Velocity320 is a RIPOFF!!!!
 

I want to thank Rob for the 1700.00 dollars worth of scrap metal that he sold me.. I bought a pair of "clean fresh water only" Stainless Marine gen 3, 4.5 inch manifolds and tails off of him in June, for my new 540 build, they arrived and sat in the boxes until Ron Potter opened them and installed them a few weeks ago. We had to have custom tails made to fit them and when Ron got the boat final rigged and fired it on the hose they leaked like there was no tomorrow!!!!!! I called the guy Matt at his business Specialized German that he had me dealing with, two weeks ago as soon as we found out they were bad...Rob is on Vacation...I explained I DO NOT want to start a ****ty thread, just send me my money back, and Potter will box them up and return them..Matt states he cant do anything until Rob gets back...I waited and after Rob has now returned from vacation, I was told no Refunds!!! I love how a fellow OSO member and boater has PHUCKED ME out of 1700.00 DOLLARS!!!!! I already ordered and had Ron install new manifolds so I can go boating. :angry-smiley-038:

If he sold you junk not a nice thing!Is it little pin holes pissing water??

Do I understand that you got them in June but did not install them tell now or even open the boxes tell now? I am suprised that they are leaking, never heard of it. Did they look clean? Were did they leak from?

Yes, they sat in the boxes at Potter shop, while he was building the engine, he opened and installed them, called me immediately after firing the boat to tell me they had numerous leaks, and he had to pull the plugs, and change the oil on my brand new engine, to get all the water out. I have bought and sold many parts on here, and would gladly refund someones money if I sold them defective stuff. I have a reputable engine builder that can verify they sat at his place unopened after I received them.

Why do people buy used manifolds and not get them tested? Especially on a new engine!!!

If the manifolds were in good shape as they were represented to be when sold, I would not have had a problem now would I?

I just bought a used forged crank that had been magnufluxed good per seller. I got it and had my guy magnuflux it and it has a crack 2/3 of the way around #2 main journal. Its now on the back of my truck going to the scrap yard. So in answer to your question, yes you need to do your due diligence with used no matter what the seller says or you will be out even more than the price of the junk. None of that excuses misrepresenting parts then not returning them, just that you need to validate the stated condition on critical used parts. The ahole I got the crank from 1 day later wouldn't even take the crank back. He said how could he know I didn't swap it with a junk crank.... focker...... :angry-smiley-038:

I have two pair of CMI headers that are 10 years old I took off my boat since I'm rebuilding everything. The headers look pretty great, but no way would I put them back on my new engines. Looks isn't everything.....if someone buys them, they should test them and if they leaked, well......too bad. Get them fixed.....they are used!

I think the part that sucks is that it has been so long. I mean if I sold something 6 months ago I would assume that the guy was using them and happy. Maybe he knew they were junk who knows but I am sure the money is spent at this time. I have got bad parts before that I have not opened for a long time to find out that they do not work or what ever and I chalk it up to my fault I waited so long. I am not trying to minimalize what you are going through and it does suck. I am still baffled that they were leaking so bad but your builder could not visibly see the problem. Now that he has taken them off can he see were they are leaking? Are we talking pin holes hear or a crack from poor winterization, both sides or just one????

Nort not everyone is a pimp like you! :D Some of us can only afford to play this game with used parts. I think you should pack up those manifolds and send them my way. I don't want you to have to worry about ruining some ones motors, better they ruin my junk! :D

Not pimpin.....just common sense. I could send them out and get tested, they might be okay, or maybe they have a lead that could be fixed, but then what....six months down the road they spring a leak again, damage an engine and you're starting all over. It's like putting on condom that has been used. Get it tested or a new one. You just don't want a leak! :D

they looked like new ????? http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d-exhaust.html

I would be interesting to hear how the guy that bought the other set made out. I agree the SM are a rock solid non leaker of a pipe and find it odd they leaked. I'd want to see the leaking pipe hooked to a garden hose with my own eyes if I were searaycer.

1st off I agree, they are great manifolds, BUT, I've seen them leak if used in Saltwater, no flushing, and the anodes aren't the correct ones for saltwater.

Exterior looks nice, insides leak like a damn sprinkler!

PC,
I just about spit water all over my keyboard:drink:

I'm sure that treatment would wipe them out in a couple years, the other set sold should be the same.

From the wording of the ad, it sounds like seller never used them. So, if they looked ok to him, looked ok to you, and looked ok to the engine builder, how could he know there was a problem? Now six months later, you want your money back. C'mon man. start a poll in General Discussion section and I'll bet 90% or better of members wouldn't give you a refund in this circumstance.

