help, why wont it sell?
 

why wont it sell, what's the deal? help:hitfan:


http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o18923-en.html

It's a long time that TG is for sale !

A brooker tried also to sell me here in Italy

Boy I got to tell you thats a sweet rig and in my opinion is worth the money. But it seems that the boats with the TRS drives are the ones that move last. Just my .02

I agree completely. TRS boats just scare people. It's not neccesarily warrented, but a proven fact on the resale market. The state of the entire marine industry can't be helping either.

On the other side of the coin, there are some great bargains out there!!

It looks like a very clean boat and a fair price.

My suggestion... don't sell it! :eek:

Keep it until the economy turns around, and then sell it. In the meantime, enjoy it for another summer or two! :D

That boat is super clean and Roberts done a lot of upgrades to it. Someone will get a smokin deal on a turn key Top Gun for a great price! I agree though, the TRS's scare people because they haven't been in production for so long. It's totally unwarranted since theres still parts for them and will be for many years. Plus with the Konrad coversions there's always options. Someone could pick up this Gun throw a set of konrads on it and be sitting pretty!

I agree with Clay...Just use the focker until the economy turns, then you can sell it....Or list it in Europe. Cigs are selling like hotcakes over there!

That's very true. Anyone with experience with these TRS boats know they are the idea setup for early model Gun's. Super smooth shifting. The tranny's balance the hull nicely. Parts are very available, and Konrad is a phone call away with a replacement if needed.

I lost 2 drives in 7 years on my 92 Gun w/ TRS and that boat got ran a lot!

grimmy, what's w/ the purple trim? is that a white splash effect?
I think its a real nice boat... great buy.

Good point... does this have anything to do w/ the bravo boats having a tendancy to porpoise?

hyd steer? if not 65k firm....

the problem with "wait till the economy turns" is that gas aint getting any cheaper if the economy gets better and if u do wait and get more u will pay more for ur next boat

if ur lookin to up grade consider trading... 5-10k swing on sales tax
or let it go cheap and steal ur next boat... whats a 5k discount if u upgrade and "save" 20-30k on the next one

Yes. They eventually moved the bulkheads between 94-96 boats to try to remedy the porpose the Bravo's caused. When the Gun was originally designed TRS was the hot stuff.

That boat would have been mine - I just couldn't do the purple/pink... :party-smiley-004:

VERY clean Cig though!!!

the trim is a purple and wt. marblized and groved non-slip foam called "hydroturf" it's neat **** but can be removed just by pealing it off like a sticker.

My take from having shopped for Cigs of this vintage a year ago.

The only negatives that I think some people might see are the TRS Drives, the Lack of Hyd Str, and The color Scheme.

TRS made me a Little Nervous when I was shopping a year ago.
Hydraulic Steering was an upgrade that I really wanted, and is EXPENSIVE to install.
I LIKE the color scheme and spent a good amount of time looking at pictures of your boat. I am sure some people will say it is "too 90's", but I disagree with that, I think it is actually pretty timeless.


If your boat would have been priced there last year I would probably have called you and tried my best to make something work. Honestly - comparitively looking through the classifieds, you really have to wonder why you still haven't sold that boat. Good Luck

Eric

TRS drives, no hydraulic steering, outdated gauges. I would also consider powdercoating the shifters. I think if if it wasn't for the combination of no hydraulic steering AND TRS drives it would already be gone. Most buyers are willing to take some things on the chin, but to have to add hydraulic steering AND new outdrives.........thats a lot of dough. Hope that helps - good luck.

I would trade it on something if I were you. My opinion why it hasn't sold is it's potential buyer. The buyer is not going to be a cash buyer and the problem is the bank won't finance, also the buyer will be concerned about fuel prices and the boat will drink more fuel compared to a step hull. Someone with 60K would be further ahead to borrow a 100K and get a newer stepped hull boat. In the end the dollar to boating would be less. I would drop your price to 50K, and I think it may sell. Sorry to be harsh but I had an older 39 cig and it was a ***** to sell.

