Dead beat engine builders
 

I was just wanting to see how many people have been screwed by thier engine builder.Whats there name and how did they beat you.

I was beat by Boyds motorworks.

Just the opposite. Pro Roc in Brick n.j. built me two Wipple charged 509,s that have been bullet proof for 4 years of use now. I got my monies worth. But all that power does like to eat bravo's.

wheres boyds

Leon Dereberry at Dereberry Performance Marine on Lake Texoma. He sold me a motor claiming it made 631 HP and put it in my boat. When we went to run the boat, it ran 2 mph faster then it did with the old 7.4 that came in the boat and it had 990 hours on that motor. I complained and Leon had an excuse for everything for his CYA. After several months and hundreds of excuses, I pulled the motor out and took it to another place to have a dyno done. They did 2 dyno runs on 2 different dynos. The motor made 517 HP on the first dyno and 518 on the second dyno...which according to my math...is a long way off from 631 HP. The guys at the dyno did show me what he probably did to fudge the numbers. When they did some trick crap to show me what he probably did...it was a mirical...the motor made 635 HP. The guy is a TOOL and a coward...so people beware.

Boyd's Motorworks

224 Elmwood Ave. Ext.

Gloversville, NY 12078

http://www.boydsmotorworks.com/index.html

Not to be confused with Boyd Racing out of Oklahoma which build GREAT motors.

We, also endorse Boyds in Oklahoma City, Ok.....They build good engines.

Thanks Guys!!!

Bummer Sonic, nothing worse that getting screwed.
Seems an aweful waste of a nice shop and fine machinery to build a substandard product.

I had a small block built by a guy named Dave Smith at a place called precisioned speed. It lasted all of 4 hours before melting into an abyss- The engine was a month late to boot.
6 weeks of dodging my calls I drive over and the place went out of business. They guy had a great rep for oldsmobile work.

Pslonaker- you are gaining a reputation for building some excellent engines. Whatever you are doing its working.

Uncle Dave

No problem just pointing out what seems to be working.
You have a combination that seems to work at a reasonable cost and your clients are happy, and your dyno numbers repeat. BTW - quite the squeaky clean shop. (looks like all of mine)

Love the valve train lesson with Carly Simon, Neil young etc. in the background with you talking over the tunes... seems to me you are a regular guy that got fed up getting screwed and decided to handle the issue yourself. Respect.



Heres another group to stay away from- there was a gas station in Parker Az called "Manor Mobile"- tons of boats in the lot and in the stall always busy- he got the engine after dave Smiths magic build ended in minutes (I could have done that for the costs of parts alone)

The Manor Mobile guys build lasted 2 months before ending in calamity- I chalked it up to too much compression on a supercharged engine in the hot parker air, and a lack of skill in jetting the carbs correctly.


Ill think of a few more (unfortunately)

Uncle Dave

You are correct...I blew a head gasket when Dereberry screwed me over and I have called him out on several times, but he ALWAYS runs to hide. I have always been involved with racing...usually drag racing and I know that a drag race motor will not hunt in a normal boat...so I went to self-learning school and did exactly as I was told and shown. The guys that taught me dont give a damn about boat motors but they are highly known Pro-Stock drag race guys. I am not in competition with them and they are not in competition with me resulting in a great relationship. I dont know how many motors I have done...havent kept count, but most are in the 650 HP range. There are some under that and some over that...I just give the customer what they asked for. But the one thing I will say is that NONE of my motors have had any issues or blown up and a few of the guys that have them only know of 2 speeds...balls out or sitting. All the big named guys...Teague, Paul Paff, Cobra, etc...sell their motors for 2-1/2 to 3 times more than what I charge for mine and I use the same quality of parts and I get the same, if not more, horsepower and torque. Dont get me wrong here...I have met Bob...like him and have a HIGH respect for him...havent met any of the other guys, but they all build a great product. I just dont have the overhead that they do. Actually NONE of them actually build the motors...their employees do, but I am a one man show. I do it all myself and I dont have an issue with someone watching or helping.

I do like my oldies music...especially from the 60's. My neighbors at the shop like the music sorta loud too so that they can also hear it. I get calls all the time asking for help and if I know the answer...I will tell. I always try to help someone out...the dollar is NOT the bottom line with me. I had so many calls on how to adjust the valves, I just decided to make a vid so that people could see it being done, but I dont think I will be getting my name or a star onHollywood Blvd anytime soon...ho-hummm...bummer.

Call me if you are out Fort Worth way...817-657-5662...as there is always something to drink in the fridge at the shop.

Will do sir, thanks for the invite & taking so much personal time to share your info with us.

Uncle Dave

I have done business with Boyd Motorworks in NY for several years & found thier products to be second to none!

The guy is the best in the business in my opinion and the opinion of everyone I know that has had work done by him.

Maybe sonic can share his side of the three sided story.

The three sides always being "Yours, mine, and the truth "

On that note I am happy to share mine regarding anyone I fail to recommend.



