If you owned a Cig you would understand....:rolleyes:

What like a Sunsation?? I think not. There's a reason a number one is on the side of the boat. A Cigarette is what all others are compared to. Running in ruff water this past weekend makes me proud to run a Cig!!

Great pics! :cool-smiley-027:

No I didn't mention Sunsation but OL and others are moving forward in their product lines and Cigarette is still resting on their brand name. Cigarette has the best name brand in the industry but much like Ferrari in the late 70's/ early 80's they are resting on their laurels while the competition makes advances.

Skip is a great marketer/ T-shirt salesman but is certainly not a boat builder/racer/designer. Turkish built cruisers, Skater built one off boats/kilo boats and bad concept boats are not going to advance the brand.

I have met several people that made the switch from the #1 brand to Outerlimits and couldn't believe the difference. One friend of mine was looking to replace his 96 TG and couldn't believe the boat was almost identical to a new 2005. He felt the twin step was just not a big enough difference, the interior/dash was dated. He bought a 39 OL and has since bought two more.

Cigarette #1 brand name
Fountain #1 race winner
OL Nicest cosmetics/interior/ exclusive marque.

I think Cigarette needs to focus on Gladiator type boats/ Maximus type boats or bring their line up to date to carve out their niche and stay on top. The speed boat market is where they need to focus. Who would pay 8-900K for a Rough Rider with no ac/generator and a $hittter box in the middle of the cabin?

If Harley made scooters and bicyles or Ferrari made station wagons and school buses wouldn't you agree that it dilutes their brand image and it is the wrong direction for the company? Now factor in Chinese labor building Harley scooters or Turkish labor building Ferrari school buses and it would further confuse the American #1 Offshore Powerboat legend made by someone else...............

Not bashing the boats but I am questioning why they are straying from their heritage and not giving the competition a better challenge.

You really don't know what you are talking about. It is common knowledge the OL lags behind Cig in several areas inc cosmetics , fit and finish and rigging.

Really? http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ght=46+limited

Your quote:
Wow! There is alot of Cig bashing going on here. Cig needs this and Cig needs to step up to that. Ol and Cig both produce beautiful boats. There is no doubt about that. Without getting into specifics, Cig is ahead in some areas and Ol is ahead in other areas. Its all personal opinion and what you like. I certainly will consider Ol when making my next purchase........................

That's exactly right. Like I said, they are both nice boats. However, it gets a little old with everybody having nothing but praise for OL and continuous bashing of Cig. Ol is not the second coming. They still have a ways to go. Cig still builds a better overall boat but lacks in amenities. What I can agree with you on is the fact that I would like to see Cig build a boat with some more creature comforts, lighter layup and faster hull . But if they built that, why would you need OL?:D

P.S. And as far as the thread on the 46? I agree. But,...I still think a 39 Gun w/700,s is a better boat than a 39 Quattro.(IMO of course, and I like the Quattro.)

We are on the same page PM203, just a couple sentences apart! :D If I can buy the right boat at the right price I am going to buy a TS TG.

Your last boat is one of my favorite TG's!

Yeah, that F2 was the catz azz :D