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omerta one 03-28-2008 10:00 AM

Cig 20 w/Surface Drive
 
Due to the limited availablility of the Blackhawk drive...do you think an Arneson would work? Anyone tried this?

Airpacker 03-28-2008 10:57 AM

Theres lots of BH drives around. Just gotta look for them.

Props on the other hand can be tough.

cigracing1 03-28-2008 11:27 AM

Why not the Bravo XR ITS Sportmaster setup? Or are you doing lots of HP?

omerta one 03-28-2008 12:58 PM

The counter rotating props on the BH is what makes it ideal...it currently has a Bravo 3. With a single prop and big HP I understand the boat wants to torque over.

Wild 03-28-2008 01:16 PM

I like where you are going with this

http://www.arneson-industries.com/pa...ravoConversion

Wild 03-28-2008 01:18 PM

Phil is going to **** himself, can i listen in on the phone when you call him

omerta one 03-28-2008 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Wild (Post 2503455)
Phil is going to **** himself, can i listen in on the phone when you call him

Ha! I already sent him an e-mail about it...haven't heard back yet.

Wonder of Arneson can do a Bravo 3 conversion?

Croozin2 03-28-2008 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 2503519)
Ha! I already sent him an e-mail about it...haven't heard back yet.

Wonder of Arneson can do a Bravo 3 conversion?

I'm sure with "Surface Drive" in the thread title, Ric will be answering you in 3.....2......1........:D

ktron 03-28-2008 03:48 PM

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You could do a arneson conversion but the X-Dim you currently are running with the B3 will have to be checked against what Arneson recommends. I spoke with a guy (GEOO) who had an ASD-6 on a Donzi X-18 (pic attached) and it worked great. I remember the pics of it and the drive was mounted very close to the keel. So close in fact that the drain plug was moved to accomodate the drive. Keep in mind it did not have a standoff box like you guys are talking about. The bravo conversion kit (pic attached) is a cool idea but keep in mind that it will stick out extremely far off of the transom.

Omerta One, your 20 is killer! just bump up the power a little bit and run the B3. It is a very nice ride.

stecz20 03-28-2008 03:56 PM

very interesting... it is worth to have just to hose peeps down with the rooster tail......

offshoredrillin 03-28-2008 04:09 PM

We will find you one, I'm shaking trees daily.

omerta one 03-28-2008 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by stecz20 (Post 2503607)
very interesting... it is worth to have just to hose peeps down with the rooster tail......

peeps? You mean those E dock guys...wouldn't that start some sh*t.

omerta one 03-28-2008 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by ktron (Post 2503597)
You could do a arneson conversion but the X-Dim you currently are running with the B3 will have to be checked against what Arneson recommends. I spoke with a guy (GEOO) who had an ASD-6 on a Donzi X-18 (pic attached) and it worked great. I remember the pics of it and the drive was mounted very close to the keel. So close in fact that the drain plug was moved to accomodate the drive. Keep in mind it did not have a standoff box like you guys are talking about. The bravo conversion kit (pic attached) is a cool idea but keep in mind that it will stick out extremely far off of the transom.

Omerta One, your 20 is killer! just bump up the power a little bit and run the B3. It is a very nice ride.

I was under the impression that the Bravo III's were to low, thus the Blackhawk???

I have the same issue with my bass boat...when the engine is too low the bow starts walkin' at 70. I think the bass boat may actually be 1-3 feet longer than the Cig.

Was thinking 500+ on the HP...

ktron 03-28-2008 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 2503638)
I was under the impression that the Bravo III's were to low, thus the Blackhawk???

I have the same issue with my bass boat...when the engine is too low the bow starts walkin' at 70. I think the bass boat may actually be 1-3 feet longer than the Cig.

Was thinking 500+ on the HP...

I guess the question is.... How fast do you want to go? If you want to run 80. You can set it up with a B1 Shortie and bump your HP and you will run fine. If the drive is too low you can put an IMCO 2" rise standoff box on to get it up. Not sure what your current setup is so just guessing but there are a lot of options.

pm203 03-28-2008 09:23 PM

Omerta,

Any photos of the 20??

Tom A. 03-28-2008 10:21 PM

The guy who built the 18 Donzi was George Desmond. That boat wan like a raped ape! Here is a link to the build of that boat.

http://www.donzi.net/tech/DonziArneson.htm

Dino 03-29-2008 06:04 AM

Philly's head might have exploded, thats way he has not called you back..........

offshoredrillin 03-29-2008 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by ktron (Post 2503700)
I guess the question is.... How fast do you want to go? If you want to run 80. You can set it up with a B1 Shortie and bump your HP and you will run fine. If the drive is too low you can put an IMCO 2" rise standoff box on to get it up. Not sure what your current setup is so just guessing but there are a lot of options.

thats what I was thinking too if we cant find one readily, I think Phils brother has an imco box on the red 20 but with a blackhawk. 2 inches and the shorty would help, but still wouldnt be counter rotating.

Wild 03-29-2008 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Dino (Post 2504122)
Philly's head might have exploded, thats way he has not called you back..........

I can hear him now " Just leave that thing alone and go have fun, quit f-n with it"

HA, that makes me laugh

Randy

pm203 03-29-2008 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Wild (Post 2504258)
I can hear him now " Just leave that thing alone and go have fun, quit f-n with it"



Randy

I have heard that myself on several occasions. :D

stecz20 03-29-2008 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 2503991)
The guy who built the 18 Donzi was George Desmond. That boat wan like a raped ape! Here is a link to the build of that boat.

http://www.donzi.net/tech/DonziArneson.htm

this is a non homosexual thread, please leave....:evilb::evilb:

stecz20 03-29-2008 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 2503630)
peeps? You mean those E dock guys...wouldn't that start some sh*t.

in this case, it would be fun to hose your buddies down....

i would love to see a video of this.... make it happen omerta...
:cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-011:

omerta one 03-29-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pm203 (Post 2503914)
Omerta,

Any photos of the 20??

Cig 20 Special Edition as published in Boating Magazine June 1995...I'd like to make it wicked fast.

pm203 03-29-2008 01:15 PM

I always liked that boat.

CigBoat 03-29-2008 04:10 PM

That 95 20 is for sale here in Cincy

Wild 03-29-2008 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by CigBoat (Post 2504593)
That 95 20 is for sale here in Cincy

no its not, Omerta owns it now, we are going to go pick it up soon

CigBoat 03-30-2008 10:00 AM

Oh I missed that
Good Luck it is a sweet boat

Croozin2 03-30-2008 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Wild (Post 2504258)
I can hear him now " Just leave that thing alone and go have fun, quit f-n with it"

HA, that makes me laugh

Randy

Heard that line myself!!!

Funny, the king of tweaking Cigs recommends not f-ing with it!!!:D:D

ITLLFLI 03-30-2008 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Wild (Post 2504652)
no its not, Omerta owns it now, we are going to go pick it up soon

Lets grab a beer if you have time?

FASTTIMES 04-01-2008 12:34 PM

MPP stated he has 3 new blackhawks forsale

"If anybody is looking for new Blackhawks , I have three new ones in the boxes 1.36 1.50 1.65 ratio .
mpp"

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