What are my options on a bad engine deal?
 

I am sure that I already know the answer to this question but what course of action if any can be taken if someone from OSO sells you an engine that is suppose to be a good running engine and you find out that it has a cracked cylinder? The only other part to this is that I had both engines shipped 500 miles to me.

With the way that this thing was gushing water without ever getting past idol and it had a bent intake pushrod on the same cylinder I am 99.9% sure that he knew that he was screwing me over on this deal.

What are my options on a bad engine deal?
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Will ultimatly depend on what kind of paper trail you can show to proove your case should it end up in court. emails, phone calls, prinetd out add's etc...
If you have contacted them and they are unwilling to resolve this then you can put a little pressure on them here on the board. Maybe people who know them can lean on them to do the right thing...

You are 500 miles away - chasing him is equivalent to pissing in the wind. Contact him, tell him the issue and try to get a compromise - money to repair the motor. If he will not budge try to contact some members in his area that may know him and see if they can help. After that - bad mouth the $#!+ out of him till the cows come home.

Have you contacted the seller? 1st things 1st

take the engine apart, sleeve the cylinder in question, replace the parts that need replaced, learn a valuable lesson and move on... you'll waste more money chasing this ******* and get nothing, than just fix it and move on... thats likely why it was sold that way...

How much money you talkin about ?

depends on what they are, but sleeve installed is $4-500, plus one piston and ring set (for that cyl)
gaskets, and the pushrod he said bent, maybe a grand???
if no other damage

Would be interested to see how much the original purchase price was.

May not be worth fighting and do just as you say.
Fix it

usually the case

can you atleast say what state theyre in.and are they still active here.

Fixing the thing is probably what is going to happen anyway but that was not the point. I had it priced out today at 400 for the sleeve, cam bearings and labor. I don't know about the rest of the parts yet I still need to price them out.

I don't know enough about engines to know if the damage was there before i bought it or not so I do nor want to say names. I had them shipped from texas.

500 miles?? Thats only a 4 1/2 hr drive when I'M pizzed , tell us the details like-price, what was claimed or promised before you paid-if guy said motor is turn key runs great and you paid him 7500 each then be in his driveway when he wakes up in morning asking for a refund. If you paid 1000 each and he said they are used, never ran them have no idea of the condition then you got what you paid for, Smitty

Going to cost you much more than 400 $ to take a motor down from full dress sitting in your boat NOT running right to being back out, torn down, stripped clean, hot tanked, cylinder bored THEN sleeved, THEN block re-decked, complete gaskets kit, head gaskets, cam bearings, freeze plugs, rings , re-assembled not to mention ANYTHING else that is significantly worn while apart-ie timing chain, lifters, valve job, cam, pistons, oil pump etc. Then re-assembled, re-dressed out and re-installed back into your boat!!

That was just the cam bearings, sleeve and work associated with sleeving it. I am completly capable of removing and installing the engine and accessories but don't know enough YET about engines but have a feeling that is about to change. At this point i would have been better off rebuilding the blown engine I allready have sitting in my garage.

The deal was that I was buying two 330 engines one that had hydrolocked and the other was supposed to be drop in ready add shipping from Houston area TX to Omaha NE.

Another lesson learned the hard way.

For the third time...how much did you pay for them ?

I am not sure if you can even tell or not if this was a long time issue that he would have known about or not. My first thoughts were that yes he should have know by the way it would have ran and also that there was no way I could have caused this without ever running it past 2000 rpm for the less than 10 total min it ran in my garage but then again I don’t know enough to say.

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ok well there was your first clue before they left the place... "HYDRAULIC LOCK UP" that is water in the cylinder, or gas, but either or means $$$

this is the cause of your HYDRAULIC problem, was likely all along, but impossible to see without partial engine disassembly, or a really good bore scope

That is a pic of the "drop in ready" engine and not the hydrolocked engine.

I just looked at your picture. Yes it can be easily sleeved. You may even be able to use piston, if not showing signs of any damage. If you bought it with out checking it out first, I hate to say; bought as is. If the person is a business, I feel that's a different path. Do you feel they sold it knowing it was cracked? Was the engine rebuilt at some time before this? That crack, just didn't show up. A pin hole, I would believe.
You have to contact the seller and see if they have any integrity. I would ask them for the fair amount to repair it, or send it back for a refund, plus shipping. It would be better for them to agree to repairs. Tear down, sleeve, rebore them hone, assy. The tricky part will be sleeving and removing the distortion in the opposing cylinders with out going over size on clearance.

nice...

Ok here is the add from the swap shop.

