IMO Seller needs to pay for shipping as item was misrepresented.

next time learn to use your words a little better and you wont have this issue.

Just refund the buyer (shipping as well) and move on already!
Ypu mistepresented the item!
man up!

You nailed it. Flippers. In about the same league as scrappers. Now look, viper isn't going to get any refund at all because he posted this. Now you can stiff him completely which is what you wanted all along, just needed the excuse to rationalize it. Seems like an honest seller when informed of a glaring error would have apologized and offered a full refund if the buyer no longer wanted the item. Not you though, you go into defense mode. Lets see- not my fault because the previous owner told me..., not my fault because I meant only used one year not 1 year old, not my fault because I'm not an expert, not my fault because buyer didn't specifically ask if the 1 year old carb was really 1 year old. Sounds like kidapache, is that your goal? If you'd do it with a carb you'd do it with an engine also and ruin someone's entire boating experience. You really said it's a good carb because it could be used on a 30 year old chevelle ? Really? I don't know what viper is building but I'll bet it isn't a 79 camaro. Of course back when you were so kind as to offer some of his money back for ripping him off he had to mail you the carb first so you'd now have all his money and the carb then you were 100% in the driver's seat. How about you send him a check covering the carb and the shipping then he can send the carb back? Didn't think so. Typical scum move that's been played out a dozen times here. Then telling takach not to speak his mind because you have dirt on him... Wtf

Swap shop lesson 1
When the very first words in the ad say " 1 year old" then the very first question you are required to ask is "is it 1 year old ?"

Swap shop lesson 2-
When the very first words in the ad are " one year old" and you've asked " is it one year old?" you must then verify the definition of 1 year old by asking the following:
Was it manufactured 1 year ago or did you get it in trade for a 950 because you thought it'd be easier to sell and it's probably 20 years old but it was only used last year so that makes it 1 year old and besides it will work on a 30 year old car so that makes it perfect for your boat type of 1 year old ?
English can be tricky at times.

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I hope you never plan to sell anything on OSO anymore. Everytime you post someone should link this thread that shows what a Piece of **** you are .

if i remember correctly the end of kidapache,s scamming career started right here in the beware section.

I doubt Endeavour set out with malicious intent to rip somebody off

He was probably told at some point it was a year old and never gave it a second thought.

Viper got it, actually researched it and found it wasnt.

Endeavour offered a refund sans shipping because he probably thought viper was tripping and it was a decent carb

It may have been a decent carb but it wasnt the carb viper thought he was buying.

Both sides got defensive and a stalemate ensued and here we are....

Because both sides took a stand over 12 bucks in shipping instead of saying sh!t happens.....

I wish fights with my ex were that simple...

Viper, send the man his carb, endeavor send viper his money, which ever one of you actually pays the damn 12 friggin bucks, send me your paypal address and I will send you 12 bucks....

Between the video ad complaints and the tit for tat crap, this place is like a damned soap opera

Don't worry his career hasn't ended,just on here.

that,s a nice gesture but endeavour32 already stated that because viper posted he would not recieve anything.

Phragle thank you for the offer. It is greatly appreciated. Once I post our email communication you will see why it was no longer about the money for me. I did not want to see this happen to someone on a much more expensive item. To the best of my knowledge I never became defensive in our communications. I simply asked for a full refund do to item not as represented in ad.

Not my Fault
 

I just figured out Endeavor32's identity, it's Hillary Clinton!!!!!

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When nobody agrees with you and more people come out of the woodwork with similiar story ( blame the previous seller) you`re probably (absolutely) wrong.
Where`s all these 200 satisfied buyers?

<crickets>

NO, my name is not Joe. The point I was trying to make is that I was completely mislead on what I was actually buying. Apparently as was the original poster of this thread about his purchase of a carburetor from you. If you buy something used, and rely strictly on the info you were given by the previous owner to re-sell it, then you should REPRESENT it in that manner. But for the record the heads I received could have been identified as well used from the moment anybody opened the boxes. Nowhere near the 45 mins runtime you claimed. I would have been far better off buying new heads, but took my chances buying a used set to save money. Like I said in one of my last messages to you-I just wish I would have asked you very particular questions about them, including if you were the one who actually used them... learned my lesson and have bought nothing from you since.

