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whtnordic 06-01-2009 11:45 PM

Underwater Boat Lighting
 
What is the law for having underwater lighting while you drive - is it legal in Ca?

I saw a video with them on a Cig at night and thought it looked awesome but I didn't know if it was legal - anyone have any idea's?

happy hours 06-03-2009 08:25 PM

I have a friend that developed a LED underwater light and from what we have heard the white and green are OK when running. The blue is sorta grey area because it is same as FWC and water police. He put a do not run them while underway as CYA in his product.

Originally Posted by whtnordic (Post 2878196)
What is the law for having underwater lighting while you drive - is it legal in Ca?

I saw a video with them on a Cig at night and thought it looked awesome but I didn't know if it was legal - anyone have any idea's?


PhantomChaos 06-05-2009 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by whtnordic (Post 2878196)
What is the law for having underwater lighting while you drive - is it legal in Ca?

I saw a video with them on a Cig at night and thought it looked awesome but I didn't know if it was legal - anyone have any idea's?


I doubt there is a law about underwater lighting......why would there be?

Comanche3Six 06-05-2009 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2881505)
I doubt there is a law about underwater lighting......why would there be?

You may blind a submarine

indywhsle 06-05-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by whtnordic (Post 2878196)
What is the law for having underwater lighting while you drive - is it legal in Ca?

I saw a video with them on a Cig at night and thought it looked awesome but I didn't know if it was legal - anyone have any idea's?

If you get pulled over they should have a better reason than " I'm sorry, but I could see you in the dark".:drink:

hpy540 06-07-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by happy hours (Post 2880036)
I have a friend that developed a LED underwater light and from what we have heard the white and green are OK when running. The blue is sorta grey area because it is same as FWC and water police. He put a do not run them while underway as CYA in his product.

How much does he charge for his lights? you can pm me

happy hours 06-07-2009 03:06 PM

I cant PM (cheapie free membership here these days)

Shoot me an email and we can chat if you want.
mnealuf@yahoo

Shawn D 06-07-2009 10:46 PM

Has anyone seen any in Red yet?

PhantomChaos 06-08-2009 12:51 AM


Originally Posted by Shawn D (Post 2882939)
Has anyone seen any in Red yet?

red is the first color to get filtered by water......doens't make sense.

Orbit1000 06-08-2009 09:12 PM

Links yachtlights, aqualights, oceanled,aqualuma, oceanbright and wakemagic

http://www.wakemagic.com/images/images/Header2_01.jpg

Orbit1000 06-08-2009 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Shawn D (Post 2882939)
Has anyone seen any in Red yet?

Wake magic do red lights.

NoWake200 06-22-2009 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by indywhsle (Post 2881768)
If you get pulled over they should have a better reason than " I'm sorry, but I could see you in the dark".:drink:

I can understand your point.. but there is a very good reason for the our boat's lights and colors.

Boats and airplanes both have the same color positions and they are not for the looks of them but rather for the other pilot(s) looking at you and figuring out what way you're traveling. There are also similar laws in the trucking (and for even our autos) world when it comes to the "chicken" lights and their colors. They are not to having red forward facing lights and yellow rear facing unless it is a turn signal. With red and yellow being the only legal colors at night.

So, as I am sure there are no laws currently on the books but if extra lights become a problem or a collision happens then there will. They just passes a law in MO about the white docking lights... boats cannot run with them on. So that kind of blows "the more you can see the better" thought out of the water. My thoughts.... these lights are killer and I really like them and would like to get a set myself, but turn them on when coming into port or docking at the bar. But while underway, I really do not want to see a big glowing ball of blue/red/green/purple/(insert your color here...) lights at night and me having to try and figure out if it is coming at me or running with me.

Kept your safe and you'll keep others safe. :kiss:

show-n-go h2o 06-22-2009 09:52 AM

I agree with the law on not running docking lights, if you happen to be going to other way you can't see $hit, same concept as pointing a spotlight at another boat.

Brad Zastrow 06-22-2009 10:18 AM

There are very specific federal laws about lighting. I am very certain those underwater lights are not legal underway. It would not matter if they are underwater or over water if you can see them, they could confuse other boaters for navigation purposes. I have the Coast Guard Regulations book. It is lengthy and very clear about what is allowed. Size of the boat direction of the light and styles are all very exact.

Moving2Miami 07-12-2009 02:24 AM

Here is a cool YouTube Vid...They cahnge colors!
 
This is pretty cool....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXUfV7qUY7Q

gare 07-14-2009 12:21 PM

We all just run brown/tan lights on the Illinois River. Sure is hard to tell if you have a light out though.

454Rea$onS 07-15-2009 08:14 PM

just curious, but how do these lights mount to the boat? I really like the looks of the blue lights.

PhantomChaos 07-16-2009 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by 454Rea$onS (Post 2911133)
just curious, but how do these lights mount to the boat? I really like the looks of the blue lights.


Ya drill a hole! :D

454Rea$onS 07-19-2009 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2911863)
Ya drill a hole! :D

haha funny guy. So whats the best way to seal up the hole you drill?

indywhsle 07-19-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow (Post 2894048)
There are very specific federal laws about lighting. I am very certain those underwater lights are not legal underway. It would not matter if they are underwater or over water if you can see them, they could confuse other boaters for navigation purposes. I have the Coast Guard Regulations book. It is lengthy and very clear about what is allowed. Size of the boat direction of the light and styles are all very exact.

The only way these can confuse someone is if they are passing me.

PhantomChaos 07-20-2009 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by 454Rea$onS (Post 2913450)
So whats the best way to seal up the hole you drill?

