Why so cheap?
 

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Doesn't have the BDSM nipple ring Gladiator Sex offender paint job! :D

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Its most likely priced low by it an former race boat and has been in multiple accidents.

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Huh? :drink:

I think it is an ex-race boat that has been in a few "incidents"...... :cool: :D

I would still(and may) jump on it. It's sweet ride, always been one of my favs.

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This Is DHlaw Old Boat. Was Their Any Issues When He Had It?

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Did it roll? This is the one that has the video pitching the drivers?

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I'm not sure about a roll. I actually think it's never been over, just pitched about everyone that has run it hard.

That being said, I almost bought it from D-Hlaw, and I might try to buy it again. It's a bad mofo if you give it respect. I don't plan to make too many hairpins with any of my pleasure boats..... :cool:

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It was the Team Virgin race boat.

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That's the Virgin Top Gun which is out in California. This is the Gladiator.

Everyone needs to back off the boat because Cash Bar needs to buy it!!! :D

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Bob has completely gone through that boat. It has a brand new interior that allows it to be driven from one side, stereo, back seat, etc. He did a really nice job. He also had the stock 500's redone by Innovation and turned up to 560hp. It probably has less that 20 hours total since Bob bought the boat. As for the history.... Tres had the boat built and ran it for half of the season in F2 which he and Todd won. The boat had never rolled but had spun at lake X, but that is to be expected in a new boat that is testing. Tres never spun that boat in a race. Boat was sold to Kevin King. He and Gil Lieber raced the boat in GLSCS and damn near got killed. Boat rolled and sunk in fresh water. Boat was returned to Martin Offshore and completely refurbed by Tres and was perfect. The boat was then sold to Dave Edelstein who raced the boat in OPA P3. Dave and Val had an incident in OPA but the boat did not sink it just broke off a drive and took on some water. No prob, Pro Roc took care of the issue and Dave ran the boat for many races without incident. I bought the boat from Dave and raced in 2 races resulting in a spin and partial roll in Marathon ejecting myself and BK1. That sucked. I traded the boat to Bob for the super V. Bob is a "no expense spared" kind of guy. I would not hesitate to buy that boat. It is one of the best balanced and fastest boats I have owned. It just needs to be respected in race speed turns, period. Tres had it figured out, Dave had it figured out, I didnt. Somebody is gonna get a awesome deal. Greg, you would be nuts to even delay one minute in calling Bob. That will get snapped up quick!!!

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For a 100K it is a good deal. I am seriously thinking about this boat because I can swing buying it before selling mine. If I did buy it, I would sign up for the Tres Martin school and let him show me that boat first hand.

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I am convinced that Tres is the only guy that can run this boat at race speed safely. At pleasure speeds this boat is just as safe as any other twin step.

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What makes this one more "sensitive" then others ???

Just curious ?

JM

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In 10-20yrs this will be a great boat w/ alot of race history.

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I'd run that b i t c h in a heartbeat. That is a heck of a deal and a great boat! I'd buy i if I wasn't building the 38!

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it was listed at 125k............ FOUR yrs ago... i was looking at it... has had upgrades though since

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That boat was never listed at $125k, when it was at Martin Offshore it was $199k, I bought it from Dave listed at $170k........

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4 years ago it would have been a brand new boat.

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tres had it... it had been raced and spun... drive ripped off.... looked at it when i was shopping for cigs... remember i didnt buy it and jackie told me to go f.... myself on a thread about me looking at this boat

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Is that a modern day human Trebuchet?

http://www.castlewales.com/trebucht.jpg

http://www.castlewales.com/trebucht.html

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The first pic on post 11 of the Virgin boat racing is great.....Look at how it stands out in a sea of all white, plain, boats that all look the same...except the cig! Classic. :cool:

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Wow! Good deal, if it was put back together and completely re-rigged properly (which I have no doubt that it was).

Someone's going to get an awesome boat (hopefully, it will be either either:
1) Mr. "It's Ms. Right Now.... not Ms. Right" aka Cash, or, as thedonzjr. says,
2) Mr. "Why do the women ALWAYS walk right past us and straight to you" aka Gordo!).

