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Jammin' 06-08-2008 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 2584007)
I am a very unemotional buyer and able to move on without missing a beat.


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 2584016)
After the explosion he actually sent me an email to say that he is willing to lower the price (still not low enough). My reply was that "i'm sorry I am only able to finance a Bay Liner". Here the honest to God truth. If the guy didn't treat my surveyor like dirt and didn't explode, and insult me then I probable would have found a way to make it happen. This is one of those cases that the boat isn't worth dealing with the seller.

Actually, if you were unemotional, you wouldn't take it personally. You'd work out a price and buy the boat. It's the same as houses, the PO doesn't come with the title. Having said that, I might react the same way.

BDiggity 06-08-2008 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 2584019)
I don't think NADA means much at all. Surveyors have research on recently sold to compare just like realtors. Out of all the 31s sold the most expensive was a 91 (3 years newer) that sold for 55k and it took 2 years to sell.

if you are getting a loan, most lenders will look at the nada value & then lend 80-90% against that. it may not matter to the seller, but will to lender.

if this is the bullet on loto, there is a surveyor in osage beach that is accredited. he did our cafe & i think did a fair assessment of the boats value. it fell right in line w/ the nada value which our lender used.

rlj676 06-08-2008 09:54 PM

I'm pretty sure I know what boat you are talking about, and I believe it's been for sale for like 2 years.

Between these actions and the seller's post complaining about the surveyor expecting to sea trial, it looks like it's more than just the "bold" graphics keeping it from selling.:evilb:

But I guess the guy in Fl with the non-updated bullet for $79K is reinforcing his ideas on pricing.:Whatever:

yschmidt 06-09-2008 08:36 AM

I just purchased a '88 Bullet a in the last couple of months, and I can tell you that financing an older boat is a tough process. Most lenders saw the age and immediately said no. The survey I got was great, but the boat was in great condition, and I had a really good surveyor, that took the time to know the boat (owner was available). This was one of the hardest transactions I have done (bank/insurance), but the only thing that made it really go perfect was the owner. Steve H was AWESOME to deal with; throughout the process he was patient and went the extra mile to make sure we'd love it.

We got lucky, and I got the boat I really wanted.

big-boss 06-09-2008 02:05 PM

Ona-Mission
Bottom line is: You agreed on a price after negotiations right? If you could afford it then why did it take some surveyer (or your wife?) to tell you it was too much. The seller has a point I would be upset as well- you backed out of the negotiated price the deal. You suck!

rlj676 06-09-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by big-boss (Post 2584653)
Ona-Mission
Bottom line is: You agreed on a price after negotiations right? If you could afford it then why did it take some surveyer (or your wife?) to tell you it was too much. The seller has a point I would be upset as well- you backed out of the negotiated price the deal. You suck!

He never claimed the price was too high, and agreed it's a nice boat, and wanted to buy at that price.

He's offended by the attitude of the seller towards him for using credit to buy. It doesn't matter what you or I think it's worth if you are financing, the bank makes the call. Rather than try and work towards a solution, the seller says everyone financing a boat should be buying a bayliner. Yeah right, cuz people looking at 15 year old boats (or selling them) are generally cash buyers?:Whatever:

big-boss 06-09-2008 02:34 PM

rlj676,
Need to reread the first post. He agreed on a price then got the survey. Then tried to tell the seller that the survey would not support the loan he needed to get---SOO! Nothing wrong with financing - I think the issue is backing out of a deal.

Chris Sunkin 06-09-2008 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by big-boss (Post 2584653)
Ona-Mission...
You suck!

Nice. That'll earn you instant credibility and respect around here.

TexomaPowerboater 06-09-2008 02:42 PM

Yes I can believe he would say that. In my experience 90% of boatowners in the $50K+ range are *****s. I have had the same problems trying to finance an older restored boat, except the apache. The bank and surveyor all agree it was worth significantly more than the asking price..........and a nice little down payment doesn't hurt. IMO maybe not the best idea to do 100% financing on a boat........thus the bayliner comment. Heaven forbid you blow an engine and you will be upside down on the note.

Bib-boss makes an interesting point, but valid. He did back out of the deal. The buyer should have had financing in place before the survey. The seller has a right to be pissed.

rlj676 06-09-2008 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by big-boss (Post 2584687)
rlj676,
Need to reread the first post. He agreed on a price then got the survey. Then tried to tell the seller that the survey would not support the loan he needed to get---SOO! Nothing wrong with financing - I think the issue is backing out of a deal.

Nope, the problem is the financing won't be for the asking price. As in the survey says it's worth $40, but asking is $55 and bank will only loan $40, or 90% of $40. I believe he would have paid the price if survey would support the financing for the total price.

It is tough to finance older boats because of these types of issues.

We as boat people will value something more than the banks.


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