Anyone know this 38?
 

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...o25647-en.html

Seems like alot of boat for the $.
Nice hardware. :cool:

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.c...es/25647_1.jpg

But its still a 20 year old boat.

My opinion is if it were 12K less then were talkin

Ill bet will not sell for over 75K maybe not even 70K

If a boat is taken care of properly, then i wouldn't be worrying how old it is.
Its the same age as your baja.:rolleyes:

Lmfao :)

I love all the bottom feeders...."not cheap enough".:rolleyes:

My neighbor just sold his 94 Top Gun with carbed 500's and bravos for 80k. Boat went to the philipenes. Boat was super nice and ran perfect with 0 problems. It was listed a long time but finally sold for about 10k than he originally listed it for.

People that have the money and want to buy are buying. People that need to beg borrow and steal to scrape together enough to afford a "fire sale" keep waiting for the price to drop.

The saying always rings true: You get what you pay for!

The problem is that guys that have 20 year old Baja's now think they can a Cigarette just because the market is soft. The truth is they might be able to but like said already "you will get what you pay for". They will be buying an all original boat with no updates and a long list of things to do. Good luck!:evilb:

Why is that people who may not have as much disposable income as others to spend on a Cigarette be it old or new are referred to as "bottom feeders"? I have seen this twice in the last week or so in the Cig forums. Whether or not someone has the money to buy a boat doesn't make them a bottom feeder. I would think it only common sense to get the best deal and value possible for one's hard earned money.

Yes, it is true that many (if not most) of us have to borrow from the bank to have a boat, but we still enjoy our hobby as much as the guy who doesn't. I would bet MOST of the people on this board who own any Cig has lien on the title.

In the end, all of the boat values are market driven. A boat will sell for what the buyer is willing to pay. There are a lot of older Cigs available right now, and most of them have a pretty hefty price tag for boats that old. Whether it's too much, or not enough, I'm not the one to decide. I just take a little offense to the bottom feeder line as it seems anyone who may have to get a loan or flat can't buy a $75k to $100k used boat gets knocked here. Everyone has their own financial story and everyone has things they have to deal with. It doesn't make them bottom feeders.

Sorry for the rant on your thread Storm! :drink:

It's because those people are saying that our boats are not worth anything. When ever I here this stuff I always think to myself these are not the boats for you, they are hoping they will come down to their price level and in most cases it never happens.

To me, the bottom feeders are the ones (I wont say names) that continue to basically talk sh!t about others that are trying to sell their boats by saying "it's too much, over priced, not worth it" etc. The main problem with this is that these said people AREN'T EVEN INTERESTED IN THE BOAT. Just get on here and knock it.

Has nothing to do with getting a loan and I don't knock anyone that has a loan on their boat. Unless you're the one that can't afford the boat, can only qualify for 40k and keep coming on here talking sh!t to basically make yourself feel better that the market will get so soft you can afford the boat. To me, that's a bottom feeder.

And there is a negative connotaion with continually saying a boat(s) is over priced. You have a buyer and you have a seller. The sellers asking this price. The buyer keeps reading that it's too much on here and now believes it is just because someone esle cant' afford it.

Boats will sell and they'll sit. Makes no difference to me. Mines not for sale. But I'm not going to get on here and talk sh!t about someones price being too high. It's just f*cked up and doesn't look good. Basically a d!ck maneuvar to make negative comments about a boat someone has no stake in.

Well said!

I'm not in a position to knock anyone's boat, and wouldn't do it if I were. I think sometimes people want to inject an opinion just to be heard, and maybe they think a negative comment will carry more weight. As far as I'm concerned, I will typically keep my mouth shut on an asking price on anything shown on here unless it is just blatantly stupid. If I'm not buying, what the asking price is doesn't really concern me.

I'm not trying to jump on anyone, it's just that anytime someone questions the value of a boat for sale, the bottom feeder line comes out. I can't buy a $100k boat right now (damn wife in phd school forever!), so I guess I see that as directed in a general sense rather than at one person. No harm no foul!

Besides, I'll sell my 24 Superboat for $105K! That's not overpriced is it?:evilb::eek:

Don't you have a platinum plated engine room? :D


I've looked at other cigs for sale. Many older TGs from the late 80s are asking 70-75k and w/ TRS and 502s or the like.
I'm not saying 89k is a steal.
I'm sure the selling isn't expecting to get asking price... no one ever should... its an ASKING price.
I still haven't heard an answer to my op.
Ain't that some nice hardware? #5s, extension boxes, nice blower motors w/ stellings and CMI extras. Nothing like having spares. :cool:

You can say all day long 650-700hp is 15K.
I won't agree, and either will many in the know here agree.
I've been there done that.
There is alot more to HP, than just an engine.
With bigger HP, everything has to be upgraded.

Or you can skimp, and have a POS that aint right.

And in my humble opinion... this boats rigged right.

btw, only the 1st sentence is for you jayhawk. ;)

i agree, nothing wrong with this package and it seems it was done right.. nothing worng with #5s,still pleanty of parts around for them... i like the boat....

Not if you can get it for it....More power to you!!:drink::drink:

Well that, and the diamond/ruby encrusted valve covers & raw water pump. Gotta have the bling! :grinser010:

Alright, I won't take this any further off track!

