Your eBay guy responded to the message I sent him on eBay-

"The guy who Bid on my Boat didn't have the money, He took me for a ride for a week, telling me every day that he was coming to pick up the Boat, Then I contacted Ebay for bad feed Back that's why he's talking all that crap about my Boat. Thank you, I will show your message to Ebay."

Not a very detailed explanation lol. I don't know what to think, proceeded with caution I guess??

Since he relisted it, he should have put the correct location of the boat..no matter where his "winter home" is. Also if it's in Ft. Lauderdale during the winter it's not a fresh water boat. Some of the things just don't add up to me with the lister. As for the buyer I can't see where his ad states anything about a deposit within X hours of end of the listing. That should be in the details if that's what he expects. No way in hell would I wire anyone I don't know any amount of money these days unless it was a dealer and I had all the legit paperwork. Selling something that's in someone else's name can turn into a PITA in a hurry.

I think the whole point of this thread is "proceed with caution". When I bought something big off ebay (Jaguar XJR) the seller had reasonable demands. Sent him a 500$ deposit and went to look at it a week or so later.

I would be skeptical too if some guy was pressuring me to wire money.....

Conversely if I was selling something This big I would speak with the buyer and work to accommodate him within reason

From the Ebay web site:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/item-location.html

Item location misrepresentation policy
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Sellers must be clear and accurate about the location their item will be shipped or picked up from. We don't allow false, inaccurate, vague, or misleading information about the location of an item in the Item location field or description. When listing items for sale, sellers are expected to provide the city, state and country of their item so shipping charges and delivery times can be accurately calculated and communicated to buyers.

Also, if there is a location stated in the item description, it has to match the location in the item location field.

Make sure your listing follows these guidelines. If it doesn't, it may be removed, and you may be subject to a range of other actions, including limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account.

Sounds like a SCAM... Now the listing does NOT have a LOCATION.

John

Local99, Thanks for the heads up on the situation. I have bought and sold lots of large items over the internet and there are unfortunately LOTS of scammers both buying and selling. I agree with you that something appears fishy to say the least! If it walks, talks, smells, and tastes like sh.. then it probably is. If it is listed in one location and is actually in another that is an Ebay violation and is reason not to complete the sale. NEVER wire money to an unknown source as it cannot be recovered! Run as fast as you can from deals that don't feel right. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the boat search, Rob

You Know what? you're a BULL****TER, its easy to talk **** about people, you just don't have the money to buy this Boat, you were wrong and EBAY put your account in bad standing because you're a liar, that's why you had to change your account, My Ebay account will stay like that because I have nothing to hide, you take people for ride, we enjoy this Boat everyday in Ontario and I will continue to enjoy it until its sold, ( People be careful with this guy) don't do business with him, he'll put you in trouble with all is lies, he's not even MAN enough to call and try to arrange things, he just make his wife call for Him!! LOL
NO MONEY NO CANDY BODDY :)

looks like thats the other side of the story

You know what screams bullsh*t? The fact that the boat is still listed as being in Florida. You just confirmed right here that the boat is indeed in Ontario. YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THE LOCATION. So now it begs to question if the boat has a US or Canadian title. If it needs to be imported into the US, there is a 1.5% duty fee, which is a nice little added chunk of change that isn't accounted for when the listing shows the boat as already being in the US. Nowhere in your listing do you state the boat is in Canada. Do not sit there and call someone a liar when it is blatantly obvious that you are purposely misleading people. As others have previously stated: When it comes to larger sums of money, if you are not 100% honest 100% of the time, no one should give you a dime. I've made that $40,000 mistake before, and I don't blame this guy for backing out on when things were not as they were stated. Fix your listing, until then, you are the liar.

would that boat fall under the catagory of "american goods returning" since it was mfg in the us? anyone know?

