Nort, I hope I never get on your bad side. :angry-smiley-038::ernaehrung004:

Sam

All I sent, and that appearntly got lost in the mail was a ck for 47 or 48 dallors to round off what had been posted about the total collected I will forever feel guilty that it never made to him.

I guess I just need to stay outa this all I ever did was believe a whole bunch of B.S. and waste a lot of my time with a bunch of other great people to build what we believed was to be great web site.:mad:

More theft, more lies and yet people still associate on his site. I don't get it, guy stiffs a dealership for a grand and everyone is notifying his friends and family on face book and in the whole town, this fake lying ass douche-bag steals from every person that has ever done anything with that site and people still want to be his buddy..wake the hell up people!

Looking towards the future... These are boating sites not serious philanthropy only.com. Don't get me wrong, these charit happenings are good and admiral things. Given this mess and previous messes as well as the posibillity for future messes... When dealing with people just handing over money for a cause, we really need a form of checks, ballances and accountability beyond tossing money in a bucket. min. at least 2 seperate people overlooking each other and the posting of reciepts in the future. After horror story after horror story nobodie is going to have the faith to give anything lest their donation gets wrapped up in another epic clusterphuck.

I hope you are kidding.

If you cant " pass the hat" for a good cause in this industry at a party and trust that the person handling the money isnt a fkn thief we might as well all kill ourselves.

Lets have 2 people and a receipt book for a $ 1.00 donation in a crowded bar. WTF ???!!!
Dont look at the system, look at the thief.

The place was packed. I found Jay in the crowd. " You up for giving away a picture pal?" Sure NP.

Bill Taylor took 2 seconds to put up a $ 500.00 entry fee for an event 2 minutes later. NP.
Thats the way it works.

The money was given to the wrong guy. Same wrong guy we've been talking about for 6 weeks on here.

Bad addition on Paypal, no recognition of checks, trying to keep it all when the check goes bad, phony bank statement , keeping cash at party.

Wake up.

yes I realized that about 2 hours ago and posted to that effect, you must have missed that.

Guys relax and please stop telling me to read all the threads, I am not trying to solve the whole puzzle. At this point I just want to know what happened to the cash that was given at the Key West party

I know you don't like it but there are still people that either like Chris or like his site, some of those people are my friends and are good people.

Im awake. Would you like to show me where I said we needed to give reciepts for every 50 cents?


Im saying this isn't the first incidence of funny things happening with charity money. Passing the hat around once is one thing, but the hAt GETS ROUTINELY passed around. Whats wrong with giving people the asurance that their money went where they wanted it to go??? Whats wrong with making things happen the way they are supposed too?? Whats wrong with being transparent and accounatble when soliciting funds? Whats wrong with a post that says "Great job and thank you people! We collected $5000 as varified by Mr. A and Mr. B and was given to the hamburgers for hamsters today! thanks again! <insert pik of reciept here>"

Perfect post

Wrong website

I'll follow you over there and wait for you to post it on the Dock.
Address it to Chris Sunkin.

Go ahead....I'll wait.

While you are at it , ask how he's got the balls to be calling advertisers as of yesterday for money when any 8 year old can figure out he's got the refresh clock set at 6 hrs.
764 people online at same time last week????
He's still bull****ting everyone. And its workin on you.

So it isok with you that he lies and fabricates every bit of his life based of of you being a good guy and a "friend"? What part of he is using everyone of you to verify and justify himself dont you people get.
Using Rob/phragle as an example, Sunkin meets somebody whom Rob knows, Sunkin says yea he hangs out on my site and we are good friends, he has done quite a bit with his life and will be a great nurse...Wham, instant credibility with with your friend from just things that you have posted about, so when he takes money from your friend then it is going to come back to you.
that is what this pathetic scumbag has done since day one, used each and every person to further his agenda, to the people that continue to post on his site, YOU are directly responsible for the next theft and lie. The only way that you can stop it is to not let it happen.