Bottom Feeders!!!!! Bottom Feeders!!!! Bottom Feeders!!!! :)

I have to agree with Tank. People bashing are the real issue. Some really aren't in a position to buy the boats they complain are over priced.

I've tried to sell a boat on here in the past and found out one of the guys that wanted to buy it started bashing the boat in a thread just to weasel the price down. When I figured it out I upped the price 10K just to piss him off.

There may be a few good deals out there. You never really know until you get a survey or take a look for yourself. Some boats look realy good in pictures, only to find out they are complete junk in person. Or, they have a sketchy past.

I was tracking prices pretty good before I bought my boat. Just for kicks the other day I started pricing them again (not just on OSO) and really didn't see a huge drop in asking prices from a few years ago. At least in the range I was looking +/-100k. I wouldn't call 10k off of a 100k boat a fire sale. There is probably a reason the ones for sale a long time have not been sold. :) You also have to figure high end boats don't move fast anyway. Not to many people can drop 100k+/- on a hobby. Those of us that can are very fortunate. I for one, am also not to concerned about a 10-20% drop in price over a few years.

Lets be honest boats are not a good investment. However, Cigs hold there value better than just about any other brand. Moral of the story. Buy a cig in tough times and limit your losses. :)

Now, relating to the post.

That seems like a really good price for that hardware.
Survey, Survey, Survey!!!!!! It will be money well spent.

ive got that same boat ( color scheme ) 96 with late 502 mag mpi/bravos w/ new 12" color gps. 200 hrs on the motors , for 60 k. its in the carribean and will cost between 8-10 k to get it back to the usa. feel free to email me direct at [email protected]

It is the same age as my boat but the seller knew it was close to 20 yrs old when he sold it to me and the price reflected that.

It looks very nice if those pictures are current. I was always a fan of that paint sceme.

Imo, the only thing that seems 20yrs old on this boat is the fiberglass. And the hull is either bad or good.

Compared to what is out there...
This is a very nice, well rigged boat... if its as nice as pictured.

So you bought your boat for $4,000?

A bit more and it was in good condition. Where did you get 4K?

Here is my stance on all of this price thing. None of us know what any of these boats are selling for. We just have the perspective of 2 maybe 3 parties. The buyers and the sellers and maybe some that just want to be heard as was previously mentioned. Each group has thier motivation and the fact is that probably none of us know what the last 15 cigs SOLD for. We may know of one or 2 but that doesnt project an accurate picture of the market. So I dont care what some may think we are all just making speculations. I see it being that simple.

BTW I like buying a deprecitated well cared for boat. Yea its cool having a show room type boat but for me thats really pissin money away. I also dont always believe "you get what you pay for"

A 20yr old baja in mint condition is worth $8-10k in my book.
Good condition is $6k.
And in your book would be $4k.
A 20yr old 24pantera in good condition will bring $15-20k.
24pantera and 38cig are comparable in their own classes.

I agree you don't always get what you pay for.
I also think your figuring of pricing is off, since you think a good 650hp engine will run you $15k.

BTW, there are guys here that know what the cigs sell for.
No one is keeping track of the 20yr old bajas.

So you bought your boat for $4,000?

your killing me, I will be the first one to say I pissed off a TON of money on a new boat and it is a terrible waste of money. Having one of the best made and looking boats on the water is not for the average fair weather boater.

Agreed. Some people hesitate to list a boat here because of that.

Anyone one know what a new 38tg w/ merc1050s and 6s would run, $ wise?

not sure you can get a 38 with that power they want the big motors staggered for handling so you have to go to the 39 which i think is pretty well the same boat with a lot less room in the cockpit.

Thats fair.

But just one clairification. I said I know of an engine builder who will build me a 540 carbed 600 hp engine for about 15K. If thats not for you then OK just trying to help some one out who may be interested.

I am not one to tell anyone how or who or when to spend their money. But I also dont want to see someone get ripped off by spend too much when it could be avoided.

Does anyone remember the original question?

Ummmmm... no.

Oh wait.... anyone know this boat?

And I think the short answer is NO

I find it hard to believe no one knows this piece.

Good grief. Don't any of you phuckers know how to look through old threads???????????? It was on page three.
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http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189650

:Whatever:

Craig... thanks for point that thread out.
It's nice to hear opinions from more members in the know.

Drpete3... thanks for the pissin' match... it was fun. ;)

Wait, we are done? :party-smiley-004:

show us an advertised price on those engines...or have the builder come on here and talk about the build sheets. Must be long blocks only. Oh by the way you can also spread this joy in the Baja forum.

What?

LOL...
I'll tell you what... get back to me AFTER you have an engine built for you.
Experience speaks volumes.
I think that is what 4195 was basically getting at.
You can see that Wesco engines are more than $20k/ea.
And that does not include the headers on that boat.
Which could be 5k per engine.

Storm, I don't want to throw gas on the fire here, but I don't think $15k for a 600 - 650hp engine is out of line. I believe I could buy one in that range from a VERY reputable engine builder in our area that has built power for several high end boats on this board. The $15k would be not including headers of course. He may come on here a rebut what I've said, but with what I've seen in the past, I believe it to be very plausible.