Having read the Swap Shop thread, and this whole debacle... endeavour32 should be ashamed of himself imo.... I can't imagine anyone buying anything from him after reading through this....

Does Walmart give you gas money for returning an item? I mean you drove home with it and had to drive back to the store.

apples & oranges my friend.... Amazon prime returns for free.....

Wal-Mart will send you a prepaid shipping label and will refund 100% of what you spent (including original shipping). They also have an early refund program that will refund your money before they even receive the item back. They generally don't resell 20 year old items because Kmart told them it was newer either. So where were you going with this?

Wal-mart what a joke. No one should be buying from there anyway. Hah... I completely understand what unlimited jd is getting at. I really hate to see this thread get out of hand and in a sense feel at fault. I recall when endeavour32 did the carb exchange and with looking at numerous carbs over the years I never questioned the build date or how old it was. Mike just said he did a trade and the carb was like a year old and I considered buying it for a build but forgot I had two others sittting on the shelf that came off 180 hr 525 sc engines.

Anyway when mike told me about the deal after selling the carb in question my advice just over conversation was to have the seller ship the carb back at his expense and when he received it to credit him for the purchase price. Mike was truly under the impression the carb was what he was told. My personal opinion when purchasing something used there is always some risk to buyer. Seller offering full refund less shipping I feel is fair however that's just me. To my knowledge even jegs does not pay shipping for returns. I would imagine they even have misrepresented parts sold from time to time also. Doubtful intentional though.

I didnt even want to involve myself with this but I've known mike a long time and would trust him with my life and hate to see him get bashed like this mostly from individuals that simply have it out for him. I'm sure we all at some point have misrepresented an item a accidently in one way or another. What could have been handled very quickly has come to two individuals locking horns like bucks in rut. At times in life we all take a stance and it is what it is and that's obviously what's going on here.

My post is no dig to Viper90 at all here. Maybe future purchases refunds and shipping or no shipping refunds should be discusssed prior to purchase. I've been in business for over 30 years and not everyone agrees on what's right or not. It's just a fact.

john,the add clearly states ONE YEAR OLD,that is what viper expected.the fix is simple,your buddy man,s up,admits he made a mistake and learns from it,instead he has dug himself a hole he can,t crawl out of.and then he tries to make me look dishonest,REALLY,how did that work for him?if he is your friend try and explain to him that his add was misleading and that he needs to make it right.can he really not see how wrong he is?some of his responses to this thread have clearly shown what he is made of.i now know that i have been right about him from the start.guys like him make oso members not want anything to do with the swap shop.for the record john,i have no issue with you,our transaction was the way they all should be.edit in,i don,t know about jegs but i buy a lot of parts from summit,one time i typed in the wrong part number so i got the wrong part,i called summit cust service and explained the mistake i made,they sent me the correct part out and they paid the return shipping on the part i ordered wrong,i now will be a summit customer for life.

I have bought from the guy and got my part. It must be the end of boating season a bunch of grumpy guys here. Send the guy his shipping back money and chalk it up as a lesson. It is amusing all the money spent on boat toys and someone worrying about shipping?? 12 bucks LOL

It's become matter of principal issue now.... I too, have bought from E32, no problem with the part, BUT I have also bought (2) BOATS from 90Viper, and he is one of the most honest, standup guys you will ever meet, and he is very principled individual.... Believe me, the $12 is not the issue, E32 doing the right thing here is......

if you page back to the start of this thread and reread it you will see that it is not so much about the 12 or 20 bucks for shipping,much more involved now.viper is a honest guy and some others are not,it,s about principal at this point.