That is the best argument ever bro! Instead of countering all the arguments presented you call me a "Bull****ter" despite the evidence proposed. Tactic of a weak minded individual. You are a shady POS. I tried to work with you and all you did was give me a "it's my way or the highway" It is easy to tell everyone I didn't have financing. I will say this 45 more times. Pre-approved. YOU wouldn't take a cashiers check and a cash down payment. If you were upfront and truthful from the beginning the deal would have been done by now.
And what lies did I tell you? And furthermore why are you using a boat that is still registered to Kirstie and Duffy? Not MAN enough to put the title in your name? SMH

You are an idiot! You list something for sale in Florida and it's in another country yet you still think you are right? Get a clue you shady curb monkey vehicle flipper.

Ummmmm also..... I have the same account on Ebay....good standing.... Do you just say anything to try to validate yourself?

Having now heard both sides of this story, I think it went down pretty much like Local99 originally posted.. Instead of posting "his" side of the story with facts, the seller has just resorted to calling the OP names. This is a common behavior of someone who has been called out on his BS. The fact that the boat is listed in FL and is actually in Canada is a huge deal. If I had bought this boat, sight unseen (as I have done two previous times) then expected to pay $2500-$3000 (or what ever it cost to transport it from FL to my state) and then found out the boat was actually sitting in Canada, I would want out of the transaction immediately (fortunately the OP never wired or gave this guy a dime). Add to that, it sounds like the person selling the boat isn't even on the title....... Taking the financing/certified check/wire transfer out of the equation and this deal still smells fishy

It should... yes. Here is the form. Pretty straightforward and simple.

http://forms.cbp.gov/pdf/CBP_Form_3311.pdf

I was talking to a new (to him) boat owner recently and he purchased a 2007 Formula from Ontario and brought it back to U.S.A.. He said boat was re-entering the country of manufacture so he filled out a form and was not charged a certain tax. I do not know if this covered all the taxes associated with importing.

Oh yes... I have to agree.. everything about this sale smells bad..

1) Boat not in the location where it is claimed to be
2) Title in someone else's name besides seller
3) Request for immediate wire transfer..

it may not be a scam per se, but there's definitely some sketchy stuff here for sure.

As an aside, while I know probably many people have done it successfully, I think buying a boat from eBay is a really bad idea unless a) you have a ton of money and don't care, b) the cost of the boat is so marginal that it doesn't matter... By their nature, eBay sales usually require money from the buyer as soon as the auction is closed; a fertile breeding ground for scams. Being required to turn over a decent amount of money to a person you've never met for a boat you've never seen just seems foolish... to me at least...

Weak...if you expect to be taken seriously on this forum you need to present facts and not garbage.

While my last two boats were bought without me physically inspecting, neither were from ebay...

Not making a judgement here..,that's just not something I could ever see myself doing. I wouldn't drop over 100 grand on anything and not look at it, boat or otherwise..

Buying off E-Bay sight unseen is not that bad..... What's the worst, it has termites and you spend 4 years of your life working on a boat and spending more money on it than you paid for it........ Woops

I had a lot of communication with the sellers (in both deals). The first was with a reputable dealer that provided pics and videos of pretty much each component and at the price, even if it had been a basket case I could have rebuilt it and still been looking good. The second boat was from a guy on here, again, lots of pics and videos and communication.

Sounds like the seller of the Cig, mentioned here, doesn't communicate very well.....

I can tell you from experience that no bank would release funds if the title is not signed and notarized. How was that going to happen if the person selling the boat was not even listed on the title???
I had a wife forge her dead husbands name on the title on a boat I was going to buy and the bank caught it somehow, they then informed me that in no way shape or form would they do any business with the lady involved and if I wanted the boat that I would need to get financing somewhere else.

yes it would.. no duty applied

For what it's worth -- I've been on the boat with Duffy and Kirstie, while they owned it -- not the new owner that hasn't changed the ownership....

The boat runs out very well with the power and set up -- Duffy put a lot of money, sweat and time into that boat -- it's a shame that this guy is trying to pull this scam with this boat...