Uncle Dave

Its nice to hear you guys give this eng. guy a great rep. living in FL there a too many fly buy night guys. Anyone lookin to build a motor just do your homework on your builder it dosn't matter if you spend alittle more to send your parts to someone you can TRUST...

its good to see your one of the good guys you need to have customers post there good stories which will help get you out there. BUT what helps the most if you do a motor in the time asked otherwise it won't matter how good someone is. I shipped a motor that was only needing to be put back together 5grand later in new parts and 22months later its still a short block but being finished next week and this was paid over in full:eek:, big name guy who is a friend I just can't yell at him but the dead line is on and sad thing is my other motor back up is going to a guy who was my second pick 2 hours away he takes 3 weeks on averge time. good luck get your name out there.

I thought I did got warned by one or two that he takes a long time, I thought that ment 6 mons not 22. and we were new friends a year before this. I should of went to Tim DORR in maine he does rigging and drives with motors and is fast. has people hold on to there stuff until he is about ready that way no one complains but he will if you don't come on time to pick it up with a check for him. same with pete nopper tranny drive guy no cash up front on small stuff. boy new boat 8 mons no motor I was never excited because Iwas worried about the motor all winter:lolhit:

Hey Art, would real friend put you out for 2 years. Same as this crap with Chris Sunkin, he kept trying to say he was my friend...Friends don't lie to friends Art, no matter what the issue is...

Seems there has to be some way for both sides to work that one out.

It would be great if you guys could.

- because everyone wants to see the new engine in your boat.


UD

or maybe they really are not friends!:angry-smiley-038:

This will be my only post on this thread.
We have been doing business with Jack Boyd longer than I can remeber. He has ALWAYS done an excelent job machining. He told me the specifics to this story, "Sonic" was far from screwed. Jack built and dynoed the motor, Sonic installed it and according to FAST "Shorted out the computer" which is of course, not Jack's fault. The motor ran awesome when it left Boyd's shop. Jack Boyd is a stand up guy, has done business with plenty of members on this board as well. Theres always two sides to a story.
Enough said.

The long wait, by an owner of a famous old race boat and one of the very few guys I can look eye to eye with, completely shied me away from your particular builder. I have trouble remembering 22 months ago much less what was said.

Tommy at Chief and Brad at Smith Power are the ones that I can personally recommend.

I am glad this is your only post as someone gave you some false info.First off how could i short out the computer when i payed to have the injection completely install and dynoed.I payed jacka$$ to install wire tune etc the injection.So if i got what i paid for i would just have to bolt it in hook up a few lines and plug it in.How do you burn up something that you just plug in?????As far as Jaska$$ or anyone else for that matter talking to fast is bull.We have been working with matt maxwell at fast feel free to call him his # is 877 334 8355.Im sure he will tell you a few thing about the way this thing was tuned.As far as jacka$$s machine work i never said anything bad about it.As far as i know his machine work is second to none.So being that jack does all of the machine work on you motors and you just put them together and dyno them you have no worries.I know you and jack do alot of biz together so i dont take it personal you licking his ass and trying to make him look like a good guy.And if you remember you offer to fix my motor until you found out jacka$$ is the one that messed it up.If i had thought about it i would have kept my mouth shut on who messed this motor up and had you fix it and then as you where bad mouthing the person that built it you would have found out who it was.Im not as nice as the guy that had his intake come off of his motor that jack built because jack forgot to tighting the bolts.(and im the jerk right)This guy also picked up his motor( the first time)the same day as i did and wouldnt know jack sent both motors out with the wrong plugs in them.Im not sure whats better that jack told me it would take 2-3 week before i would get my motor back and it took him 7 MONTHES.Or after someone set him on fire(thats the only way you can get him to move) to get my motor done and i went up to pick up my pos motor and pay him.I counted the money out to him and then he also counted and then put it in his pocket.A few day later we speek and he tells me that i shorted him a $100.WTF i guess we both cant do math.Or maybe it was when jack had his wife call me and tell me that my motor wasnt done and jack is sick so it will be a few more monthes before you get your motor back but i would like you to pay me for it now.So let me get this right Mrs.Jacka$$ your monthes late on getting me back my motor back and now you want me to pay you in full for it.You should have taken the money i offer you when i dropped the motor off or the 20 times i called you to see if you would ever get it done.Anyway my boat is running and will be back on the water this weekend.I would just like to thank everyone that helped and supported me tru this.If it wasnt for trevor,morgan and maxwell@fast i would never had got this thing running.Thanx guys oh and jack lets see who gets the last laugh.I told jack to send down 3 i bonds for $500 each in the names of trevor,morgan, and myselfs kids names and this would all go away but i guess jack wants to spend 10 times that to make this right.Thanx again everyone it means a lot and sleep good jack.

just thank your Lucky starz you did'nt use L@rrys in Tucson:angry-smiley-038:

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I don't who you're thanking I don;t see where anyone but you complained about Jack on here....

Nice to hear that you had pleasant experiences with him.
Were they complete builds??