Not just the principal either. Looks like two items have now been "accidentally" misrepresented. What's next a freshly rebuilt engine that's really not? One of vipers concerns seems to be making sure this doesn't happen again on a larger scale.

I got my lifters from walmart...... :party-smiley-004:

Im with you... i buy my 15-50 M1 full synthetic from Walmart. $22 for a 5qt container. Pretty sure 90% of OSO does too. Someone tell me anyone that can match that price!!!

I read the ad as a one year old carb, this is clear cut to me. Not sure why it's such a big friggin deal, this is one of the simplest corrections ever and should never have gotten to this point.

It does seem to be simple. Someone simply cares more about the money in his pocket than his ethics. Whether intentional or not, a product was misrepresented. If intentional, a lie was told for financial gain and thats why E32 doesnt care to make it right If an accident, say your sorry and make the buyer whole again.

It's got nothing to do with principles any more, it's sheer pig-headedness.

DO YOU REALLY SEE IT THAT WAY?if you do maybe you need to get the eyes checked!

Just having some fun but to a degree, yes.
The argument has weighed heavily against endeavour32 which may cost him future business. 90viper on the other hand is significantly out of pocket and stuck with something he doesn't want.

They've both had plenty of opportunity to pay the shipping (right or wrong) and clear one's name (E32) or recoup most of the loss (90V) but their principles won't let them. Someone should 'man-up' and end the fight. PHRAGLE, little bit toungue in cheek, offered to do it but nobody agreed so I guess endeavor 32 is stuck with a bad rap on OSO and 90viper is stuck with the old carby..

In my mind, that's pig headedness.

RR

Once again here guys, this carb was used for one season, it's the current model, there was nothing wrong with it, unless something happened in shipping. Which nothing was ever mentioned until this post started. What most of you fail to remember is I, OFFERED A REFUND! I also shipped this to him on my dime. Viper90 obviously doesn't like paying for shipping because he wouldn't pay for it when he bought the carb ether.

Why don't a few of you call Holley. This carb is obviously a 2008 after dealing with all the BS on it. Like I said before, there was a '99 SC900 for sale and it had the raised lip dominators on it, without the changeable air bleeds. That only leaves the carb to be a 2008, which when I got it I was told it was a year old. When I called Holley to confirm what Viper 90 told me, of which, none of it was true. I was told from the tech, after I gave him the model number, that it was 100% current. I even asked if I could run it on a twin carb application, next to a new one. The guy chuckled and said "yes".

This carb was not found on the bottom of the lake and sold as excellent condition, was the picture posted of a different carb? NO, did it need to be rebuilt, no. In fact, I'm pretty sure when I tore it down and inspected it, I changed all the jets back to stock. All viper had to do was box it up, pay for the shipping and he would have been refunded. However, he did not want to do that. Instead, he wanted to prove his point. Now I've raised he!! over some items in the past. Salt water engines sold as fresh, steering systems missing parts, items just thrown in a box with no packaging. Even with all of that, I've never started a post in the beware section.

As to the heads. When I bought them, I was told that they were just inspected and there was nothing wrong with them. Seller told me the only reason he was selling them is because he wanted larger heads for his new engines. I'm not going to spend the time to find the posts, but if I remember right there was a lengthily write up of his new boat having completely rebuilt engines that lasted 45 minutes before they blew. One of the heads was damaged in the process, of which I had Browoski here in Chicago repair, which was not the set Matt bought. The heads were clearly sold as rebuilt, and not new with little run time, nor was their any mention of how old the actual heads were.

Back to the carb, if Viper had just spent the $15 +/- to ship the carb back he would have been whole. In fact when all this started, I reached out to a couple of OSO friends and got their opinion on what to do in this situation. They all said, he should pay the shipping back. So for all of you saying I should do the right thing, I did! With all of Viper's ranting over this carb he has now ruined it's value. Why would I now, offer to buy it back, after he has gone on and on, in three different posts, on how it's old, outdated, and due to those two things, not worth using. He and his buddy's have made it a point to smear my name, in order to again prove a point. Again, it was used for a season, it's the current model, you paid 65% less than new, and got free shipping, how did I rip him off. I'm at a financial loss as it was on the carb, so there was no financial gain. In the end, he got a good deal, on a nice carb, end of story. If anyone wants to make more out if it than that, then go ahead.