You should tell Duffy about this thread. If the the guy that has possession of the boat hurts or kills someone, the lawyers could very well go after Duffy because the boat is still titled to him. I don't even see how he could finance or get insurance without the boat being in his name. Regardless, I think Duffy has some unwanted exposure here because of this guy....

Still not convinced he is trying to pull a "Scam", I think the guy is just a jerk.

To me a scam is someone that doesn't even have possession, trying to get money for something that doesn't exist. I believe this guy wants to sell the boat, and was most likely a cash buyer.

Don't expect everyone to know how lengthy and detailed a boat sale has to be when a bank is involved. Sounds to me that the seller was probably a cash buyer, so him obtaining the boat most likely went clean and smooth. I can't imagine the hoops you would have to jump through for a bank on a 30 year old performance boat. This was not a classified ad, but an auction.

Again.....devils advocate, just thinking out loud :D I don't think the seller is handling business well, but I also have not seen proof that he is in Kerplakistan sitting on a camel with a mac book either.

The guy has some impressive, high dollar item feedback as a seller. Porsche Carrera S, Hummer H1, and Eliminator Boat.

You can't honestly believe that can you? So you are telling me it is the responsibility of the SELLER to insure that the sold product is registered, insured and title has changed names? And the boat is in the different country! Proof of sale on Duffy's part would make him free and clear, there isn't a court in America that would take that case. Come on

Should I check on everything I have sold in the past to make sure the title is not in my name anymore? And how would one go about doing that? We should all get to work on this crisis immediately

Definition of SCAM: A dishonest way to make money by deceiving people

Going by the definition, it is a scam in regards to his self-admitted dishonesty in regards to the location of the boat. Also, it is technically illegal to sell an item with an "open title". How would that bill of sale go? There is no reason whatsoever for the seller to not have the boat titled in his name and to correctly identify its location.

Again, sounds like the seller has a boat to sell, just didn't like the terms of the last buyer. He has perfect feed back on high dollar items. And still, we only know half the story.

This is a direct cut from the ad

"THE ENGINES HAVE 100 HOURS, WITH BLOWERS 5 POUNDS BOOST, THE CABIN IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION,EXTRA CLEAN BOAT!!! (LOWER RESERVE!!!!!GOOD LUCK!!

(If you are waiting for a loan to purchase the Boat, Don't BiD, make sure you have the money Before!! Don't do like the last Bitter, That's why the Boat is Relisted again!!)

DON'T WASTE MY TIME!! THANK YOU!!"

Who bids on something like this, with a phone number in the ad, without calling before bidding? All of this should have took place before hand. The "buyer" is not without fault. Would you go to a local auction, win a bid, then call them a week later and ask for assistance with the loan? Its august, dude wants to sell his boat while he still can.

FYI -- Duffy is aware of this thread -- he told me about it...

He has a signed bill of sale and the money in the bank for a while now -- don't think a lawyer could go after him for anything.

It is none of my business -- but I don't believe it was a smooth transaction in dealing with this particular character when Duffy sold either -- might just be his nature...he should still title the boat and list it properly.

Dave

I wonder if the seller has some kind of dealer license that allows him to not have to transfer registration? I would think it should still have to get transferred though -- anyone know how that works in Quebec -- where everything is a little bit different btw....

I bought a Jaguar off of ebay and did exactly what the buyer here did. I was pre-approved on a loan. Once I won the auction, I verified he had a clean title and got a signed purchase agreement. Went to the bank, they cut a check to the guy, I bought the car..... It's a common practice with items over 10k. If you read the buyers initial complaint, you can see how this turned south, fast. The boat was misrepresented and the seller does not have the title in his name.

