Until I get screwed it's not OSO's problem it's mine but if there is motive on the buyers side of the story he may be getting a bad shake??Peace!I'm wonder if Bob the alter boy engine builder had an old beef with Roccard if not my bad!All engine builders have fans&foes and I've used many as far as way before and me not bieng on OSO?Stop:kiss: SOB Hyydro plane 1967 were you born?:drink:You have to look at all sides even if he made mistakes in the past never took sides!Me myself whould have returned the $$ Once again peace out!Enjoy the holidays&freedom!
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PI, Hats off to you about your Hydro Plane racing days---and I'm glad you had fun. In 1967 I was about 8-9 years old. Back then, I was having my fun rowing an old little flat bottom wooden row boat.

I believe you were sincere about wishing peace and freedom on me. And for that I will say something sincerely back to you (of which I am quite sure I will be mocked, scoffed at and flamed for),----I may not be as old and as wise as you, but wise enough to know that all the engine, boating and racing knowledge you, me or anyone else knows is not going to get us in the pearly gates at the end of our lives----it just ain't gonna matter at the end of the day,----and that is the TRUTH,....but that's an entirely different story. PM me and I'd be sincerely happy to share the details with you if you like.

In the mean time, we're here to let the unsuspecting folks know about Mr. Roccard's deceptive business practices and try to keep a lttle peace on earth while we're still alive---because 100 piddly years from now, boats, engines, $$$, and who beat who will be the last thing on our mind in the light of eternity.

And now you know a little more about me and where I'm coming from...just so happens I like Hi-Perf Offshore boating too----All of God's Peace and Freedom back to you!

PI, Hats off to you about your Hydro Plane racing days---and I'm glad you had fun. In 1967 I was about 8-9 years old. Back then, I was having my fun rowing an old little flat bottom wooden row boat.

I believe you were sincere about wishing peace and freedom on me. And for that I will say something sincerely back to you (of which I am quite sure I will be mocked, scoffed at and flamed for),----I may not be as old and as wise as you, but wise enough to know that all the engine, boating and racing knowledge you, me or anyone else knows is not going to get us in the pearly gates at the end of our lives----it just ain't gonna matter at the end of the day,----and that is the TRUTH,....but that's an entirely different story. PM me and I'd be sincerely happy to share the details with you if you like.

In the mean time, we're here to let the unsuspecting folks know about Mr. Roccard's deceptive business practices and try to keep a lttle peace on earth while we're still alive---because 100 piddly years from now, boats, engines, $$$, and who beat who will be the last thing on our mind in the light of eternity.

And now you know a little more about me and where I'm coming from...just so happens I like Hi-Perf Offshore boating too----All of God's Peace and Freedom back to you![/QUOTE]Had the row boat also:drink:But the reason I questioned the Roccard thing was I see a lot of people that were released for bieng falsley convicted because of their checkered past?? But again I whould have returned the$$

ok so here's one for the late great Froid... who the fu*k in the marine engine business offers a 100,000 mi/7year warranty on an engine? a marine engine :lolhit:

I hear you, but as I have said before, many of us OSO'rs (me included) were here years ago when Roccard began tossing out his scamming bait by making outrageous claims like 750hp out of a NA 502cid. I remember specifically because he was trying to sell it to all of us here on OSO. Here are a few examples of some posts Roccard made 6-7 years ago....

Here's a post Roccard made back on 7-13-2005...

"Interested in rebuilding your 454's and getting 650-750 hp from them and avoiding the agrevation of the swap? Let me know if interested.
Thx Mike
Roccard Marine Engines
570-956-2840"

Here's another customer back in 9-21-2005 asking about his 454cid engines...

"I have twin 454 efi mags with 385hp,I would like to get 500 to 550 hp out of them. I want to stay with efi.
Some idea's I have are: Raise compression from 8.5 to 10:1"

And here's Roccard's response....