Real simple skullcrusher, whether they passed through my hands, and unknowingly were junk or not, as the seller I would refund the money, especially when I have a reputable third party to attest to the fact they were junk right out of the box...If I had been using them for six moths and they developed a leak you would not here a peep out of me... I guess I am just a stand up kind of guy! I also waited two weeks after the problem was discovered for ROB to get back from vacation before I started this thread.

sorry skullcrusher,searay is right,he was told they were good,and they were not/its all about doing the right thing,just my 02.

phantomchaos,do you know the difference in a used condom and a snake?:lolhit:

I'm willing to bet someone so cheap as to put on a used condom isn't, and never will be, a boat owner!!!! :eek:

I've pretty much given up on buying used parts, short of props.. Very rarely do you get what you expected, last thing I bought out of the swap shop was a sea strainer that had a pin-hole crack when I pressure tested it. Same situation, bought it and it sat in a box for a year until I was ready to install it. At that point I couldn't even remember who I bought it from and I would make a pretty good bet that was the reason they sold it, sometimes you just have to learn the hard way.

strainer can be welded... quit crying and learn how to improvise if ya cant afford new parts

You bought them and didnt check them out for 6 months? Sounds like the guy sold them in good faith.

To be honest with you if I sold something and 6 months later you called me I would hang up on you. How do I know what you did with it after it left my possesion?

funny you say that I have heard of this before.

SM told my brother that they intentionally make the outside of the manifold thinner than the inside so they leak on the outside first... this way you see the leak and pull them before screwing up an engine. The reason he asked is where he lived in the keys at the time had really 'hot' water and he went through two sets over a few years time and they always leaked on the outside first.

So, with that said, it seems strange as hell that they leaked into your engine but look fine on the outside.

I know it can be welded, thank you for the info.

My point was Swap shop stories of bad parts being passed off as good are becoming more and more common.

My last post on the situation he got 1700 dollars, I got phucked, thats it in a nutshell!

for 1500 and a round trip ticket i would personal hand deliever them to him.:angry-smiley-038:

So he gets sold defective parts but it's his fault? Really?

Say he checks them out the next day instead of 6 months later and they're defective...then the deal is no good?

Come on...if the seller didn't check the parts before selling then he should state that the parts are buyer beware since he has no idea as to their condition. I wouldn't and haven't sold defective parts and most here would do the same.

How did you get phucked? You bought used manifolds and paid a used price for them! IMO, if you didn't check them out then you phucked yourself.

He bought them six months ago. I think in that swap thread he even stated that he bought them on ebay and didn't use them. They aren't "defective"......they are used and have a problem. I bet the seller would be easier to work with if it was within a week or so, but it's been six months!

+ 1. If I was going to use used manifolds on a new motor build I would have inspected them as soon as I received them and had them pressure tested. In fact, I would have indicated to the seller that I was going to have them tested and made sure he agreed up front to take them back in the event they were not as advertised. Now, this doesn't necessarily protect you from getting screwed but at least you have better documentation on the transaction. As the seller, I too would be weary of someone coming back on me 6 months after selling a used item. Again, this assumes he sold them in good faith. It was in your best interest to have inspected the manifolds as soon as you received them.

I agree

Too long a time period after the sale, regardless of any "reputable" whatever vouching that the exhausts weren't used. I will refund money for these type sales within a set time period agreed upon via email except for the shipping. After that I must assume the part was installed and used. The exhausts may have been misrepresented by the seller but not necessarily deliberately. The buyer may be a "stand up guy" but how is the seller to know that? Regardless I believe it's the purchasers responsibility to check the purchased equipment within a reasonable time frame. Come on man!!

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I've learned my lesson on used parts, check them out AS SOON as you get them. I wouldn't refund your money 6 mos. later on the word of the pope. I don't know him. Who's to say you didn't use them for those mos?

As for using used parts on brand new engines, I learned my lesson there too. Built 2 new 540's and installed the CMI's that where fine the end of last season. One had an internal leak and hurt the one engine right away. From now on, any time the headers come off they get pressure tested before going back on. Cheap test, expensive fix.

I agree with you for once. I mean people are saying the seller should have inspected them, but what if the seller wasnt a techincal expert on that part? I mean as far as the seller knows he bought them thinking they were working or they were working when he took them off. Cant blame him.

Its really kind of stupid to buy something and not even open the box up. It would have been one thing if you bought them opened the box and installed them within a week and wanted to try to reconcile with the seller. But even then once a used item is for sale its final. Ive bought and sold things and its always been at the buyers risk. Once it leaves my possesion I have no clue what you did with it. It would be one thing if you bought a from a dealer or junk yard and was a certified part.

I feel you pain I to made the mistake of buying used exhaust that was just removed fromt he guys Fountain! Yeah removed because they were junk! After costly modifacations during the intall removing my silent choice and two engine milksahakes I had to buy new manifolds and risers after all. Turned out they had a crack in the water jacket It was about a $4000.00 lesson when all was said and done. I will never buy used anything again!!

I bought a set of "used" motors in parts from a very reputable engine builder and let them sit for 5 months till I opened up the crate. Complete garbage with almost nothing worth anything. Didnt even dare complain as I had waited that long. Very expensive lesson learned

NK