Like i said about the guy that ripped off lightning bay, he hurt one person/dealership, and everyone on this site piled on Sunkin took from hundreds, even from most of you, and you people are still defending it.

He stole it! is that plain and simple enough for you? Well your good friends are helping an propagating a thief. simple enough?

Well, myself and Ted have both posted that we collected money at the party. There was one other person who collected money and that was Nick. I talked with Nick today and he was selling the T-Shirts that Alec bought. He probably sold a dozen or so @ $15 each. Your friend sunkin got that cash as well.

There was ONE person who left the party with the money that was donated and his name is chris sunkin. He gave none of that money to Alec. Alec wrote a check for $1000 to the charity.

What else would you like to know Donna??????

..and for the record, I could give two chits if you or anyone else likes chris sunkin or SOS, but don't forget that I dedicated 18 months of my life to help build that site. If you think that Ted, Nick, myself or Alec or any of the other dozen or so people who helped build SOS and have left because the the owner is a fraud are happy about what went down then you are sadly mistaken.

Lets make it more personal so you can understand all this.

Chris Sunkin kept for himself the following peoples TOTAL donation to the Raffle.

Fund Razor
Oldschool
Ted
Airpacker
Chief Apache
SharkeyImages
Jayboat
Ratickle

Anyone see something common about these names???

They WERE Serious Offshore.

1000s of hours of dedicated volunteer hours. And he rewarded them by stealing their money.

Here's a challenge for you Donna. Find one of Mr. Honesty's so-called friends who have been boating on one of his 15 or so high performance boats.....or even a picture of one of his imaginary boats with him in it. Pictures from google of other peoples boats don't count!!! ;)

For someone who has lived in the same house since 1990, how could no one in the area have seen all of these Apaches, Cigarettes, Sutphens, SeaRays and other boats. It's a small boating community!!!
:eureka::eureka::eureka::eureka:

I went to SOS and couldnt see Phragles post.

Did he forget or did it get deleted??

Did Barb and Paul leave?
I haven't been able to get on there to see anything from the time he stole my password. Who is left? besides John:eek:

Sunkin is not the only high profile scam artist, there are others out there (more high profile then CS) who claim to be crispy clean. The truth will come out soon enough.

It's pretty blatantly obvious that Sunkin is a low-life thief. For whatever his reason, he''s chosen to become no more than pond scum. I can't imagine anyone associating with him at this point.

I believe there are charity fraud laws in place to del with people like this.

It's definitely hurt the boating community at large, and should be stopped.

Please, grab your glasses and reread what I posted HERE. Had I posted that exact statement about the future last year, you would have told me no need all is well. Im posting that post HERE and TODAY and you are saying no need and that I need to wake up and you revert to the past. I am talking about the future. Are you telling me not to think about the future and that you have unwaivering faith in everyone in the world except Sunkin?? Christ man, you came back like I was attacking you. This whole beware section is full of people who have ripped our fellow boaters off going back years. All I did was make a suggestion that would hopefully keep our fellow boaters and the charities we support from getting ripped off yet again. Is that wrong? Is it wrong to think that someone reading all this might have some trust issues??

Craig, I am really getting tired of this assault on me, first off are you are so blinded by your anger against CS that you think my questions are in defense of him, you are acting like I am the bad guy here. For what? asking a question, since the answers all seem to be in your favor you should be happy I asked not belittle me for it. Are you forgetting it was because of you, Ted, Nick, and Alec that many of us got sucked into SOS, in fact some of us were even bullied into becoming active members there. You also state that he is my friend where did you get that impression. He was however your friend, never mine. I can appreciate and feel for you that you got taken, but step back a moment and realize I am not your enemy here. So instead of bullying me because I ask a few questions you should apologize (and maybe you have) that you and some of the others must have known by December that the money, as you claim, never made it to the charity but Alec made up the difference, yet for some reason you and the others continued along contributing to the facade.

