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Old 03-10-2012 | 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by soldier4402
Wow you either have a very elaborate conspiracy theory or have had bad luck with cops. As much as most of dont like cops at times, I dont think anybody would really have thoughts or stories like this
Yes I agree with you, I have had some bad experiences. But I have also had more good experiences. The motorcycle accident was life changing. All I can do, is relate my experience and some of my thoughts from those experiences.

My biggest problem is that cops are supposed to be the good guys, they are supposed to be above bad/criminal behavior. Everyone lies, just some people lie more than others, some people are presupposed to errant behavior, it is expected to a certain extent in society. But the real problem is that the people in command are doing nothing to change bad behavior. When nothing is done to change that behavior, then it becomes ordained and supported by upper command.

Cops should be required to follow basic ethics and morals along with the law, just like everyone else at work. And charge them with a crime if they don't, the'll get a fair trial just like everyone else. If a government allows the police to operate outside of those three primary areas, then it is no longer a running constitutional government.

As for conspiracy theory, that is up for you to decide.

I grew up in both the US and Mexico with cops as family friends in both countries. The US cops back in the day, when it was a simple teenager thing, simply used to say go home, straight home, if you had not already harmed someone.

Nowadays, most go out of their way to make kids or the average citizen into major career criminal's,over petty little stuff. Keep in mind the US has more people in prison per capita than any other country in the world, yes the land of the free.

US cops for the most part in the past, would be courteous, unless you were not. Nowadays, most start off right away being DiK's. Especially the young ones. Probably to much tv and a inferiority complex.

Custom agents at the border back in the day were always azzholes. But now due to pressure from the constituents in Az, complaining to the state politicians, have now caused the custom agents to be more respectful.

Being a total *******-DiKhead, is not doing the job better. Better than 99.9% of the people going through the border do not traffic drugs, nor are they terrorist. Treating those better than 99.9% of border crosser's like criminals, does nothing to stop the ones that are. In fact it detracts from them doing the job correctly, because they spend to much time with one person strutting about acting arrogant, while the guy they need to catch, passes on by laughing their azz off.

The traffickers have watchers hang out and watch the border agents. They know their habits, they love the DiKheads, as they are easy to set up and keep busy while the guy with the load cruises on through. There is so much traffic, there is not enough resources/personal to physically search each and every vehicle passing through.

I have 41 years of passing through the border since I was 8 years old, not to mention the people I have known over the years on both sides of the industry.

I personally, have never been involved in trafficking drugs, that's not very smart, even though the odds are on the trafficker's side. Money is not that important to me, plus there are plenty of ways to make money legally, being rich and in prison or dead is not attractive to me. But watching everything go down for 41 years, has shown me that drug prohibition by the US has been one of the most harmful things the world has seen.

I am a disabled veteran, primary problem is a spinal injury, jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, PTSD. I smoke marijuana occasionally for muscle spasms in my back, and insomnia. I have a lot of other injuries, just had my 16th surgery to repair my shoulder, only 3 have been health related, the rest injury or wounds. I no longer take the pain pills and other medications the VA will prescribe me. After time they have no affect and get nothing but the side affects making things worse. Here in Arizona medical marijuana is legal, as is all drugs in Mexico for personal consumption. Mexico just a couple years ago legalized drugs for personal use. Heavy addicts are treated as a medical problem rather than a criminal problem. They have learned by experience what is the best way to handle human nature.

Here get it from the horses mouth. http://www.leap.cc/

A lot of countries in the past few years have legalized or decriminalized drugs. A number of Latin American countries have kicked out the US military and DEA, and IMF, not reported in US news. There is an Oliver Stone documentary about it, forget the name it is on netflix. A number allow people to grow marijuana at home. This stopped the drugs being sold on the street corner over night. Why buy it when you can grow it for practically nothing. The worlds countries are banding together and legalizing as they are sick an tired of the US violently enforcing US law in countries the US does not actually have jurisdiction in. Get out of the US news media learn another language or use a translator, you will get a very different story than what you hear in the US.