Put a light in it!!! :D



Sorry! I only have experiance with OceanLED. Nearly everything comes with the kit.

454Rea$onS 07-20-2009 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2913575)
Put a light in it!!! :D



Sorry! I only have experiance with OceanLED. Nearly everything comes with the kit.

hahaha your full of funny!

seriously though ill check out oceanLED and buy a full kit instead of just lights. Thanks bud

PhantomChaos 07-21-2009 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 454Rea$onS (Post 2914174)
hahaha your full of funny!

seriously though ill check out oceanLED and buy a full kit instead of just lights. Thanks bud

Good luck!

Dock Holiday 07-21-2009 08:27 AM

Good thread guys. I am interested in these but only to use while docked. Do they need to be mounted below the water line?

PhantomChaos 07-21-2009 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Dock Holiday (Post 2914558)
Good thread guys. I am interested in these but only to use while docked. Do they need to be mounted below the water line?


Normally they mount below the water line just to cool them, bu the OceanLED can operate when running.....the non-LED types cannot both becuase they get too hot and the vibration of the boat kills the bulb life.

Dock Holiday 07-21-2009 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2914638)
Normally they mount below the water line just to cool them, bu the OceanLED can operate when running.....the non-LED types cannot both becuase they get too hot and the vibration of the boat kills the bulb life.

Thanks Nort

I actually answered my own question when I read a little farther.

jonyb 07-22-2009 09:27 PM

Here's a link to a thread from WakeWorld where a couple guys took all of the underwater lights and did a test. Very informative reading for anyone interested. They used the Abyss lite, OceanLED, and any other light on the market that was available.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/m...tml?1245477055

454Rea$onS 07-23-2009 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by jonyb (Post 2916107)
Here's a link to a thread from WakeWorld where a couple guys took all of the underwater lights and did a test. Very informative reading for anyone interested. They used the Abyss lite, OceanLED, and any other light on the market that was available.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/m...tml?1245477055

Very good info, thanks bro

happy hours 07-24-2009 12:19 PM

One of the lights tested is my friends comapny (ShadowCaster)
Not the cheapest, but nice lights.


Originally Posted by jonyb (Post 2916107)
Here's a link to a thread from WakeWorld where a couple guys took all of the underwater lights and did a test. Very informative reading for anyone interested. They used the Abyss lite, OceanLED, and any other light on the market that was available.

http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/m...tml?1245477055


jonyb 07-24-2009 09:35 PM

Shadow Casters look awesome!

AquaLeds 08-04-2009 02:04 PM

Aqua
 
Ruff in Here

Enforcer2 08-05-2009 08:22 AM

whats the site address and are there picts

AquaLeds 08-05-2009 03:36 PM

Made in USA
 
http://68.80.236.47/AG/images/aqummax20029.jpg

Enforcer2 08-06-2009 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=AquaLeds;2925752]www.AquaLeds.com

And I wish I was back in Miami to.

I had a shop in N.Miami on NE188st.. XtremMarine .
Now I make underwater Lights... big difference from Making HP motor mounts for Cigarette & Apache.. Drank alot of beers at Ft.Apache and then running my Sonic to bimini for a quick swim...the good old days that was a very busy street. :drink:

LOL .....how did you end up in Philly!!!! and .......please tell me your not a Steelers fan (there every where here:snide:)

If you ever come over to Ocean City MD......like 99.99% of the Pennsylvanians do you could use your lighting on my boat for advertisement!!

boatman22 08-06-2009 08:16 AM

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Taken with a phone...Lake Conroe is a dirty brown water lake....can't see you hand in the water...these are bright....

http://www.deepsee.com/12-led-on-hull-sealiter.html

Enforcer2 08-06-2009 12:40 PM

they are definetly bright....all have to check them out as well.

PhantomChaos 08-06-2009 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by AquaLeds (Post 2924746)
You can always get some pretty powerful underwater leds made in the USA and made from Brass no plastic and about 400% cheaper. through my company.

not spaming just tring to save you a $1000 or so


Sorry.....how bright could those really be? Usually.....you get what you pay for.

joew. 08-07-2009 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomChaos (Post 2927004)
Sorry.....how bright could those really be? Usually.....you get what you pay for.

I look forward to his response. I do not see why these units are priced so high and what makes the 1000.00 lights that much better then the 150.00 lights the aqualed has.

AquaLeds 08-07-2009 10:01 AM

Underwater Marine Lights Boats & Yachts Made In Usa
 
Ocean after year will say Sorry just send another $600

joew. 08-07-2009 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by AquaLeds (Post 2927213)
DeepSee's lights dont look that bright either and for how much??

I'll let you all in a trade secret.. all the LED light companies use the same LEDs there made by Philips and there calles Hi Flux.. they cost $2.95 each
http://68.80.236.47/sortjunk.jpg

All the companies use the same some mount them in molded plastic housing like OceanLEDS some mount them in Aluminum housings and I mount them in Brass.. so here is the break down $2.95 x 12 =$35 plus the cheap plastic housing[injection molding is cheap ] maybe tops $1.00 total is $36 and change the sell them for $600 each there is no way they got $550 in labor and assembly cost EACH... I sell mine for $129 each and still make a 200% profit..And I test Ocean's and wakemagic against mine there was no difference but the price.. we all get and use the same LEDs Nobody has their own SMD factory it all comes from China I buy em up like Ocean and WakeM by the sheet.

Just tring to save money for my fellow boater
BRASS IS FOR EVER Aluminum turns to white rust and Plastic well you know gets yellow and brittle.. your money oh I will rebuild your light for $20 for Life Ocean after year will say Sorry just send another $600


That is what I was thinking.


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