Don't know where you're from GORT and I'm not taking sides here. But I will say that because of the experience of others with him, when I needed any major work done I went to Performance Marine. If machine work needed I took the short block to Rick Gorka in Clifton Park.

Just too many negative reports for me to go to Boyds.
But I have heard he builds one helluva Stock Car engine.

You never heard anything bad about Jack from me Jake.... and yes the motor in the 24 Superboat was a complete build & is still running like new to this day 7 yrs & three owners later with hundreds of hours on it.....and if Bubba is who you're reffering to regarding expirience Jeff installed that motor if I remember correct and the issues were with the set up? also Bubba's expectations for that 28' Checkmate with 650HP were way too high imo... and is that boat still not running around some 4 yrs later without issues?

Like I said anyone, well anyone with reasonable expectations, that I know that has dealt with Jack has been satisfied.

Bubbas boat was one that I know of besides 2 others. Can't see how jeff installing the engine and bolting up the out drive had anything to do with Jacks Build. Bubba spent 22 K for a supposedly 650 HP 540 that didn't go any faster than the stock HP 500. Biggest reason Bubba sold it. he was disgusted with it.
Yes it's still running.. Just as schitty as when Bubba owned it.
650 HP in a 28' Checkmate and it never ran faster than 68 MPH.
Like I said, I heard Jack builds a helluva stock car engine.

Seems to me it was 5mph faster... that boat never ran 68 mph stock.... I base on the many times I ran with him before & after the build... but i disagree that the build and install have nothing to do with each other... In this guys case Jack has the dyno sheets, as this guy does, to prove how it ran when it left the shop.... just plug it in and go? or maybe charge the battery after you plug it in and torch the MSD????


Safest thing to do is have the engine builder do the install.... then there can be no doubts.

I was told back then that Jack didn't want anything to do with pulling & installing engines in boats and Bubbas 540 was in and out 3 times because of OIL leaks.

Every individual has their favorite engine builder. You have yours and I have mine.

Peace..:kiss:

Always Jake....

But your great friends with one of the bad guys here, Derreberry, or however you spell it. :lolhit:

If people actually knew you and the back story, they would understand. Every engine builder you go to has a problem.....the common theme, YOU! Probably the same reason why every person you contact about doing motors for you says lose my number. :eek:

I do feel sorry for Art. 2 fricken years is crazy. Pull it out of there man. You seem to have a real love for the sport and thats awesome.

Besides putting up nude pics, porno sh*t, talking about booze and vicadin, you share absolutely nothing that is relevant to high performance boating.

Oh, we did have a great bbq down here in Tucson with all of the money you gave us. :coolcowboy:

Keep being a ghost, at poker runs, at shootouts, at the lake, on the internet.

Great ....All OSO needs is another bashing thread...

Hope ya'll enjoyed the BBQ i always contribute to the eliterate ,OSO boating vendors have no problems taking my $$$$$ BIG Daddy and Larrys would of took it again if i was dumb enuf to give him a blank check. Could'nt be happier since we distanced ourselfs from Larrys Engine & Marine ..and go F@ck yourself

Shooter did this motor for me over the winter my only issue was with the lightning headers that i supplied and almost lost 18K due to them sucking in water!!!! Put the stock back on and not an issue go figure because lightning cant but that is a whole new story.. Paul was easy to deal with and when we were having the issues he stated "Scott if you need me I will be there or bring it to me and i will tear it down and tell you exactly what happened" At the end of the summer i will envite him here when it cool to really get all that this motor has to give

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aucHddjx4iQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dhZtfi6Wo

Ive always had really god luck with lightning products.

Can either of you guys fill me in a bit on the problem?

I cant tell if its just reversion, or if there was a leak?


Uncle Dave

Hangin in there Shooter-!

Getting ready to go to lake nacimiento next week.
Im absolutely Jonesing to get going and work is going to be agonizing tomorrow.....

Im taking both boats with me this trip, because in a 5 group trip someones ride is always allergic to water and hell, I pay for em - might as well run em!

I got my 500/500 406 back in the tunnel hull this week and I'm going to run it against a guy with basically the same rig with a 300hp outboard so this should be interesting....

That cam doesn't look to radical to me......
It does have a bunch -o- lift, but the durations aren't ridiculous and the 112 lobe sep is fairly tame- I try to keep the lobe sep at 110, but that also means a custom grind almost every time with my pet cam company (Engle) grrr $$$$$

2mph equates to about 40 hp-
Worth the 6K? Not likely not in a pleasure rig.

hmmm indeed.
I've always had good luck with lightnings, with the exception of them not being able to deliver small block headers to me in a reasonable time, but the products have held up and didn't leak (for me).

Sucks Scott is having issues,but customer supplied parts are always a gamble. That said I would have taken the exact same gamble as Scott.

Sounds like you did absolutely everything you could have for Scott - and therefore retain your reputation as not only an awesome guy, but a competent builder as well.

Call in "drunk" and come out with us!

Uncle Dave