"The easiest way to see that HP is to go aspirated and do some port work to the heads and a cam change. With good port work and a nice cam it would not be hard to get as much as 650+hp. If you are interested in doing this let me know.
Thx Mike
Roccard Marine Engines
570-956-2840
[email protected]"

Here is Roccard responding to an OSO'r regarding a repower on his 330hp/454cid engines....

"Dock if you are interested in rebuilding and modifyling what you have we can give you as much as 650+ hp from your 454's with some mods and without blowers. Give me a call or shoot me an Email if you woulld like to know more.
Thx Mike
Roccard Marine Engines
[email protected]
roccardmarineengines.com"

9-29-2005 "502 Engine Upgrade" Roccard commenting on his LESS TEMPERMENTAL/MORE RELIABLE 750+hp 502cid engines...

"You could get alot of HP from port work on your heads,ballancing your internals, degreeing your cam and some carb work. What are the specs of the engines. Compression,heads,intake ect ? We have gotten as much as 750hp from aspirated 502 already with those mods which leave you a less tempermental and more reliable engine. If you would like to know more give me a call or email me.
Thx Mike
[email protected]
570-956-2840
www.roccardmarineengines.com"

Plus numerous things that Artifriends has brought up concerning Roccard's business practices and professional workmanship.

Also, why can't Roccard give us his physical shop address/location?

ya about the best you'll ever get outta a GM steel head is 308? how the fu*k would one ever expect 750 hp on a 454 without a blower? I would find it difficult to reach that even with one, thats 750 true (real) H.P. that is, not :bsflag: benchtop 750 H.P.

Hey Mark, yer galvanized warshtubS could use these, ya think? Sounds like 750 hp for may a couple hundred bucks buddy. Just tryin' to help ya get a warshtub in the water.........

GM 088 rect port heads... they'll flow to 308cfm then hit a brick wall ten feet tall!! however that is plenty to fill a small BBC of 454 ci... unless one plans to rev the perverbial bag off that thing, I dunno how one would expect more than 500 HP again real HP

When Roccard was aked this very question not only did he say it could be done but that he could "magically" do it with 9-1 compression, a hyd roller, NORMALLY ASPIRATED, NO POWER ADDERS and it would idle all day long around the docks and thru no wake zones!!!!!!:bsflag:

:bsflag: BULLSH*T

Roccard= rock hard!! like his head!! :lolhit:

I don't know a thing about the boat or the engines.....

BUT SHE FLIES !!! :lolhit:



CIGARETTE IMAGES Miami to Key West to Boca Grande CLICK HERE !

Some of the other accessories on the boat had to be kept in its own Gallery under Boca Grande ... :eek:






http://sharkeyimages.zenfolio.com/im...56469639-4.jpg

Me???---Git yer own durned puddle jumper in da woader FOIST! I mean shuckin's homer, what is it wit dis obstreperous Waybomb vermin feller dude anaway??? :snide:

:lolhit:

[QUOTE=SHARKEY-IMAGES;3565697]I don't know a thing about the boat or the engines.....

BUT SHE FLIES !!! :lolhit:



CIGARETTE IMAGES Miami to Key West to Boca Grande CLICK HERE !

Cool...Guess we all oughta just run right over to Roccard's shop with our engines for an upgrade---oh, you wouldn't happen to have Roccard's shop address/location too would you??? ;)

#101 BULLSH*T lane
unit A
NOWHERE USA 10010
:angry-smiley-038::evilb:

oh she flyin now!!! :bsflag:

[QUOTE=KAAMA;3566239]Sorry, I don't.

I only took a few pics while passing by...

[QUOTE=SHARKEY-IMAGES;3566542]Okay Shark----whew!!!...man, glad you cleared that up!!! My bad---I mean, you know....for a moment there I could have sworn you were giving Roccard an endorsement. :picard1:

:party-smiley-004:

[QUOTE=KAAMA;3566605]Nope.......just self promotion! :) :drink:

[QUOTE=PhantomChaos;3566769]Okay Nort, I just kinda thought this thread was about questionable engine building practices where innocent people have been scammed, and the prevention of any future scams----my bad again.

