your not getting what I am saying.

Grifters rely on their ability to judge character. Who they will hurt and who will hurt them. Yes, so far they remain lucky. But, grifters nonetheless. Since they continue their ways it's important to keep warnings posted. Hence, the controversy concerning the thread removal. A warning sign removed, while the hazard remains means another victim.

I disagree, that's all.
Now, back to Pantera.....

I'm with you 100%. Several sites protect scum like these guys. I have lost several (what I thought to be) friends over making others aware of scammers in my area. The way I was raised is your word is your bond. And a deal could be sealed with a handshake. Hell. No one know how to properly shake a hand anymore, if at all. I hope to read about their luck running out. Carry on.

Every good business has a customer review section, they realize some will be positive and some negative that's just business , I'm guessing they understand this would not help them in there future business so I doesn't exists ! These threads serve as that section for them !

You also know that as part of the deal Berk can not publicly state any fact or opinions regarding the manufacturer so don't expect to see him here. However, I wonder if that becomes null & void if the manufacturer doesn't pay him a single penny. If they had $125K sitting around they would have built him a boat.

How does one pay $125 for a 28' boat that's not an OL or Skater anyway?

I believe near the end the builder was trying to provide a powerboat (complete with tacky name on fairing). But, the screwing they provided was of such high quality, it extinguished the desire to own the powerboat. As it would be a constant reminder of the troubled times. Cash back/clean severance was all that would be accepted.

Cuz a OL is in the 200k range if I'm not mistaken

And they don't screw their customers if I'm not mistaken.

Wasn't debating that... just debating the price calm down a little bit hot shot

The courts decision not to your liking I see. Debating that?

Nope not debating that either... just the price difference between a pantera and outerlimits. Cant you read???

Well, you've come a considerable distance Pilgrim. Haven't you? It's about high time you recognized Pantera for what they are. Cheap scammers. Welcome into the light!

I would still buy a pantera. They are awesome boats. Just wouldn't pay for 1 up front. It would have to be sitting out front complete. The marine business is full of shady characters. I once heard a story that a boat builder got shot over money being taken from a different builder and didn't get repaid. Its not the first time or the last someone will get ripped off in the marine industry

Your powerful testimony concerning Pantera's shady business practice is appreciated Brother 88. Truly inspirational.

I don't believe the build quality is in question - I'm sure anyone could build a awesome boat if they had 2-3years to build it! Panteta has figured out that one mans money will pay for another mans boat, but failed to realize they would run out of customers and leave the last man boat less ( BERK ) ! Back in court once again with fingers crossed hoping this time they don't get taken to the cleaners and loose everything as they should, there attorney probably the luckiest attorney on the planet as much time as they spend in court is waiting by the dedicated phone line he has set up for them to ring, they fall back on the - " been in the buisness for 300 years and we build quality boats " never memtiong they just don't deliver them, few questions asked by OSO members but nothing but crickets ! You could have read this played out many times if the threads had not been takin down, I bet BERK if he had access to those threads would have passed on them and wouldn't have had to go through all he has to recover his money ! They got let off easy, what about interest that money would have collected over the years - pain and suffering etc !

I just hope that Betk can collect all he is due and move past this !

if they cant produce a boat in 3 years do you think they will produce berk,s money? me no think so!

Might have to go out in the back yard and start digging up those mason jars of cash.

my guess is the jars are as empty as jo,s promises.

Yes, his promises are empty. Not so sure about the mason jars though. The ones buried from business decades past. We shall see.

I sure hope so ! I can't even imagine having that kind of money stolen from me, I'm sure it's caused BERK a lot of problems, sleepless nights, marital, financial and of coarse no water enjoyment !

Went from the highest high to the lowest low, excited about a new boat to money recovery ! I don't see this being any different than robbing a bank except in this case the punishment doesn't fit the crime !'

yes, i know what you mean,some guys would have gone off the deep end over a deal like this one:waffen093:

Some people might not get your new avatar. Myself, I got a chuckle:evilb:

Maybe sell more "carburetors"......

One thing for sure. If those self inflated crooks have to dig into their own cash reserve to pay Berk, it will twist them up psychologically. Not to mention financially. Now that's justice.

but are they diging in to there own cash or is it the money they took from berk?

Have to ask Jo that. He lies so easily, he might not be able to give a truthful answer. That's what happens with these guys that don't work for a living, the ones that scam most of their spending cash from guys that do. They lose touch with reality, living in a delusional state. Bad people to do business with. Some (like Berk) find that out the hard way.

