Originally Posted by Ebay Ed (Post 3234700)

Stay away from J&J in PC they done a recall on my buddies sea doo jet boat and less than a couple of hours after he got it back it caught fire on the water. he took it back they replaced a few parts and a few weeks later the engine had a bearing go out under the fly wheel from a hose that burned in the fiire ( that was not replaced ) that supplied oil to the bearing ended up junking his engine as pieces of the bearing got inside the engine i thought he was going over the service counter one day dealing with this also while working on it they burnt holes in his carpet and just trashed his newly detailed interior has grease smeared all over the back seat

Originally Posted by TCBoss302 (Post 3234505)

Crayola, You and Phragle crack (pun intended) me up, was there ever a doubt that you were butt buddies with Scott and Jeff??? Funny you 2 are the only ones that have anything positive to say about these guys.

Originally Posted by TCBoss302 (Post 3234581)

Here you go Crayola--

I decided after going to the Lake Cumberland Poker Run that I wanted to sell my 29 Rinker and get into a go-fast boat. I looked for a few months and found the boat I wanted. It was owned by a guy named Scott Nagy, a dentist from the Port Clinton/Cleveland area. I made contact with Scott and he came across as a very credible person. He talked about his church (many times) and how he goes to church with the guy that has done the service work on the boat since it was new (that would be the one and only Jeff Wilson). Well, the boat only had 30 hours on it, so as a newbie (to the power boat world) I thought "what could possibly happen or be wrong with a boat with only 30 hours.....probably nothing". Scott told me on more than one occasion that this was a bone stock boat and that I needed to be very aware of other boats that are not stock as they can have many problems (I was considering another boat at the time). So after thinking about it, I did decide to call Scott Nagy's service guy, the one that he goes to church with (if I heard that once, I heard it a 1000 times while doing this deal). Jeff Wilson told me he had serviced the boat since new and it was in show room condition, just like new as I remember. I ask him for specifics about anything and everything that had been done to the boat, and he backed Scott up in telling me it is a 30 hour boat that had nothing but an oil change. Then it was his (Jeffs) turn to tell me about their church and that he has known Scott for a long time and how good of a person he was.

Which brings us to this, little did I know, Scott had bought 1 boat from Jeff and had another one ordered and wanted to get rid of the boat I was buying. So finally after numerous conversations with Scott and the fact that Jeff totally backed up Scott that the boat was perfect and like new with only one oil change, I put down a deposit and headed to Port Clinton to get my virtually new 30 hour boat.

I arrive in Port Clinton and pull up to Jeff's place and there she was, just like I saw in the pics......I was very excited to say the least! Everything was perfect, the only thing that caught my eye was that the props had left and right written on them. I ask Scott about it and he said, well a buddy of mine borrowed a drive off the boat and blew out the upper, so I put a brand new upper on it and that's why the props are marked. Ok, would have been nice to know that before I drove up there, afterall, I had ask Jeff for specifics, right? But since it was new, and I was a newbie that never dealt with a dishonest boat seller (I've bought and sold 10+ boats) I went with it. So we go into Jeff's place and close the deal. Scott tips Jeff's girl (Linda if I recall) that closed the deal and Jeff got $165 (called a loan fee in my contract).

So fast forward a couple of months-- I start getting into a Baja forum and talking powerboat stuff, I was big time now. In doing so, I dig up some old posts of Scotts asking about engine swaps. I was freaked out to say the least. So I called Baja to try and track serial numbers down. Guess what, the motors and drives on my 30 hour, bone stock, showroom new, only one oil change boat has engines and drives from another boat!!! These two guys lied through their teeth about this boat from the beginning and I took it, hook, line and sinker. On top of that, the port drive that was "brand new", blew up after about 5 hours. (can't absolutely say that was their fault because it did last 5 hours).

I immediately took the boat to my mercury dealer and guess what, my new to me 30 hour boat had 80+ hours on the motors and I assume drives as well. There was nothing stock about this boat!

So there you go Crayola, they took advantage of a newbie that had 0 posts on OSO and didn't know enough to not trust anyone selling a power boat, even if it supposedly only has 30hours. You can say it was sold "as is" if you want and that I got what I deserved, but I think people need to know what Jeff and Scott for that matter (I'm sure he'll be selling another boat at some point) are capable of.

Even after loosing several thousand dollars with higher hours and blown drive, I never intended to post this because of embarrassment in trusting these guys and not knowing a boat buying 101 point, get a survey no matter what, even if it's only got 30 hours. The reason I did post it now, is that I found out I'm not the only one that has had this type of dealing with them.

Finally Crayola, if you think it's OK for a seller and his service guy to lie through their teeth and then hide behind a contract, I think you may have some bad karma coming your way as well. If you truly know the facts on the boat that MTC sold to the elderly man that has a very critical illness and still back MTC, you're a sick puppy. I'm hopeful that the gentleman will recover to a point where he can post his details.

Originally Posted by THRILLSEEKER (Post 3234729)

J&J's service (at least on PWCs) has had a bad rep for years. They replaced both sets of motor mounts on my old Speedster and it came back with exhaust jumper hoses missing, several loose hose clamps and electrical issues in the dash that didnt exist before I took it there. I went by the place last Sunday and it looked like a ghost town. There was a Cig out front but that was about it.