But hey, Shark has a right to post---we'll just have to consider it as a commercial interuption....hope it's okay to get back to the reason why this thread is here. :)

[QUOTE=KAAMA;3566902]ok then let the :lolhit: continue!!! lol

Is he the one with 2 ads running on the "Speedwake" site , roccardmarineengines.com :party-smiley-004:

BTW, I need to say this as I am trying to run out of the room---kinda hard to do with one foot stuck in my mouth.....

All joking aside, Tim (Sharkey's Images), I sincerely wish you and your photography business all the best!

Mark/KAAMA

5 or 6 years ago when he emerged with his OUTRAGEOUS hp claims that were never backed up by having a boat actually gain speed anywhere close to what he claimed he posted a dyno sheet on Speedwake. When we did the math based off his bsfc/lbs per hr numbers we figured out his OUTRAGEOUS 20+% correction factor he was using. When confronted by long time members about this he cried like a biotch to the owners who declared that "no backyard mechanics would be allowed to dare to question a paid advertiser". Several people got banned from there, I left on my own as I could see there was no integrety and if lies were allowed to be perpetuated then I wasn't wasting my time.
I haven't been back on there in years, I'm sure he is still trying to find "new" customers, I'm not sure how many repeat customers he would have, Smitty

Sorry Nort,

I thought I would provide a visual to this thread of the boat that seems to be part of this topic with a little humor thrown in. :drink:

I am better with images rather than words, so I let my images speak for me. I think my membership of 10 years allows that ? :) :drink:

Thanks for the call today Mark.

As I said, no offense taken whatsoever.

I knew "THE GIRL" threw you off !:evilb:

And yes, I was not talking about the boat flyin' .

I don't know any of the players here involved.

I apologize for the interruption.

Now back to the real purpose of this thread !!! :drink:

No worries......nice pic!

THANK YOU ! :)

he is still trying to find new customers.....

Caught with his pants down?
 

Now now Smitty. Don't put words into anyone's mouth. :lolhit:
Here's what was said by Speedwake:

This thread has been closed and a number of merit-less posts made in an attempt to discredit and cast doubt on a highly qualified and well respected engine builder by a few garage mechanics with limited experience have been deleted.

If you have a serious legitimate question I fully support you when you ask them in a dignified and professional manner but when a member (a non supporter at that) whose true identity and motives are unknown, calls a supporting member and respected advertiser's post a bunch of BS, I draw the line.

This type of behavior will not be tolerated and if any of the offending parties try it again, you will be immediately banned.

Mike posted: 540 CI N/A / 740 hp
Just finished this nice 540, ended up with some great power too. Hyd roller cam 92 oct pump gas.

Kidnova posted: Wow.... that's about 1.37 hp per CI.....

Scott/CFM posted :
350cid = 479.50
454cid = 621.98
502cid = 687.74

I thought it was a difficult read back then. Now it is a joke!

http://www.speedwake.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38227

If fraud is indeed proved then I wonder if Jeff would reconsider
the bans?