Donna I am sure there were suspicions back in December maybe sooner but the fact that someone could steal from a charity is so unbelievable that it was not immediately questioned.It was only after many other things came to light that it was possible,and after todays topic it looks like it was deeper than thought previously.
I will be waiting for my email now.

Donna,
Take a little time and do some searches on Chris Sunkin here on OSO. His evolution here is an eye opener.
Some of the guys involved in this mess are running with short fuses as people come here and ask the same or similar questions over and over and they're growing tired of rehashing the whole mess.
Sunkin is probably reading these post and laughing to himself as we get each others blood pressure elevated.
Read the threads, it's better then reality TV.
ed

I cant believe Chris stole from another Charity!! This guy is using the money to pay his bills( not taxes he owes) He looks like a total fool, unless he comes on here and rights the wrongs or shows pics of his boats he is done in the Offeshore world. Oh I forgot he cant talk because of the FBI lol. He looks like a thief and a lier!, and anyone who supports him should go down with him! See everyone in OC Maryland it will be a great weekend, wonder if MR Offshore will show up??:drink:

I have read a lot of the posts, not all, but enough, I still have not seen a mention about the cash donated at the party until I brought it up today, several posts ago.

If the boyz that helped start SOS are tired of being asked questions then they should either not start or contribute to the threads. However it seems fine and dandy when they are the ones pointing fingers and making jabs, but boy it sure turns ugly if you dare to ask a question or voice an opinion. If you look at this thread it would have died out before page two but the past "core" members are the ones that kept fueling it. I feel their pain and agree with most of their message, but their pit bull method of delivery has left me with a short fuse. They were gung ho about a new web site, I went along reluctantly, as many others did. Now they are back here airing out all their dirty secrets, well bully for them, to bad it took so long, and now those of us that made friends along the way seem to be expected to apologize for it.

It takes a special kind of person to admit that she is ignorant about a topic, too lazy to research it, yet opinionated as all get out. No offense but I could tell by your second post on this topic that a train wreck was about to occur and dammed if you didn't take this thread right off the tracks. :lolhit:

Maybe, this answers your question. :)

Posted on 2010/05/24 @ 19:09 Hrs.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...8&d=1274761720

Lets keep our energy focused on the person at hand and not the other members.

I guess I missed the OSO rules where to comment on a particular thread you must read every other fricking thread relating to the topic.

Yet another pit bull tactic, if you can't point out where the threads on the topic of where the cash went that was collected at the party, you go and put words in my mouth. Get this straight, I have read plenty of posts, received numerous emails and phone calls on the subject, so just because I have a few questions, and comments that you don't agree with, and the fact that I still have friends "on the other side" don't you dare infer by claiming I stated it, that I am to to ignorant and lazy to have an opinion.

In thinking about your post again, I realize it takes a special kind of person to quote someone yet never address the post you quoted. You say no offense, why do you bother typing that when you post was clearly meant to offend, do you actually think you are fooling anyone.

It used to be you could have an opinion and not be personally attacked by everyone, however this topic is obviously very raw for those invovled so they can't do that. OSO over the last few years has been slipping, in part to their change in ownership and the immergence of SOS, so I am sure this is a boom for them and letting these type of threads continue is good for readership. The boyz of SOS are very lucky they have this site, the one they tried to be better than, the one they took members from, but because of readership will welcome them back with open arms and provide them with a platform to air their dirty laundry and attack any one that has or doesn't have (but might say it differntly) a differnt opinion than them. I stayed silent for a long time on the subject, but got tired of watching good people I know get ganged up on for daring to have an opionion, I should have realized that when dealing with a gang of pit bulls you can't win or even make a point, so I am now going to try to do my best to become lazy again, go back to spending more time at my job and less on this subject.