I'll say quebec, but probably whole canada. if the boat is already canadian titled, I can sell it to a buyer (wich I did yesterday in fact with my maxum 3000 !!! :) :) :) )
you fill in some paper as seller, give it to buyer to sign, then send it by mail in Halifax nova scotia, in order to get the title in your name, then receive it like 3 to 4 weeks later.

I personally, if I buy cash a canadian boat, can keep the old title from seller under his name, and I know many run not insured, so easy to keep title to old owner and not have problem with insurance since they don't insure.

you want to insure it? the title is only printed on a 8 1/2 x 11 piece of regular paper, so you can easyly change it in house with new owner name on it, give it to insurance, while in reality title has not been changed!

and by the way I asked this seller how he could insure the boat since he did not have a survey of maximum 5 years old and... the boat is not insured!

don't agree with this, I always insure my toys, but many many run uninsured, trust me! of course non financed boats...

Easy there big fellow, I understand it sounds insane, but I also think it's insane that a person can spill a hot cup of coffee on themselves and get paid millions for it. I wouldn't go around worrying about it, but if I got wind that a boat I sold a year ago was still titled to me, I'd probably send a nice polite message to him and ask that he tranfer the title to his name.

This is my last post on this thread, as I think it's starting to go off on wild tangents. We can do what-ifs and how-abouts and what the hell ever else, but there are a few simple facts that are undisputed.

1. The boat is listed as being in Florida, but is actually in a foreign country.
2. The boat is not titled to the seller

Those items raise red flags. All that anyone asks for is honesty. When tens of thousands of dollars are on the table, honesty is required. The listing should clearly state the location of the boat and the fact that it's titled in another party's name. Those items are very important and very relevant. At this point it really doesn't matter if the buyer was or was not able to purchase the boat, this discrepancies needed to be addressed, and he had every right to back out.

There are a few reasons I can think of to not title something in your name:
1. There is something wrong/incorrect with the title
2. You can't afford the tax (and therefore shouldn't have the d*mn thing anyway)
3. You are too cheap and want to cheat fees as much as possible (I read that as not trustworthy)
4. You're hiding assets or purchased it with ill-gotten funds

We are all big boys here. We all know how things are supposed to be and what is right. If the seller had all his ducks in a row, I would be on his side.

Gentlemen, we should only show support to sellers that have everything in line and represented correctly. I, for one, would not want win an auction only to find out I had to find my passport, cross a border, accept an open title that is dated god-knows when, and have a bill of sale that is technically invalid here in the US due to the seller not matching the owner listed on the title. Let's work on raising the bar on integrity instead of going back and forth about a situation that a little honesty and integrity would have prevented.

I did... with 10 minutes left in the auction. Going on the word that the boat is as described and the assumption that the seller has clean paperwork. Then comes the runaround on his part. No paperwork for 3 days by the way. So if he is in a rush then it is his own fault. This deal would have been done. I tried to work it out with him. Whether you think he is a scammer or just a douche doesn't matter. The whole point of this post was to be sure someone looking at the boat knew what they were dealing with.
He has a feedback of 7...7! With 3 things sold. That's impressive? But there is no way to fake any of that. Were you also impressed with his post on here? I found it very informative and intelligent.
And your still his #1 fan here..... I'm thinking you know him.

That is exactly the situation. I'm not sure of rest of Canada but in Quebec when a boat sale takes place between 2 private individuals, there is no tax to pay. The broker could take a commission from the seller and there are taxes on the broker fees only. So many dealers / brokers advertise, detail, and handle all aspects of the transaction without title being in their name. If the guy had the boat titled in his company name or as a dealer the buyer would be stuck paying taxes on the full sale amount.
I don't know the seller and I don't know the buyer, but it just seems like a whole lot of miscommunication followed by a ****load of pontification. You guys should really give it a rest and get back to work so you can take the weekend off and go boating.

Nothing I've read explains why the boats advertised location is Florida... when it is really in Canada? Did I miss that explanation?

Nope, you didn't miss it. The seller came on here, blasted the OP and never really clarified anything.