Originally Posted by crayolacrazy (Post 3235109)

there it is no.1 if you called baja this had to happen years ago no. 2 when boats are stored outside props are removed taged ,marked R/L some boats spin some spin out no.3 my understanding the power was upgrade from mags to ho that where bone STOCK motors wich is about 12000.00 dollar improvement .as for the drive it was good when you used for five hrs .We dont know where you boat ?how you drive ,or even if you know how?As for the Hrs. was it advetised with 30 then you got a beef should 3 have been an 8 by mistake ,also 80 hrs on 496 is nothing I super charged my 496 ho,s with 176 hr on them and run them another 80 hrs. .anyway I dont know what you payed or how old the boat was. It dont seem like you got a lemon ,I dont know Scott ,I have met him and said hi a few time and thats it .I do know Jeff for about 15 years and he,s nothing like what you claiming . In your eyes you feel decieved.. 90 % of used boats dont have original equipment ,and are BONE STOCK. It sounds like you bought what was advertised clean 302 Baja with stock 496 ho,s , Im done with all of this NOW AND FOREVER . GOD forbid you ever buy house and they dont tell you the eletricial service was changed .or furnace was upgrade from 80% to 90% you will scared for life . The guys in white coats are chasing me ill have to go back now, I cant stand all this medication.

Originally Posted by crayolacrazy (Post 3235109)

there it is no.1 if you called baja this had to happen years ago no. 2 when boats are stored outside props are removed taged ,marked R/L some boats spin some spin out no.3 my understanding the power was upgrade from mags to ho that where bone STOCK motors wich is about 12000.00 dollar improvement .as for the drive it was good when you used for five hrs .We dont know where you boat ?how you drive ,or even if you know how?As for the Hrs. was it advetised with 30 then you got a beef should 3 have been an 8 by mistake ,also 80 hrs on 496 is nothing I super charged my 496 ho,s with 176 hr on them and run them another 80 hrs. .anyway I dont know what you payed or how old the boat was. It dont seem like you got a lemon ,I dont know Scott ,I have met him and said hi a few time and thats it .I do know Jeff for about 15 years and he,s nothing like what you claiming . In your eyes you feel decieved.. 90 % of used boats dont have original equipment ,and are BONE STOCK. It sounds like you bought what was advertised clean 302 Baja with stock 496 ho,s , Im done with all of this NOW AND FOREVER . GOD forbid you ever buy house and they dont tell you the eletricial service was changed .or furnace was upgrade from 80% to 90% you will scared for life . The guys in white coats are chasing me ill have to go back now, I cant stand all this medication.

Originally Posted by crayolacrazy (Post 3235109)

there it is no.1 if you called baja this had to happen years ago no. 2 when boats are stored outside props are removed taged ,marked R/L some boats spin some spin out no.3 my understanding the power was upgrade from mags to ho that where bone STOCK motors wich is about 12000.00 dollar improvement .as for the drive it was good when you used for five hrs .We dont know where you boat ?how you drive ,or even if you know how?As for the Hrs. was it advetised with 30 then you got a beef should 3 have been an 8 by mistake ,also 80 hrs on 496 is nothing I super charged my 496 ho,s with 176 hr on them and run them another 80 hrs. .anyway I dont know what you payed or how old the boat was. It dont seem like you got a lemon ,I dont know Scott ,I have met him and said hi a few time and thats it .I do know Jeff for about 15 years and he,s nothing like what you claiming . In your eyes you feel decieved.. 90 % of used boats dont have original equipment ,and are BONE STOCK. It sounds like you bought what was advertised clean 302 Baja with stock 496 ho,s , Im done with all of this NOW AND FOREVER . GOD forbid you ever buy house and they dont tell you the eletricial service was changed .or furnace was upgrade from 80% to 90% you will scared for life . The guys in white coats are chasing me ill have to go back now, I cant stand all this medication.

Originally Posted by crayolacrazy (Post 3235109)

there it is no.1 if you called baja this had to happen years ago no. 2 when boats are stored outside props are removed taged ,marked R/L some boats spin some spin out no.3 my understanding the power was upgrade from mags to ho that where bone STOCK motors wich is about 12000.00 dollar improvement .as for the drive it was good when you used for five hrs .We dont know where you boat ?how you drive ,or even if you know how?As for the Hrs. was it advetised with 30 then you got a beef should 3 have been an 8 by mistake ,also 80 hrs on 496 is nothing I super charged my 496 ho,s with 176 hr on them and run them another 80 hrs. .anyway I dont know what you payed or how old the boat was. It dont seem like you got a lemon ,I dont know Scott ,I have met him and said hi a few time and thats it .I do know Jeff for about 15 years and he,s nothing like what you claiming . In your eyes you feel decieved.. 90 % of used boats dont have original equipment ,and are BONE STOCK. It sounds like you bought what was advertised clean 302 Baja with stock 496 ho,s , Im done with all of this NOW AND FOREVER . GOD forbid you ever buy house and they dont tell you the eletricial service was changed .or furnace was upgrade from 80% to 90% you will scared for life . The guys in white coats are chasing me ill have to go back now, I cant stand all this medication.