As far as selling stuff on here. LOL, nothing sells on here anymore. The swap shop used to be a busy place, infact this site used to be a busy place, now you can list something and it it will be on the first page for 5 days, like most of this site. This place has gone from from the primary place I sell stuff to the last place I list stuff. I'm not the only one. When was the last time you saw Smokin Gun list something on here? Now I see why, sell enough stuff, and eventually you are going to get someone like Viper. Either way, the time for a refund has LONG past. My last e-mail to him was very clear, return the carb, pull your negative post, and you will be refunded, BUT he had to pay the shipping. Obviously he would rather complain and post; than be out shipping, and have a refund. Since my last e-mail to him, with that offer, there has been no communication. Only garbage posts like this. The choice was his, and he is the one that made it!!!! Make me out to be the bad guy all you want, at this point I could careless.

Good morning from abroad RR. For those that know me on here it is not about the money. As I stated before what if this was a big ticket item and could change a persons enjoyment of boating. It started with his emails which I will start posting. You will see why I felt this post on beware necessary

Did you ever think, "I should have asked a few more questions?"

Big ticket items. I've sold a few engines in the past few months, none from traffic on this site I might add. Every person asked smart questions. Was there a leak down test, compression test, serial number, maintenance records. All smart questions. All questions that I then got the answers for. There was no made up or vague answers. On the 600 SCs I had listed here, I quickly corrected the fact that they had new head gaskets after I posted they had not been opened up. I did not, delete the post and repost to hide anything. If you have a question, ask and I will answer, with an accurate or as accurate as I can answer. As a buyer, it is your responsibility to ask smart questions. If the buyer doesn't like that answer, they do not need to purchase the item. It's really that easy. If you were so concerned about the build date, why did you not ask what it was. Why don't you do a quick search on Holley build date. You will quickly find unlimited posts on the subject. Many going nowhere an listing confusing or conflicting information. From your first post about all of this, you also did not know how to read the build date, as you claimed it was a 1988. If you want to keep posting like a drama queen, go head, but posts like this are exactly why all of the big sellers are long gone from this site. Carry on, and I hope your posting makes you feel good!

Really??? Your ad said it all ONE YEAR OLD!!! Why would I need to ask anything else!!!! By the way ask DeVinchi or Nickerson. There has been changes since 1988,1998.

That's a $hitbag position to take E32.

This place is somewhat of a brotherhood. If a fellow boating brother bought something from me and wasn't happy, BECAUSE I MISREPRESENTED THE ITEM, I'd refund the man in full, including the 12 freakin dollars to
ship it. Come to think of it, that goes for any online deal, not just here.

The claim that you are indemnified because you sold something that you were ignorant about the true history / story on, and assumed the guy you bought it from gave you accurate info on it, is BS!

The onus to know what you are selling and represent items accurately is 100% on YOU! It's the buyers responsibility to read your add, trust the description is accurate and pay his bill. He's not responsible to play sleuth and ferret out the real condition and age of the item.

that just about says it all for me.... a seller who couldn't care less what his customers think of him.....

e32 has proven that he is not an honest seller,he posts untrue information about items he has for sale and when called out he has all kinds of excuses and blames the buyer to cover his lies,why oso continues to let this guy list items for sale is beyond me.what amazes me even more is why anybody would trust him after his true colors are shining through.the way he handled this situation tells a lot about his charector,or lack of!viper,maybe e32 is right,you should of asked how old the one year old carb is,what a crock of chit.

still completely irrelevant. you list the carb as "ONE YEAR OLD" NOT USED ONE YEAR. Which means what you listed it as and what it is are two different things. doesnt matter if its the same as a new one. its not the same as a new.