I sold my 1992 3 years ago and got only 65k w/ manning trailer. The boat had same grafix's, merc. 525's ,steering,ex cond.as yours looks it will take the rite person. Good Luck:cool-smiley-011:

I've been watching that boat for a while and wondering why it hasn't sold also. The only negative (perceived) is the TRS. I think the paint is timeless and it looks like cherry condition. Have faith, it's a fair price. Hopefully the buyer is looking this spring :)

I agree with what has already been said - except I happen to like TRS (heavy duty and proven)... the price point does seem to be just out of most poeple's cash game and difficult for financing given used boat etc.

One thing to consider is to take it out of Vegas area (I keep reading housing and economy is a real mess there and getting worse) and consign to quality broker physically in an area with hot boating season and negotiate on commission...

you could arguably raise price and pay fat commission that would get somebody motivated to hustle boat in right area...

I wondered why it hasnt sold either. It does look super clean. Good Luck!
Jr.

so who is that quality broker and how much do i sell for with a broker to cover the difference???:confused:

That boat it's already listed in Italy , the broker asked me in December 07 $150.000 more or less to have the boat here in Italy with the change of Flag included ($5000) and VAT payed .
It's not really the trouth...Cigs are not really hotcakes ...
Some rich boy or soccer players can buy a NEW Cig ..
Poeple here prefers Pershing , Riva , Ferretti and the most are Diesel .
The TG with the Cigar Smoking Child it's still for sale ! They started at € 120.000 = $ 188.000 and today they ASK € 80.000
= $125.000 , but...IF YOU PAY CASH ...the Cig it's yours for €70.000 = $ 109.000
I think in Italy it's easyer to sell a NEW boat (Cig market)

http://www.mondialbroker.com/boat.taf?B=160551

I agree w/ some points made here.
If a loan is hard to get, then that would be an issue.
And location... get it to the East Coast and it will sell fast.
It's much nicer than other 38s in that price range here.

On a side note, on an older heavy 38TG, i'd be more scared to have bravos than TRS. I KNOW there are plenty of TRS parts out there, and they will hold no prob behind this boat.
In a few years, its an easy swap to Konrads if desired.

Btw, how hard would it be to take the graphics off?
Or easier/better yet, paint silver over the pink? that made a big difference on the old pink flamingo boat.

I would recommend east coast in 1000 Islands area and I know 2 good brokers, 1 deals Formulas and Tiaras, the other deals Donzis and has his store on main drag where everybody coming and going would see it. There is the Alex Bay Poker Run in June and the biggest Poker Run out of nearby Kingston in Augustor.

The other are with more bucks and people is New Jersey shore area and you may want to consider Ocean City Maryland, again bucks and people.

I have been boating for about 20 years and only stumbled onto OSO recently when I was considering a used Cig Mistress...my point is guys with dough to drop are most likely not shopping online but want to buy from sight (with a test drive) and from a broker who will stand behind the sale.

An extremely successful mortgage broker pal has a theory...pay the highest commission possible and you will sell whatever you want quick! He listed his NJ shore house and told multiple brokers that he was not shopping commission but would gladly pay 10% to whoever sold his pad. Well it sold in less than 2 weeks and he rolled into a bigger and better pad that he wanted the following week...

Do the math and make a few calls...if you want the 1000 Island guys let me know and I will get you info.

id like to talk to him to see just what numbers we're talking about, i use the boat now but would give it to a broker if the numbers are right, thanks.

robert
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http://www.aqua-mania.com/ is the Donzi dealer - husband and wife who I spoke with is very nice and knowledgeable - they are on the main strip - great place to showcase boat

http://horizonmarine.us/ Chavesty is last name, I forget his first name, but grew up with his younger brother drinking beers and chasin girls. I looked at a few Formulas that were priced high as their owners would not offer less against Chavesty advice...they still look to be for sale.