Alot of missing post on THAT thread:eek: there have been SEVERAL threads between OSO and Speedwake where some pretty outrageous claims have been made and things have gotten questioned! If I remember there was SEVERAL people questioning Roccard on that thread, I thought CFM got banned over it but I see he still shows up in the link. I was close in my summary of what Speedwake said though. There was a thread and I'm not sure if it was that one where the outrageous correction factor came up, it's hard to believe that these "professional" engine builders don't realize that a every day joe can QUICKLY see what there ACTUAL observed hp is IF they post bsfc/lb per hr data. They make it a point to show us CORRECTED hp but NOT ACTUAL hp or the correction factor. It is simple:
EXAMPLE- on a dyno sheet a motor is claimed to make 1000 hp , the lbs per hour fuel is 450, the BSFC is .55, you divide 450 by .55 comes out to 818 ACTUAL hp.
You now divide the CLAIMED hp with the ACTUAL hp:
1000 divided by 818= 1.22% correction factor, a correction factor that most shops would NEVER have unless dynoing at 10,000 feet!!! For people that STILL don't really understand what were saying when we say a 1.22% correction factor is outrageous, what it means is a 818 hp motor MAGICALLY gains 182 hp on PAPER that you don't really have!!!!!
Now I go a step further-I find the zip code for said engine builder, I then go on Weather Underground weather history for THAT zip code and the TIME shown on the dyno sheet. Find the corrected seal level baro, ambient air temp, dew point, average elevation and humidity. Convert the corrected sea level baro to station pressure to acount for location altitude, punch the data into a dyno calculator and find the ACTUAL correction factor that they SHOULD have used. Now I do know that it COULD be hotter in the dyno room BUT most dyno's plumb in a large volume of outside air directly onto the motor so numbers should be pretty close. If someones correction factor calculates to 25% (from dyno sheet) and the actual data calculates to 2.5% you know it is no mistake, a percent or 2 off, I could understand but 20%, no friggin way!! When Roccard was cornered over this at one point in a thread he responded with dyno's are real complicated and all have correction factors that people don't understand, blah, blah blah, when prodded/confronted FURTHER with actually data he responded that HIS dyno sucks hot air directly out of the attic, not outside so his intake air temp is really high along with his correction factor:bsflag:
This isn't something that I have singled Roccard out for either, I run the numbers on EVERY dyno sheet I see and quite often there is some :bsflag: going on
I got into this also with ANOTHER well known "engine builder" somewhere between Georgia and Kentucky over a 598 (with a 18+% correction factor) that he was proudly showing the dyno sheet on, HIS answer was that "the data on the sheet is wrong" (except the corrected hp numbers of course) now whenever he post a dyno sheet not only does it NOT show actual hp or correction factor used, he also edits off the bsfc and lbs per hr. If the numbers are LEGIT no "professional" engine builder should have any reason to hide the REAL data and such although it does give his ball washers a reason to tell him what a great guy he is and give him kudos etc, etc,
Smitty

lookin for new customers eh? great I have a toaster that needs a tune up!! :evilb:

I like the last post by Jeff/speedwake, Fing idiot now:grinser010:


Hey Smitty that pm we got from Cobramarty prob had a alternative motive:bigbird:

Jeff band me from there and I still can't get on. His loss not mine. I wouldn't support a web site that supports Roccard.

But, how DARE you question a paid advertsier :evilb:?? Although you ALSO paid him so wouldn't that give YOU the right to???? I have stayed away from Speedwake and I wasn't banned, only warned, Smitty

well gee, you only lost a "$150" cam:party-smiley-004:

i was thinking about checking out speedwake,but after seeing how they think,i won,t waste my time.:bsflag:

paid advertiser or not\
any forum, who cares\
if it smells like SH-T
it usually is
and good on anyone who stands by his word and integrity
good on ya for calling it the way it is
Banned you say ....... lifes a ***** and if you need the real meaning get married

------to take advantage of their pocketbook. Just finishing your sentence. Having been a person that has experienced the full sentence mentioned above, I sincerely hope that the newbe performance boater reads this post before investing his or her monies into "centsless" spending. No, my experience came at the hands (or mouth) of another Speedwake lurker.

Bingo. Spot on Smitty. Left that site without shedding one tear. Did not truly know the meaning of the word "Tool" til getting to know the site owner. He did introduce me into a new business theme, "Paid Falsehoods".

I really hope he tries to defend himself. No way. He KNEW exactly what was going on, and he turned a "tool eye" and did nothing!!!

My point is fellow members, guys like Roccard exist when they are enabled to do so by Internet site owners and/or moderators.

Richard dont you have a boat to finish?