I know both of you guys have REALLY been lookin' for the "right" boat to buy!

No "fist to face" conversations Greg! :D

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I believe that boat to be the first Gladiator ever built.

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It was one of the first, hence the issues with spinning. Little learning curve :D

Hey Joe, Tims actually looking at it too to keep at Spinnaker and run to the Keys. :cool:

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I was shown photos of that boat when new. At that time, they were not sure how to lay out the dash and cockpit. Thus, I think that it was Gladiator #1.

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....Now that would be cool. But, where would Kelly keep her suitcase(s)! :eek: :eek: :eek:

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The re-do on the dash would be easy. Templates are already made.... Someone should REEEEEALLY jump on this at the price.

I'd LOL if it got bid-up! Now that would shut all the nay-sayers up re: Cig. resale - wouldn't it! haha.... :drink:

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When Tres raced the boat it was setup a little differantly. They ran arneson rocker plates with fins on the outboard edge to hold the thing in line. Great idea and it worked. Also knowing Tres he spent alot of time working on the bottom and testing props to get the boat to run his way. When Kevin King bought the boat I don'i think much of the trick parts went with it. This would have made a huge differance for the rest of the owner. Did they ask Tres for help? Or didn't he offer the information when selling. Who knows.

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The boat still had the arneson plates when I bought it as well as the wing plates.

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Weighing options......... :D :cool:

It is a STEAL for whoever gets it.

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Quit weighing...... :D

You won't find a nicer boat at that price. If I wasn't long on boats and short on cash, I'd have already made the deal.

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Seriously Greg, you need to stop dilly dallying and get busy!! Goddamn, how much better deal do you need???

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can i write a check for a hundy or will one of you let me borrow it..........lol just kidding wish i had it bad mofo

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Sank, Rolled, Raced, Bought ,Sold, Redone, Etc.. anyone ever hear of stress...it happens more on a boat than a US Air 737 Plane. At 100K I would be looking the other way... no offense but it is for sale at 100k because no one will give him 110k :D

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It's still BAD-A$$. I don't care what is has been through, apparently it can take it because it is not all busted up. If I had the cash right now I would jump on it for that price. I love boats with a history, just my .02

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cue fountain delamintion joke.....now :evilb: :evilb:

Just kidding, but really, yeah the boat has been run hard, put up wet, been under water, but the damage is either there or not, if a boat goes under there is only lasting damage if the water penetrates into wood or foam coring, otherwise its not really a concern for the hull itself, and the rigging obviously has been gone through several times since then.

I've driven a boat that the decks were so worn they flexed when you walked on them, but the hull itself was solid as day 1. Sure it was beat the death and looked like hell, but structurally that meant nothing.

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Well, good luck to however buys it, Its one of my favorite cigs.......................... If I had the cash, well we all know how that goes. O well, at least when i am ready to buy, I will remember what it sold for...........
Jr.

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You are correct, but I JUST(and I mean just) made an offer on a house I can't pass up here in S. Fla when this thing popped up for sale.... :(

I should have an answer asap, if they decline I may be living in a truck pulling a Gladiator around. :eek: :drink:

At least that way I KNOW I will never be married. :evilb:

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There's a reason why you sold your Fountain and are looking for a Gun, Same reason this boat is fine even after all of that....

IT'S A CIGARETTE!!


:cool:

Really though, someone explain to me why this boat (run hard, raced, rolled, sunk, etc.) is any different than someone who's run their boat just as hard?

I understand racing takes it's toll on a boat but is there something that a suvey can't find on a race boat that it could find on a regular boat? Wet transom? cracked stringers? stress cracks? First off, all of that can be repaired (just like new) and probably happens on many of the boats that are sold that ARENT race boats. So this boats history is known, I don't think it changes it any from any other comparable Glad on the market. The only reason it sells for less is because people use it's history as a tool to lower the price. Right or wrong.

But I know this, if I was in the market for a new boat I wouldn't pass on this one due to it's history. I'd get a survey and find out if anything major is wrong and then jump on it. At least you know what to look for with an ex raced boat with a known history. You buy some ya-hoo's boat off the market you have no idea of the history except the survey.

Just my .02.