Mexican cops in the old day's, were always courteous, even if they were hitting you up for a couple of bucks, but even then it was because you actually did do something, wrong turn, run stop sign, speed through schools zone, etc. As I stated earlier, if you get violent, the Mexican cops do not have to worry about excessive force.

Now some of the Mexican cops who are getting the American training, are acting more like DiK's. That is what they have been taught by American instructors.

Like the old saying goes, you will get more fly's with sugar than vinegar.

Treating the average citizen like shiiit, does not help the cop do the job better. In fact it causes the general population to not want anything to do with the police.

Do you associate with people that are not honest and abuse you?

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The below is found on the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website. http://www.leap.cc/



Subject: Support Guatemalan president's call for drug legalization

Hi,

On Saturday February 11th, Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina declared that, following discussions with Colombian President Santos, he will present a proposal for drug legalization in Central America at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas. Guatemalan Vice-President Roxana Baldetti will begin a tour of Central America to discuss the proposal with regional leaders and garner support for it, starting with Panama, Costa Rica and Salvador on February 29th. Unsurprisingly, the move was greeted by a quick rebuke from the US government.
President Molina’s initiative is unprecedented and marks the first time since the launching of the War on Drugs by Richard Nixon in 1971 that a foreign head of state actively challenges the US-led policies of drug prohibition and try to build a coalition against it. A former general of the Guatemalan army, President Molina has impeccable credentials to launch such a move: he was elected in November 2011 on a law-and-order platform, pledging to restore security to the country. Guatemala is on the major transit route from Colombia to the US and drug violence has exploded there over the past few years, turning this already impoverished and unstable country into one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
We all need to show our support to President Molina and his potential Latin American allies. We also need to put pressure on the Obama administration to ensure that it doesn’t stall Molina’s proposal, and that it allows a truthful debate to take place at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas and beyond.

That's why I signed a petition to Otto Perez Molina, President of Guatemala, Roxana Baldetti, Vice-President, Guatemala, and 8 others.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://signon.org/sign/support-guate...p&r_by=3142571

Thanks!

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Old 03-10-2012 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SinOjos
Yes I agree with you, I have had some bad experiences. But I have also had more good experiences. The motorcycle accident was life changing. All I can do, is relate my experience and some of my thoughts from those experiences.

My biggest problem is that cops are supposed to be the good guys, they are supposed to be above bad/criminal behavior. Everyone lies, just some people lie more than others, some people are presupposed to errant behavior, it is expected to a certain extent in society. But the real problem is that the people in command are doing nothing to change bad behavior. When nothing is done to change that behavior, then it becomes ordained and supported by upper command.

Cops should be required to follow basic ethics and morals along with the law, just like everyone else at work. And charge them with a crime if they don't, the'll get a fair trial just like everyone else. If a government allows the police to operate outside of those three primary areas, then it is no longer a running constitutional government.

As for conspiracy theory, that is up for you to decide.

I grew up in both the US and Mexico with cops as family friends in both countries. The US cops back in the day, when it was a simple teenager thing, simply used to say go home, straight home, if you had not already harmed someone.

Nowadays, most go out of their way to make kids or the average citizen into major career criminal's,over petty little stuff. Keep in mind the US has more people in prison per capita than any other country in the world, yes the land of the free.

US cops for the most part in the past, would be courteous, unless you were not. Nowadays, most start off right away being DiK's. Especially the young ones. Probably to much tv and a inferiority complex.

Custom agents at the border back in the day were always azzholes. But now due to pressure from the constituents in Az, complaining to the state politicians, have now caused the custom agents to be more respectful.

Being a total *******-DiKhead, is not doing the job better. Better than 99.9% of the people going through the border do not traffic drugs, nor are they terrorist. Treating those better than 99.9% of border crosser's like criminals, does nothing to stop the ones that are. In fact it detracts from them doing the job correctly, because they spend to much time with one person strutting about acting arrogant, while the guy they need to catch, passes on by laughing their azz off.

The traffickers have watchers hang out and watch the border agents. They know their habits, they love the DiKheads, as they are easy to set up and keep busy while the guy with the load cruises on through. There is so much traffic, there is not enough resources/personal to physically search each and every vehicle passing through.