2 330hp 454's
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I have 2 454 engines. One is complete and running, the match to it injested some water and needs rebuild. I have all the parts for the one that needs rebuild. These are the 330hp low hour motors. I purchased rebuilt engines that have maybe 100hours on them but got water in one because of bad exhaust manifolds. Make me an offer. I need them gone.

I'm not sure how you feel you where screwed? The add clearly states that the engine ingested water and needs a rebuild. I would expect to see a few bent pushrods, matbe a cracked piston and maybe even a bent rod or two depending on how hard it was running when it locked up so these questions should have been asked before purchase. Chances are he didn't know the block was cracked unless he tore the engines down to inspect. So the way it looks is that you knew you had to rebuild that engine and at most are out the costs of the sleeve. The rest of the machine work and parts like gaskets, bearings etc you would haave spent anyway during the rebuild. IMO

ok... first, most people reading this arent listening, neither is the op.

one motor was drop in ready to run(this is the one with the damaged #8 cylinder)
the other motor was hydro'd and needs rebuilt.......


HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR THE RUNNING READY TO GO ENGINE?
sheeeeesh

It’s all good, I don’t think anyone actually reeds all of the comments before putting in there opinions on forums and I know that I am guilty at times.

I usually don’t like to talk cash but shipped to my location I have 1600 invested into two engines BOTH needing repaired.

Jeff, I do understand what you are saying and partially agree but to me getting what you pad for means that you ended up with the product that was advertised and you paid for no matter what the price was.

I think this one was more of a too good to be true situation.

As I had said earlier this was a large lesson learned. Moving on is not only the next move but the only move.

Sorry, I did mis read the post stating that it was the running engine that had the problem. Still, for what you paid I think that it could be alot worse. it might still be worth it to see if the seller will work with you, but I wouldn't count on it. Out him anyway and have him explain it to us.

$1600 for two complete BBC marine engines freight included??? and we're surprised that there's a problem? and you also got parts along with that deal??? I can't really see what you're complaining about? sounds like they were sold off as cores at that price and why you wouldn't have at least gone thru them is beyond my comprehension... sorry don't mean to be a ball buster but the shipping was likely $500. so I think for a $Gnote ya did well... try to buy all that sh*t separately and see how much it costs, I'm sure your opinion will change in a hurry

While I do feel for you, 1600 is pretty cheap. As I said you bought a matched set, one had already failed...how long before the other fails? 1600 shipped is dirt cheap, you should still be happy

Do you buy then dressed or just engines? Seems to me you could sell all the accessories on each engine and come out on top.

For what you have invested you can rebuild, have a fresh engine and still be ahead IMO. Plus after going through them you will know what you have top to bottom

As stated above, I dont think you can expect much in the BBC catagory for that price. If they were worth more, the seller may have asked for more.

I think you could end up doing well on the deal. You have three motors. Combine the best parts of all three and sell off all the remainder on craigslist.

And yes, I know in reality it is more work than it sounds like.

Problem solved

cheap, fast, reliable...pick 2, that is all you get!

exactly... go thru, rebuild them top to bottom, then ya have what "YOU" know to be fresh ready to run engines... :whistle:

Thank you guys for your comments! That is why I started this thread and appreciate your opinions.

you have 2 rebuilts both needing work? bore your block that you know and trust to the size of the pistons in the 2 rebuilts.then take the best crank, etc and build one. THEN, consider pressure testing the other 2 blocks and decide if either is worth throwing any more money at.

Ok,so you had a choice to rebuild your engine but decided not to.Then you purchased a complete running engine and an engine that needs to be rebuilt with 100hrs. One injested water do to bad manifolds.That tells me that the other engine is ready to drop in.No where does it say "both" motors need to be rebuilt.Yes,it's a great deal to some,but if oyur budget is like mine I'd want what was advertised! Now instead of having to deal with one broken motor you have 3.How is that a deal? And if it is,why aren't other member's making you offers?For 5 bucks You ordered a 12oz. ribeye and got a 16 oz. burger instead.You aren't interested in a burger at all but what a deal. Be happy?

if it helps i can find you two truck blocks maybe were in the auto recycling buisness if i can help pm me and i will give you my phone number. but when dealing with used stuff cheaper isnt always better. ive learned the hard way, and very hard:angry-smiley-038:

No matter what you paid you didn't get what was advertised. Period. But my guess is that the seller won't take them back. There are a lot of sleazy people in this sport. I've been taken in a deal like this before. My advice is let it go and try to get it rebuilt the right way. Don't cut any corners and enjoy your boating.

I completely agree with SkiDoc and Knot Slow. It this point moving on is the only thing worth doing but I would like to know if the seller knew about this before shipping them.

Have you tried contacting the seller?