"Available : New custom made Pantera 28' SR sitting here on the factory floor ready to drop in any power. Can also be sold complete less motor. The boat is near completion and can be seen here at the Pantera factory. For additional information please feel free to email us at [email protected] Thanks "

Copied from their FB page. Probably the boat that was never finished for Berk. So if it sells do you think the money will go to Berk or laundered into the Pantera laundry ?

If the BEWARE section is working properly, they will go out of business owning it.......soon.

more than likely they will have to step in and recapitalize the business out of their own pockets

from the old thread it appeared they had attempted to shelter some of the more important molds by having them in someone elses name and then doing a lease back, but I would imagine that only goes so far

also there is still the actual name and trademarks and other things that while damaged still mean more than new boat company name run by the people that had to start a new company because they ran the old one into the ground and went under owing customers cash and or a boat

and it appeared they had really only managed to shelter one mold or two not all of them and also there is every chance that if a plaintiff was able to win a judgement and take over assets they could well take over a lease on a mold that has been paid up front and or take over the lease and start building with that mold since the lease would be part of the assets.......this has happened (and continues to happen) with large farm bankruptcies lately where a large farmer has leased up a lot of acres by offering high rents and when they go under the land owner suddenly finds themselves unable to break the lease entirely and instead forced into taking a lesser payment from either the same farmer after reorganization or by who ever buys the assets of the failed farmer

if there was a 5 year lease on the molds for $1,000 per month (just an example) there is a chance the mold "owner" could find themselves getting that payment from the person that took control of the company assets or even ending up taking a lesser amount once it was all said and done if there was no way to pay the actual judgement

and depending on how the lease contract was written who knows how that could go it could be anything from seeing the molds loaded up and sent to a far away country (if there was no protections that they remained in a particular state for the period of the lease) or they could be leased and used to store cattle manure or sewage sludge if there was no specifications about what conditions the molds were to be used for and kept in and what conditions and penalties for damage there might be upon ending of the lease

and really it would only take a day to trash the hell out of them once in the control of the new asset owner and good luck getting a far away court system in another country to award damages for high performance boat molds once the "local" in that country explains to the judge in private how it all went down.....and in the end payment of one months lease on the molds to gain control of them and then loading them up and shipping them off or coming in and chainsawing them in half is all that it would take to pretty much put a major hurt on anyone needing those molds to actually build boats......and again good luck with any type of collections from an out of country interest/party

even with the molds owned by "others" (close family members) there was still way too much risk about losing control of those molds and other assets for way too long of a period of time and the probable lack of protections to the treatment and handling of those molds once they were in the control of others for the defendant to not step in and settle the case and make the restitution

"It is a new 41' and being powered with outboards and extended cockpit." They're also showing that on their FB page. Appears to be the first build activity since the Berk boat build long ago.

I posted a smart ass "Is that Berks Boat" on their FB page. I am guessing it will be deleted in 5.....4....3..2..1.

that and most liely!!!! i just noticed another one of their possible scams,,head caps,hoodies and t shirts..people buy them and they never get their product !! lol

Stay hot on their 6!!!!

Looks like they changed their settings on their FB page. Now you can only post comments if you are a "member" of their page. Oh and of course any comments that were made regarding Berks boat have been removed..... I don't normally post things like that on FB. But I hate thieves and liers..... So I made an exception...

we should make a beware of pantera boat page lol

There have been plenty of them, they all disappear eventually.

Does this story sound familiar?

Many years ago there lived a boater who cared only about boats and about showing one off. One day he heard from two swindlers that they could make the finest boat called Pantera and delivered with the most beautiful craftsmanship. This boat delivery and craftsmanship, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit to see it.

Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the boat, the boater first sent two of his most trusted Pantera owners to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the boat and so praised it. All the Pantera owners had also heard of the new Pantera and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.

The boater then allowed himself to be dressed in the Pantera for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see the boat. For he was afraid that the other boaters would think that he was stupid.

Of course, all the Pantera owners wildly praised the magnificent new boat, afraid to admit that they could not see the boat, until a small child said:

"But there is no boat"!

This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the new Pantera owner had nothing. The Pantera owner heard it and felt that they might be correct, but held his head high and finished the procession anyway.

The New Year is less than 1 hour old. Yep, they're still crooks.

if he built crappy boats, this would be non-issue. but when he makes (made?) boats, people want them. fortunately, there are quite a few used Panteras out there. so you can actually have a Pantera instead of just having paid for one...