Donna, I mean this with all sincerity, ask your questions and I will answer them. I feel I have been right up front by telling you he stole the money, from the original charity, and from everyone donating at key west. I honestly don't feel I can be any more poignant with my answer. What is it you don't get? The facts are as follows:

Chris sunkin has lied to oso and serious members since the beginining in virtually every aspect of his life
He has claimed to own over 20 boats, including now 4 41 apaches, a 38 cougar, a 46 cougar 6 or so sutphins, a 41 and a 50 searay an imperial, Mark Donahue old cigarette, 2 350 cigarettes, a top gun a velocity and others. while never having pictures or anyone seeing any of them.

He has claimed to have owned numerous dirt bikes while taking pictures from the internet to show and claim he owns them.

He took months to pay a charity then bounced the check and did nothing about it until he was caught, and he didn't show proper record keeping for that fund raising event.

And now recently, the money that was collected in key west has been questioned, more and more will be uncovered in time I'm sure.

The man is a pathological liar that needs psychiatric help, he really believes that he has done all that he brags about. he has lied about everything in his life to every member here. I hope this answers your questions.

Jeeze I am being sucked in again because a post is addressed to me, if I did not have some PM's I would have been off here by now. Rob everything you have posted I have read, the only question I still had, which I stated numerous times in previous posts was what happend to the cash at the party, according to some PM's and some phone calls that was a situation that had fallen through the cracks until I brought it up yesterday. It appears at this time there is no documentation on where the cash went. Chris says (through PM's) that he did not take the money but put Brian's cash in the jar. Alec says he sent a personal check to Platinum after the party who supports M A W, however at the time he was supporting SOS so his threads indicated that the check was from the party. I don't think there was much cash and it is hard to trace how much money was thrown into a jar, especially at this point. I am in no way condoning how this was handled just stating what was told to me or posted. At this point I have no more questions, but thank you for asking

Sure thing :) I had already left the site when kw was going on but after reading your post I made some calls as well, it seems its around 700 bucks. As for Chris, if his lips are moving and his fingers are typing 99.99% of what is coming out is a lie.
Please take a minute to realise that he has wormed his way into many a good peoples lives by saying he knows them and is their friend, he is a cancer and the only way to stop it is to totally remove it, or to stop associating with him, and that includes his site.
I'm not telling anyone what to think or do, but in my opinion, by even posting and putting content on that site, it validates his pathetic life and his lies and thievery. the question arises for anyone that adds content, at what point when he speaks can you honestly say you wonder whether it is a lie? For those that add content, you know that he is a pathological liar, how will you feel for the guy coming up that when Chris uses his relationship with you to gain a persons confidence and then rip them off? how liable are you(anyone) in the lies?

Chris says (through PM's) that he did not take the money but put Brian's cash in the jar.

Craig and Brian say different.

The truth is lost forever.

Thank you for receiving Chris's position.

+1, she wants to defend chris, but doesn't want to read.

Heres a news flash Ms Patriyacht. If he would of donated the money then he never would of needed to alter a bank document, would he?

Donna,
First off, I answered your questions to the best of my ability, but felt that you either didn't read them or didn't believe what I was saying because you kept asking them. I gave you all of the info that I could. Second (as I posted) I can't log on to SOS and therefore can't provide you with a link to a thread over there. Many threads have disappeared from the site and there is only one person still there that can do that. Since your post is full of the SOS rebuttal talking points that everyone has already heard, I just don't get what you are after.

I don't have anger towards cs and SOS, I have a deep feeling of embarrassment for being naive and supporting what went on there. My love of boating remains, my involvement on boating forums is greatly diminished. I do appreciate the good friends that I have gained in the last 10 years. :)

I'm sorry that you felt that I was attacking you, but as I have already said, I could care a less if you continue to go to SOS. It just doesn't matter to me. I have no problem with you. I stated that I handed the money from the bucket that I collected at the party to chris sunkin and Brian (Sydwayz)stated that he handed chris sunkin a hundred dollar bill and watched him put it in his wallet, so who you believe is completely up to you.