I have 41 years of passing through the border since I was 8 years old, not to mention the people I have known over the years on both sides of the industry.

I personally, have never been involved in trafficking drugs, that's not very smart, even though the odds are on the trafficker's side. Money is not that important to me, plus there are plenty of ways to make money legally, being rich and in prison or dead is not attractive to me. But watching everything go down for 41 years, has shown me that drug prohibition by the US has been one of the most harmful things the world has seen.

I am a disabled veteran, primary problem is a spinal injury, jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, PTSD. I smoke marijuana occasionally for muscle spasms in my back, and insomnia. I have a lot of other injuries, just had my 16th surgery to repair my shoulder, only 3 have been health related, the rest injury or wounds. I no longer take the pain pills and other medications the VA will prescribe me. After time they have no affect and get nothing but the side affects making things worse. Here in Arizona medical marijuana is legal, as is all drugs in Mexico for personal consumption. Mexico just a couple years ago legalized drugs for personal use. Heavy addicts are treated as a medical problem rather than a criminal problem. They have learned by experience what is the best way to handle human nature.

Here get it from the horses mouth. http://www.leap.cc/

A lot of countries in the past few years have legalized or decriminalized drugs. A number of Latin American countries have kicked out the US military and DEA, and IMF, not reported in US news. There is an Oliver Stone documentary about it, forget the name it is on netflix. A number allow people to grow marijuana at home. This stopped the drugs being sold on the street corner over night. Why buy it when you can grow it for practically nothing. The worlds countries are banding together and legalizing as they are sick an tired of the US violently enforcing US law in countries the US does not actually have jurisdiction in. Get out of the US news media learn another language or use a translator, you will get a very different story than what you hear in the US.

Mexican cops in the old day's, were always courteous, even if they were hitting you up for a couple of bucks, but even then it was because you actually did do something, wrong turn, run stop sign, speed through schools zone, etc. As I stated earlier, if you get violent, the Mexican cops do not have to worry about excessive force.

Now some of the Mexican cops who are getting the American training, are acting more like DiK's. That is what they have been taught by American instructors.

Like the old saying goes, you will get more fly's with sugar than vinegar.

Treating the average citizen like shiiit, does not help the cop do the job better. In fact it causes the general population to not want anything to do with the police.

Do you associate with people that are not honest and abuse you?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The below is found on the Law Enforcement Against Prohibition website. http://www.leap.cc/



Subject: Support Guatemalan president's call for drug legalization

Hi,

On Saturday February 11th, Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina declared that, following discussions with Colombian President Santos, he will present a proposal for drug legalization in Central America at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas. Guatemalan Vice-President Roxana Baldetti will begin a tour of Central America to discuss the proposal with regional leaders and garner support for it, starting with Panama, Costa Rica and Salvador on February 29th. Unsurprisingly, the move was greeted by a quick rebuke from the US government.
President Molina’s initiative is unprecedented and marks the first time since the launching of the War on Drugs by Richard Nixon in 1971 that a foreign head of state actively challenges the US-led policies of drug prohibition and try to build a coalition against it. A former general of the Guatemalan army, President Molina has impeccable credentials to launch such a move: he was elected in November 2011 on a law-and-order platform, pledging to restore security to the country. Guatemala is on the major transit route from Colombia to the US and drug violence has exploded there over the past few years, turning this already impoverished and unstable country into one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
We all need to show our support to President Molina and his potential Latin American allies. We also need to put pressure on the Obama administration to ensure that it doesn’t stall Molina’s proposal, and that it allows a truthful debate to take place at the April 14-15 Summit of the Americas and beyond.

That's why I signed a petition to Otto Perez Molina, President of Guatemala, Roxana Baldetti, Vice-President, Guatemala, and 8 others.

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

http://signon.org/sign/support-guate...p&r_by=3142571

Thanks!
I agree. Lets face it all cops arent bad they are like you and I. There are bad ones and that are bad agencies that I would guess the whole shop is bad. People dont like cops a lot because simply they are the front line of the justice system and put us in jail or give tickets. As a cop you are dealing with the trash of society on a daily basis. People fighting you, cursing you, spitting on your, etc etc etc. And that has to wear on any individual.
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