Certainly worth a shot - maybe they can sell your boat to somebody interested in buying but unwilling to spend a couple hundred grand...

I used to clean that boat once a week for 5 Summers. The original owner NEVER took it out. It's real nice. You should spend a little and put white gauges in at least. Those TRS drives are tough as hell up to 700hp or so.

Brandon, that sounds a lot like work...Didn't think you did that!!:eek::grinser010:

i was gonna....then thought id cut him a break....

:party-smiley-004:

I really like that boat. Looks clean as hell! The steering kills it for me.

I like the trs. The steering and old style bolsters kill it other than that its an awesome boat.

I am a cash buyer looking for the right Cig. I have looked at this boat several times, but have had the same thoughts as posted above (TRS Drives, may last may not.... $16to$20k to replace with Konrads, No hydraulic steering $3-$4k'I think' and new gauges/dash refresh maybe $1500.00 conservatively) All that been said I am definitely interested for the right price.

I have PM'd you, thanks

the boat is clean and I guess with new power are the only things going for it in this market.

I sent lot of emails to you last year when the engines were out of it. Now it is again priced above the market. The good thing is you didn;t have to pay for the re power, so I don't see why you don't kep it now since you should have gotten lot of your investment back from the insurance company and now be sitting at a reasonable overall investment standpoint on the boat.

And what I mean by above the market is not that anything is wrong with your boat. it's just that there are a lot of bigger powered, better machaincally optioned boats out there for the same or less money. THere are just not many on OSO because they are allways advertised very high here.

Good luck though. I hope you do get what you want some day.

It's a pretty cool boat and doesn't seem like it's way over-priced.
Maybe it's the colors, maybe it's the drives.....
Everything sells at the right price. If it hasn't sold and it's been a long time- it's probably priced too high.

I wouldn't put any money into it just to sell, as you won't get it back.
I would use it for trade with a good broker - probably would do better in south florida.

Otherwise, just drop the price incrementally until someone bites.

The markets hurting on all boats over 7 years old...I don't personally think the boat is over priced or over market....70k for a Top Gun on a trailer with newer motors that's turn key!? Come on! You can't get much better than that.

TRS...blah, blah, blah...The straight bottomed T/G's were made for trannies...The TRS is a monster and nearly bullet proof. Yea, just like any hard core drive (I.E. 3, 3a, 5, 6, etc) it may be a little more to rebuild than a bravo but heres the thing...You most likely wont have to rebuild it!!! They are strong!

1500-3k for new gauges, get your local interior guy to upgrade the bolster for a couple g's, repaint for the colors for 5-10, etc. etc. etc....Whatever! If you're worried about dumping a few k into a 13-15 year old boat then you're in the wrong sport!

I have a better idea....Buy the f*ckin' thing and rock that b!tch for the next few years with out issue the way it is!

If you call "fair" priced 55-60k I'd say "blow me" and keep the f*cker....Good luck buying something this clean for 70k.

Ok, I'll step off my soap box.:D

Looks super clean...but the pruple marble stuff needs to go.
The dash and throttles are weak but a great project for the new owner.
TRS with that power is no big deal.
Good Luck.

this might be why... competition

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o14544-en.html


was at 85k and has been for sale for a few months

That boat has been for sale for 2 years now !!! Not a well kept boat

My guess why your boat has not sold is your location. The typical Top Gun buyer is on the east coast. If someone is interested, they've got to fly out and then there's the transportaion issue if purchased. It can ad close to 5k to the price. If you really want it gone, I'd suggest talking with Phil @ Lip Ship. From the pics, it looks clean enough to be worthy of his showroom and I could not imagine it lasting more than a month if it was located in South Florida.

I don't think financing is a problem at all. Key Bank will lend the $$ as long as the credit score can support the purchase.

Good luck, looks like a nice buy for someone!

Kurt