurt that big scotty lied about his jet, or his cars, or his boats... it hurt because it won peoples confidence and someone sent him money, there is no difference in what Chris Sunkin and big Scotty did, actually there is, Scotty only got 7500.00 from someone, Chris got about 25K from Alec, quite a bit more from other "benefactors" and "patrons" and more from contributors not to mention countless hours of peoples lives to support his lies via providing moderating or site services as well as providing content for the site.
You folks can go on for months with all the he said stuff, but the facts are irrefutable in my opinion. those that want to support him and his lies, what are you going to do when he burns someone else? you know the truth, are you going to enable it? bystander apathy is almost as bad a stealing yourself, think next time you go to purchase a boat part online or deal with a builder or marina, does someone know the guy your getting ready to fork over your money for is a thief and a liar, but won't stand up for what is right? I bet you would feel different if it were your money...

Originally Posted by Airpacker (Post 3102054)

Looks like alec's signature to me.

Originally Posted by Pure Energy (Post 3102062)

These guys post on a public forum then badger, condisend, ridicule, and disrespect those who reply, ask questions and disagree. Their statements are not absolute and need to take responsibility for their actions and financial mistakes. This behavior has put them in same light as person they are after.