Originally Posted by thisistank

I love it when you get all rialed up about Cigarette. :D

Now don't kill the messanger here but this is what I was told from those in the know about factory support for SOME of the Cig race teams.

"Why would Cigarette give money to a team that does not win consistantly and does not have a solid racing (the team) history?"

Remember, I do believe they helped out somewhat when Phil raced the Rio Roses Cig.

Your other point about the Kilo boat I don't get. You have to at least give it to Skip for dumping endless coin into the kilo boat and attempt to go after the record. From what I heard, the boat would've done just fine if they would've padded the bottom. But that's not a Cigarette is it? So they could've padded the bottom and gone after it again and taken sh!t for changing the bottom of a one off boat to beat the record and basically not get credit for doing so since it wouldn't be a true Cigarette bottom, or they could just call it a day. They decided to go with second choice.

All in all though, it's like I said in the reply above. It's a shame they don't at least converse with the racers in thier boats. They don't have to poor money to them, but a little communication would be nice.

Originally Posted by Joe

...and it still ran 171.?????? MPH? Not bad for first timers~! :p

Originally Posted by Joe

It sounds like somebody reeeeeeally doesn't like Skip much! :eek: :p

Originally Posted by thisistank

My thing is, he hates Cig and Skip so much by he still owns a Cig. What gives?! :drink: :drink:

Originally Posted by thisistank

My thing is, he hates Cig and Skip so much by he still owns a Cig. What gives?! :drink: :drink:

Originally Posted by dhlaw

Actually, I love the brand and am a loyalist. My frustration is that the company has drifted from the roots of its greatness and become nothing more than a marketing tool for a car dealer. How can you put world champion and offshore legend on the side of the boat with a straight face?? My hope is that somewhere along the line somebody steps up and brings the heritage and performance back to the brand. I think that Skip could do it, as well as a few others they just are not interested.

Will I buy another Cig?? Wouldnt own anything else..... It wont be a current model because there is no benefit. I would rather have Philly refurb my 03 or any other TS that I own before spending all that loot with the factory. My next boat will be a 38 with #6's............

Originally Posted by pm203

Why do you keep bringing up the car dealer association? Because Skip used to own some auto dealerships? You keep mentioning it like its a bad thing. Kinda like how people talk about attorneys.:D
Anyhow, I think that Skip has done alot of good for Cigarette and has moved them in the right direction. While I do not agree with all of his decisions and practices, I firmly believe he has been an asset to Cigarette.

Originally Posted by BLee

Until racing becomes anything more than an afterthought, I see no reason for Cigarette to spend a dime. Powerboat racing has been ruined by greedy selfish individuals that have no care for the growth of the sport as opposed to their pocket books.

I do feel sorry for the racers that the organizations cannot generate the interest needed to get more factories to support them.

Originally Posted by BLee

Until racing becomes anything more than an afterthought, I see no reason for Cigarette to spend a dime. Powerboat racing has been ruined by greedy selfish individuals that have no care for the growth of the sport as opposed to their pocket books.

I do feel sorry for the racers that the organizations cannot generate the interest needed to get more factories to support them.

Originally Posted by BLee

I do feel sorry for the racers that the organizations cannot generate the interest needed to get more factories to support them.

Originally Posted by dtavdy (Post 1854554)

Just bought 2004 Gladiator with 525's and40hrs on it from Lipship.

Originally Posted by Oakley77 (Post 4749490)

any chance I can talk to you about this boat over the phone ?

Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4749505)

real old thread from 06

Originally Posted by Oakley77 (Post 4749508)

yeah the boats for sale again and I’ve head that boat flipped was hoping to confirm and find some pictures

Originally Posted by Oakley77 (Post 4749508)

yeah the boats for sale again and I’ve head that boat flipped was hoping to confirm and find some pictures

Originally Posted by Stuckonstupid (Post 4749539)

search gladiator lake Texoma.

Originally Posted by Stuckonstupid (Post 4749539)

search gladiator lake Texoma.

Originally Posted by HOSSMAN (Post 4749548)

I've hunted the elusive Gladiator for many years, there aren't many that haven't been bobbing like a cork. That said, most are all rebuilt and in great condition.

Originally Posted by Oakley77 (Post 4749593)

I’m ok with a boat that’s been fixed right but that’s hard to find as well and will never hold value compared to one that hasn’t been a bobber.
Just trying to clarify which ones are and aren’t and find pictures and post.

Originally Posted by Stuckonstupid (Post 4749598)

Are you looking for a gladiator that you can go out and enjoy or are you looking for a gladiator that you can flip for profit?

Originally Posted by Oakley77 (Post 4749593)

I’m ok with a boat that’s been fixed right but that’s hard to find as well and will never hold value compared to one that hasn’t been a bobber.
Just trying to clarify which ones are and aren’t and find pictures and post.

Originally Posted by Poker Face Xtreme (Post 4749640)

I’ll chime in. Mine has never been flipped, swamped, or sunk. Everything works great. Runs a solid 108mph and sexy as hell. Priced right for the market. Not trying to make top dollar, just honorIng the value of the limited-availability boat and not giving it away.

Happy to discuss it if you are willing to travel and see it.

Originally Posted by HOSSMAN (Post 4749548)

I've hunted the elusive Gladiator for many years, there aren't many that haven't been bobbing like a cork. That said, most are all rebuilt and in great condition.