Enough information is out there for people to make their own decision about the credibility of the owner and sole proprietor of SOS. It's a free country, go to whatever website that you want to.

I have a question for you. When did you meet cs? ....and have you ever seen him on one of his boats?

I've known you for a long time, please at least do me the courtesy of going back and reading my posts on this thread. That's all that I have to say about it. I'm done.

Good question. I'm one of many that paid to help support the site. Hopefully those funds went into a site account that was overseen by the board and not just CS.

The board was not involved in any financial operations .

It was simply a group of volunteers that spent their efforts on moderating, creating enthusiasm and aiding in picking and choosing the topics and features on the site that would best entertain the members ( ie. parties, contests, photography section, attendance at events etc. )
Some individuals lived on that site while moderating.

Chris Sunkins injection of $ 120k for software and 30k for the classifieds was all his money. So was the $ 3800.00/month to keep the site up.:eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Here's my position as of today... This is my first and last post on the subject.

I will not publicly inject my opinions about the details pertaining to the subject at hand, nor will I answer any questions about it on this or any other forum since I feel it's not my place to say.

However; I do feel comfortable adding, which can be verified by reviewing my post history on SOS, is how I've stopped providing content on SOS roughly two months ago. :(

With that being said... Enjoy the summer and I hope to see everyone on the water sometime soon! :)

There was also a crispy $100.00 bill handed to CS while he was standing on the stage at Guy Harvey's immediately after I won the "Boat ride with Mikey" auction as well.

Which leads me to wonder about the money from the other auction winning bids ???????????????????????????????????

Craig- that's a total and absolute falsehood. I had nothing to do whatsoever with that particular collection. That was Nick and Erin- they brought the shirts, banner, etc. I didn't even know it was happening. I had a room full of guests to speak with and no time for some impromptu collection. As far as Brian's money- of course I put it in my wallet- so it could be safely conveyed to where it needed to go- and it was.

Here's what I find funny- just a few weeks previous, I sat next to you and Nick and Alec at the Platinum run in Fort Myers. When it came time to pass the hat on the bicycle raffle, Alec says "let's get a hundred from everyone at the table" I said OK. After a 5 minute circle of the table, he came back empty handed with a disgusted look and some unkind words. He and I then split a $1,000. donation on behalf of the table and in your names. Not "for" you but because we wanted to. But is that the behavior of a guy that would swipe a donation or a beer bucket full of dollar bills- in plain sight of everyone? You want to paint this picture of a guy that steals from a collection plate. But every time someone is passing the hat, I've been there- usually first and usually with one of the larger donations.

Back to the bucket... It goes further- You all saw me shortly thereafter in Miami. If there was any issue with the proceeds of that or any other collection, you all had every opportunity to make a casual mention of it. It's just now that you suddenly remember it. Suddenly, after all the rest of the trash you've fabricated is wearing thin. Had this been a real issue, you guys would have had this one at the top of your list when you made the move to take over the website. Do you really expect anyone to believe that with all of you so fully absorbed with this that you didn't remember? Come on.

In the end, this is nothing more than a vendetta. We set out to build that site for us. I wasn't the guy with the crazy push to commercialization. Remember the conversation a few weeks prior to the takeover attempt? You said "You act like you don't even want the money- people are ready to hand it to us". Doesn't that conflict a bit with the picture you and your pals have been painting lately?

Fortunately, we still have a dozen or so Board members and mods that still believe in the original vision- a fun, no-nonsense place where people can enjoy themselves. I suppoise these threads are the ultimate validator of our original premise. We'd have never allowed this to happen.

Now everyone can be treated to some funny Jayboat caricatures, Nort can put a silly picture of me in his avatar and everyone we banned from the site can join together and scream LIAR LIAR!!!. You guys can go back to harassing people that visit the site. You can make phone calls to people in the industry. You can bribe and coerce whoever you like. We'll be happily enjoying what it is we're doing with our friends. And this can continue to be your all-consuming passion.